How do we dumb Fallout down even more?

How do we dumb Fallout down even more?

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It's probably made as a joke, but in a VR game it makes sense to interact with other characters through head gestures.

the game is now an action movie with two disks, one for whiteknight story, and one for dickhead story. both have the same ending

We give it to Telltale games and rebrand it as an interactive movie.

>Tell me about button
What was this in for anyway?
All relevant questions were shown you through dialog choices.

Don't even have choices

>cherrypicking

we make it a generic linear shooter with the worst gunplay in history.

how is that cherrypicking, that isn't even the worst set of dialogue choices in FO4

Cherry pick the best examples of the lower games, pal. Otherwise stop pretending that you care.

I think its a problem more to do with limitations than dumbing down. If they went back to limited voice acting im sure they could make the chat system far more complex than ever before.
But that wont happen because people dont like to read

>LOVE BOOBS
>HATE BOOBS
>BOOBS?
>S H O W M E

this is a ridiculous excuse. bethesda is a big enough company, they can afford a lot of lines even with few voice actors.

better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it

the road was a great fucking movie

They made it so its less reading for normies who just wanna play the game and not read 10000 different stories

Is it really. I've been told otherwise.

How does it compare to the book?

>tfw too intelligent to enjoy voice acting
I read all day online. I want to read in my games too. Even a 10 year old can read faster than these characters try to talk.

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>tfw Fallout games will never again have dialogue options for retarded player characters

Thanks for making me sad.

not him but its a decent, if dry movie

the book is my all time favorite work of fiction

You've been saving this picture for just this moment, haven't you?

>using a mod to prove your point

Even the other two cherry picked options, the unmodded Fallout 4 one would still be the worst example.

Fallout 4 had it.

This reminds me of what I hate most about these current, simplified dialogue systems
>Sally forgot something
>"Tease" dialogue option
>"Ha, you fucking dumb bitch!"
>Sally hates you x1000

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havent read the book but the film is great,not the kind you rewatch each year or whatever but it definitely has an impact

Have you read the rest of his stuff?

I feel like I missed out on a bit of the impact of The Road though because I don't have a kid. I mean, obviously it's still fucking harrowing.

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>Fallout 4 had it
well yeah, the entire game was like you played a low int build

Playing fallout 4 on survival mode is great. Settlements and scavenging are actually useful now, and they even disabled console for my cheating ass.
Looking forward to unlocking vertibird flares this weekend.

>people don't like to read
Not that guy but I think that's a great "excuse". Saves them money and most people playing the game won't care except for real gamers and Fallout fans unfortunately.

Yeah.

ive read some of it. blood meridian is a classic. i need to reread the road. ive grown a lot as a person since i last read it and feel like it might hit me a lot harder now. /blog

I wish Ghouls still looked like half-decayed zombie skeletons. Not just bald people with crispy skin and a missing nose.

kys

What brought about this inclusion of the 'Be a total dickhead' dialogue option anyways?
Do people seriously choose it unironically?

I don't see why you would ever choose it.

>ENGINE
>LIMITATIONS

Well, it is a kids game. Kids like to be little monsters, they think edgy is funny. They're the people who watch Happy Tree Friends and Invader Zim

I don't know.
I mean it can be funny, but I don't see why anybody would play the game that way seriously

this

voice acting is nice for special moments after you've accomplished something big and want to just lay back, relax and celebrate your victory

I don't need every run of the mill merchant tell me about the weather

>Someone tried to out gunplay the flim flam zim zam, got BTFO and put behind bars for 20 to life

Best Timeline.

>Demonstrate game at E3
>Presenter asks the audience what dialogue choice they should pick
>Some dudebro at the front yells "THE BOTTOM ONE"
>"Lets fuck shit up pal!"
>Audience laughs, a few clap, a few more whistle approval

Absolutely based.
What always baffles me is that you probably wouldn't have to look that hard to find bad shootings of black people, but the ones that become a big deal are almost always a wannabe thug getting himself shot

I've got a few suggestions:

> Remove any customisation of weapons or armour

This just makes it too easy, to be able to make adjustments to your weapons and armour to reflect your playing style is so straght forward.We should all just run around in the same suit of power armour at end game and the same 3 best weapons.

> Bring back the karma system

It's much more complex and in-depth to have a karma system which works on 2 levels: good karma / bad karma. This whole thing of making it so that your actions in front of different people have varying effects on the game and how the world around you sees you is so much more simple and straight-forward.

> Have it so the map is all the same monotonous setting

Why have a varied map to travel around? With different settings and environments to work your way around, giving more variation in the game. It's obviously a mucy more mature, high brow game if everything is the same dull, brown environment.

> Make it so that enemies don't level up with you

Nothing says "challenge" more than just shitting over all the same enemies again and again with no increasing difficulty.

> Remove settlements

Settlements are so straight forward and make the game so much easier. The concept of setting up resources, man power, power, electricity, entertainment, harmony of each individual settlement, all the while ensuring it's defences are up enough to keep it safe, and also helping to attract new settlers really dumbed down the whole experience for me. It was much better without this. I much preferred it when we all walked round the exact same map with no variance or personal input to the environment around us.

Oh shit sorry, that was the earlier titles of Fallout.....

>it is a kids game
I mean, I do agree they dumbed it down a bit, but I wouldn't go that far.

>no voice acting, wall of text
>engaging... intelligent

>voice acting, phrases emphasizing what is being said aloud
>casual.... less intelligent

>Nothing says "challenge" more than just shitting over all the same enemies again and again with no increasing difficulty.
>He doesn't love the action equivalent of entering the Sunday Cup with a McLaren every week to run laps around Miatas and feel better about himself

I'd be happy with grunts, screams, sighs, the regular every day "I'm a live" type things from NPCs, and even just those lines of dialogue like "that should keep the powder gangers away" flavor things from NPCs you can't speak to
but having every NPC reply to you fully is just annoying. I know it's an option, but that option has made branching dialogue and quest paths not go as far since it's not feasible to have your actors go through every permutation that you would be able to write out
and F1/F2 did have voiced dialogue, but it wasn't everybody

It works in Alpha Protocol when all the options are 'Be a total dickhead'.

Blood Meridian is all kinds of interesting. I hope they don't make a shit movie of it though.

Also, most significantly:

> Make VATs freeze the entire combat again

It was much more challenging to be able to just freeze the entire game, versus any enemy whatsoever, to just flick through which enemies you wanted to headshot and with which weapons. Why they made it so that real time fighting was much more important, as opposed to just keep it 100% combat in VATs, I'll never know.....

FO4 is so dumbed down, I really hope they make FO5 like it was in NV or FO3...

I just picked up the book desu.
The ony fiction I've read recently is the Bosch novels, but after I finish the newest one I'll have to move on to something else, figure I should try McCarthy

>phrases emphasizing what is being said aloud
Okay I was with you until this
The options are TOO simplified. A simple 'Yes' can mean a whole bunch of things in Fallout 4, and while I can't think of a specific example, I do recall a lot of situations where what the option was and what my character said were completely different than my expectations.

>F4 is better because you get power armor in the first 30 minutes
wat

>It was much more challenging to be able to just freeze the entire game

?

VATS sucks. pausing to go into your pip and take 40 stims and a turbo sucks. I refuse to use vats or go into my pip at any time during combat and it makes it far more realistic and emergent

vats is shit in 4 anyway, at best you bank crit shots and use them for headshots a mile away. with your pistol. that magically travels that far.

I do to a degree, nuking a group of raiders with my Big Boy is incredibly satisfying, however it's obviously more challenging to have increasingly difficult enemies.

How that makes it more dumbed down is beyond me....

name a game with first person perspective combat that you like
and it can't be just ranged bow/gun

user, you dont know shit about obscure dialogue choices until you've played Tex Murphy Pandora Directive

And one wrong dialogue choice in that game is the difference between getting best girl and getting cucked by a fucking hologram.

Give it to Ken Levine

Dark Messiah

fallout 4 is fine desu

I'm not sure how that is related to this thread but Riddick had really good melee system with blocks, counters, and even rushing armed enemies to kill them with their own guns.

>Seven Years
Dev time was 3 years and some of that time was spent upgrading Todd's dinosaur engine.

The problem with new releases is they are developed by different groups of people, some of them have amazing ideas and concepts that make the game goty material, and some just manage to fuck the good parts up.

I enjoy Fallout 4, but the fuckwit responsible for the voiced protag, the level up system revamp and the abcd choices should be castrated, and the rest of the team should be whipped for the bug ridden unoptimized mess they released.

Yep, power armour played a much more important role in FO4, as opposed to just being an end game piece of armour (that basically you didn't even need by that point anyway). Standard enemies would also have power armour, such as raiders and super mutants also.

The power armour you get is low levelled, and requires fusion cores to run, which are rare items to be found in the early stages of the game.

Ignoring the fact that power armour is incredibly slow and cumbersome and requires you to take it back to a power armour station to repair it after you've taken a beating.

From having done multiple runs of the game,I can't fathom how anyone would possibly run the whole game with that same suit of power armour.

End game power armour and the various perks you can apply after having reached a much higher level, are what make the power armour much more satisfying and useful.

> inb4 but you can find fusion cores here, here and here early on.....

Yeah, if you resort to googling where to find very rare items in the early stages of the game then who are you complaining to about the difficulty.

Also, if you still find it too easy, try survival mode and then tell me it's a stroll in the park....

add back low intel/retard routes

Condemned

RNG WHEEL OF FORTUNE DIALOG CHOICE

GULAG FOR LOW CHR AND LK.

Tell me about questions were purely expositionary and provided no quests/loot/standing with character/etc. Its not the most smooth solution, but the basic idea is that those are pure lore dumps.

I can't understand the concept of NV or FO3 being less dumbed down than FO4 when the combat (taking into account Fallout 3, 4 and NV are essentially FPS games) is clearly much more challenging in FO4.

>Implying that the faces wouldn't be Pipboy's
>Implying they won't officially change the name to Pipboy to keep the fans from being confused.

>survival mode
aka "let's disable fast travel so people fucking hate survival mode and then we have an excuse to not put it in 5 because it was Obsidian's idea originally and FUCK anything they've contributed"

>liking something SO MUCH that you don't know the actual name and getting it tattood on your body

make a fallout game featuring the nu-male run of "Tales of" series and you see it being praised as GoATAy by NV fags.

This, It blew my mind back in the day when I played Oblivion and found that it was fully voiced pretty much 100%, but halfway through the game it gets tiring to wait for the characters to finish their lines. I'd rather have just some lines voiced rather than all.

Removing RPG elements

Wait...

If you actually liked the book (I think Cormac is self serving as fuck and only blood meridian reeeeeaaaaalllyyy holds up to acclaim) then the movie is aight

>less challenging =/= dumbed down
Removal of stats (guns, melee, etc) is dumbing down the game, dumbing down means removing features.

Dumbing down the RPG part. Now it's just a bad FPS instead of a bad FPS and RPG

>int 1 dialogue never ever again

Because challenge doesn't = quality.

Fallout 3 and NV weren't fps games. They were rpgs which used a first person perspective. FO4 is wasteland Far Cry. Skills are gone. Traits are gone. The main character has a defined origin and backstory from the beginning of the game. Dialogue is nerfed to shit.

The character building - the heart and soul of the franchise - has been reduced to "You levelled up. Put a point in a perk and fuck off"

It's not an RPG as much as it is an open world shooter. Like I said, it's Far Cry.

>GOTY

Wow you've proven that there's shitty examples from both old and new.

Don't ignore me you turbo nigger.
>Cherry pick the best examples of the lower games, pal. Otherwise stop pretending that you care.

>bethesda couldn't even make a lever action rifle that works

Those are the only fruits left on the tree.

the power armor in fo4 is completely pointless because unless you are a total shitlord at rpgs, you will NEVER find yourself in a situtation where power armor is essential

fo4 is insanely easy, not to mention the fact that you can kill an npc that drops almost every piece of the tier 3 combat armor very early in the game so you can basically be in power armor 24/7 but without any of the downsides

even if you are a mega retard and for some reason playing on the bullet sponge highest difficulty without getting the mod that changes it to be 300% damage recieved and 300% damage dealt instead, you can just abuse the incredibly broken sneak perks and use a sniper rifle/railgun etc. and do ridicoulous sneak headshot damage to the more difficult enemies

on my last playthrough i had maxed out all the sneak perks and silenced damage perk and had a silenced fully upgraded railgun with the 2 shots legendary mod and my sneak attack would one shot every single thing in the game, literally git gud

>Why does my heart go on beating
Why do these eyes of mine cry
Don't they know it's the end of the world
It ended when you said goodbye

...Fallout 3 looks better than 4.
How the fuck you make a sequel look wors-
>bethesda
oh right I forgot

>when you're tripping to hard on dat Pyscho

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no u

Daily reminder they couldn't even fucking program ladders properly.

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What the fuck
Just how many years have they been making games before this? Jesus h. christ how could you possibly NOT figure out ladders by now?

>i literally break the game why isn't it hard wth

interesting. I imagine you've taken down entire bandit camps before while in only leather huh

make obsidian make another fallout mod and sell it at full price

could be an engine issue, they're still using Gamebryo now, though modified
you don't use a new engine just for ladders

Pretty sad their mod that they scrapped together Ina few months is a massively better game than anything toddy boy could whip up

youtube.com/watch?v=yvGXCisAaR4

when did i say i broke the game..? i mentioned the mod because the current survival difficulty in fo4 is completely fucking retarded and the mod fixes it, i dont play with it

Just make it a CoD like shooter. Moreso than it already is.
>Bethesda removed all aspects of an RPG aside from where you out points into
>regardless of what you choose earlier on you still become a frontline stealth sniper
>no retard runs

>he can't cherrypick anything from Fallout 2 because it's flawless