What are the chances that he completely bankrupts Sony by hiring Hollywood actors?

What are the chances that he completely bankrupts Sony by hiring Hollywood actors?

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Nigga, are you even aware of how much Sony makes a year?

Sony is surviving despite Sony Pictures making blunder after blunder.
A game that is going to easily make it's money back on hype alone isn't going to sink it.

His passion for this sorta thing can be hella dumb and detrimental to projects. Kiefer Sutherland delivered one of the shittiest , blandest performances ever, and I'd wager he was very nicely paid for it anyway. It's no wonder that we got the shitstorm with Konami, Kojima was tossing money into a hole.

just like battleborn and no mans sky made its money back on hype alone?

If Sony Pictures can survive despite so many blunders than Sony Interactive Entertainment (pretty much their only division that makes money) can survive Kojima

literally name one person who was hyped for Battleborn

>Battleborn
>Hype

In what universe?

No Man's Sky almost certainly made money, despite the mass Steam refunds.

People were skeptical of Battleborn before it's release. No one was excited for it, outside of the forced attempts to drum up hype by Gearbox.

It's not like he's hiring Robert Downey Jr. or Tom Cruise, he's hiring TV C listers.

He's still trying to get Gosling

>Whenever Gosling appears in the game synthwave will play in the background

Hollywood insider here. When celebs do video games it's for side money and they don't make as much as a movie/television role. They voice a couple lines and have their likeness scanned. All in all it's a couple weeks of work for a easy $400-500 thousand.

>No Man's Sky almost certainly made money
There's no question it did. It had a four-man team for most of its development, increasing for a short period to sixteen members. By far, the largest part of the budget would have been the marketing.

>$400-500 thousand.
Do you think the actors announced as being part of the cast would really be worth that much?

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From Sony's point of view for Kojima's baby, especially that he's still riding a huge wave of positive PR?
Absolutely.

>despite the mass Steam refunds.
Those were a myth.

vg247.com/2016/08/30/steam-adds-a-notice-to-no-mans-sky-store-page-because-it-received-too-many-refund-requests/

None
Whatever he makes fans and critics will love. See: MGSV

Somewhere around that range. You have to remember that when actors do video games they do little to nothing. What video game studios are really paying for is their likeness.

What we should really be discussing are the chances that Sony Pictures bankrupts Sony by hiring Hollywood actors, along with Hollywood directors and Hollywood everything, paying out $50 million for marketing each one using premises like 'lady ghostbusters' and 'emoji movie.'

>fans
Not all of them, mind you.

> You have to remember that when actors do video games they do little to nothing.
I can imagine Sutherland doing little because his performance was so bland and lifeless, but can't voice acting be very difficult?

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At this point I feel like you could just take the guys from the console division and put them into Sony Pictures and they would do a better job of selecting which projects to throw money at.

Sutherland (and Reedus) would probably be paid more since they have to record more lines but it's not Hollywood tier income. I worked used to work fiance for a major studio (Lionsgate) and voice work is one of the lowest paying jobs for A list celebs.

*I used to work

As long sony creates shitty movies that kids will flock to like a FUCKING EMOJI MOVIE they will have enough money for their entertainment division

>Reedus
One of the most promising things about this whole project is him and Del Toro. You'd think that Del Toro would have seriously had already had enough of the video games he's a part of being cancelled, and that Reedus might not have wanted to go through the bullshit again after Silent Hills.
It's actually a pretty good sign that both still want to work with Kojima.

>Sutherland (and Reedus) would probably be paid more since they have to record more lines but it's not Hollywood tier income.
I heard that that's what Sutherland was charging, so I'm surprised it's so high for Madds and that other guy who's name I don't remember but who played the guy who got killed in The Fellowship of the Ring.

>Konami tells him to get the fuck to work and stop wasting time and money watching mad max for the 100th time
>he's the victim
Fame does things to people...

It was probably a really bad public relations move to treat him the way they did, but I can easily imagine how he would have mismanaged the project so badly that he in some way deserved it.

>I heard that that's what Sutherland was charging,
Meant to say I thought Sutherland was charging five hundred grand.

Madds must have a good agent or has some kind of deal to promote the game in interviews.

What the fuck is Battleborn.

Mads said in interviews he'll be doing all the mo-cap and voice acting for this game. As did norman. They are basically doing just as much work as a movie production. However, they also said it's passion project and that they wouldn't be getting much.

>One of the most promising things about this whole project is him and Del Toro.
Why? Reedus is a terrible actor who looks like an emo grampa.

I meant it more in a way that they both might actually be keen in the project, beyond just a paycheck.

Will Hayter make a comeback in Death Stranding?

I think he might, but it will probably be a small cameo if he does.

Did Kiefer ever go on a long talk about anything?

The most he ever did was short quips, grunts, and the classic repeating back what was just told to him in the form of a question.

Sony survived Ghostbusters flopping.
DS, on the other hand, will make more than twice it's budget on launch day, like MGSV.

But Sony makes shitty movies and they don't go bankrupt.

>Sony survived Ghostbusters flopping.
Did it flop? You can never tell thanks to (((Hollywood))) accounting.

Unless you are some indie studio, or the company is already about to die, you can't kill a company with one game.

He's normally too drunk to do long speeches.

It'll at least break even thanks to normies buying because of the actors (unless he does something retarded and spend as much as they did on GTAV)
Doubling the budget will rely on good reviews though

Nah. I'm pretty sure Kojima thought he was shit.

>I'm pretty sure Kojima thought he was shit.
Sure, that's why he used him for like 15 years.

Doubling the budget on launch day will happen because Kojima knows how to hype.

Given that Sony was seriously trying to make some Ghostbusters cinematic universe or some shit and those plans were quietly shelved post-release I think it's safe to assume that the answer is yes.
I think the director at one point also cited a direct figure the film needed to make to be a success and it didn't reach that.

>Doubling the budget will rely on good reviews though
It's a AAA game published by Sony.

Kojima's name sells more than sex.

I remember one of them saying in the interview that Kojima wanted to get rid of Hayter because he was a crappy actor and wanted to replace him with someone else from the get go but Konami pressed on keeping Hayter as he was cheap or something. I don't remember. Hayter is mad on Kojima anyways,

>Battleborn
No one was hyped for that game
>No mans sky
Yes

That's completely made up, go take your medication.
youtube.com/watch?v=dwDquO8TVf0

why would you hire actors for a video game?

Actually Hayter was the one that said it. It was in a yongyea video.

>Bankrupt Sony with one game usin Hollywood actors
You realize Sony funds dozens of actual movies each year, right?

>A game that is going to easily make it's money back on hype alone isn't going to sink it.
Yeah. A super hyped game never failed before...

It was $500 million, or he was going to "movie jail."

Hayter outright said that at the price he would have charged, they might as well have gotten Sutherland.

>Now that Hideo Kojima and Konami have split, Hayter was asked if he has any plans to team up with Kojima again and going by his response, it doesn’t seem likely. He said that he has “no particular love” for Kojima and doesn’t feel the need to work with him again.
>playstationlifestyle.net/2016/03/26/david-hayter-talks-metal-gear-solid-snake-debacle/

There's probably more on this but this is the first thing google returns

Considering the fact that his games have been profitable, not very likely.

If David Cage hasn't done it yet, how would Kojima when people actually like and buy Kojima's games?

You think Kojima has a scrapbook of Mads like Cage had for Page?

I think we can all agree love or hate Kojima or love or hate Sony, if Kojima bankrupted and destroyed Sony it would be a fantastic laugh riot everyone here could enjoy.

>that shirt
why didn't max give him the succ again?

I like the idea of kojima as a guy who just bankrupts any company he works for

Hayter going completely mental for being overlook for a dubbing job is the only good thing to come out of the Konami crash. I'd so great to see an egomaniac and his fans get destroyed. I hope the same happens to Crispin Freeman and Steve Blum during their 'strike'.

I kept on thinking that the whole Hayter thing was a ruse, but there was no fucking way that a grown man that (I assume) wants to keep his career would go on so many tirades and burn so many bridges publicly on twitter.
The fact that there was no ruse just really brings the salt to a new level.

He's the hero video game industry needs.

I also thought it was a ruse. I thought the head transplanting doctor was a ruse too. I think reality just broke or something when the game was being made.

>MGS5 had many potential ruses that never went anywhere
>All that potential energy had to go somewhere
>Now we have President Trump, Windjammers on the PS4 and Knack 2

The start of that game was so surreal

Hayter had done other things, but will always be remembered as Solid Snake. And him getting passed up for that completely kills his 'legacy' as an actor. Especially since so many of his core fans didn't really notice or care about the voice change. Cementing how useless dubbing is. And therefore making the majority of his career useless.

Plus, he already was having a meltdown over all the negative reviews of Watchmen.

>calling TV actors "Hollywood actors"
Are you fucking retarded, senpai? These guys are still small fry.

Nigga, Kojima paid 750k for a single song.
400~ 500k for a single actor is fucking nothing for him as long as he got what he want.

Which song?

>Nigga, Kojima paid 750k for a single song.
Which one? If you're talking about MGSV, and that was one that wasn't used, nobody should be surprised at all how he was treated by Konami.

>TV actors are small fry compared to movie actors
The 1950s called. They want you to come back.

The 1920s called. They want your joke back.

Gosling is a glorified indie film star. He's well loved but he hardly commands a paycheck along the likes of Chris Pratt. Seriously, try harder in your trolling, please.

These people are cheap by comparison and Sony has the money to support it. Hell, Konami did as well. They were only pissed because Kojima kept delaying the project and blowing money on these crazy meta marketing stunts and Konami is a company of by-the-books misers. He wasn't putting them in a hole. They just care more about the bottom line and maximizing profit off of minimal cost than delivering a quality product that stands the test of time. Sony is recognizing the following Kojima has and letting him run wild because they know that fan following will pay off. They're willing to invest because they know Konami basically opened a goldmine for them by putting Kojima in the underdog position. What Kojima is spending on C-listers is hardly breaking them and is going to pay off in the long run.

>They just care more about the bottom line and maximizing profit off of minimal cost than delivering a quality product that stands the test of time.
I don't think that's going to work out so well for them.

Your comeback makes no sense. In relation to movies or the 1950s.

Del Toro doesn't have anything to do with the project. He came by, they scanned his face in various expressions, and then he left to go back to his own projects. He's not advising on the script or even voicing his character. Kojima wants to leave him be to focus on his own projects and not take time away from him for those. He also made a joking comment that he didn't want to risk their relationship because he knew that if they both penned the story, they'd inevitably have disagreements and might fight over things.

i love gosling

i hope he's in it

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How do you figure?

What are you even on about?

Bioware?

Bioware games are selling worse and worse with each year. Another game or two and they'll be liquidated.

because they basically pissed in their own consumer's faces by canning Kojima and then using his engine and their last prominant franchise to shit out an obvious zombie co-op survival game with zero polish. Fans aren't too happy on that and the game is going to flop because of it. Casuals will ignore it because they don't recognize the franchise and hardcore gamers will pass it up because of the PR shitfest and because it looks like a mediocre turd. Even if it's a quick cheap cash-in, it's going to tank and lose money in the long run.

>specially since so many of his core fans didn't really notice or care about the voice change. Cementing how useless dubbing is. And therefore making the majority of his career useless.

Now you're just making up your own narrative

The idea that TV is less important than movies is an antiquated mentality. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, actors would consider TV a 'back up' to not landing a major movie part. And you routinely saw actors pass up major roles on TV series to focus on movie roles (such as John Wayne passing on Gunsmoke or Jeffery Hunter passing on Star Trek).

But after many actors saw the TV roles they passed on getting multiple seasons and much more popular than the movies they worked on, smart actors started to accept that TV was a valid medium. And these days, TV is just as big, if not bigger, than movies. Movies are a high risk, high reward enterprise. While TV shows have a much larger range. One lackluster movie can kill an actors career. While a bad TV show can actually make an actor more famous and successful. Hell, Hallmark is making billions of dollars off shitty made for TV movies and series.

Considering Sony has a huge fucking movie production or whatever division, would it make these types of things cheaper for Kojimbo?

Actually, it's really just a nail in his coffin than a nail in the dub coffin. He was passed up for 2 reasons. 1. because Kojima wanted a different tone for V and Hayter's campy specialty voice didn't fit that tone, and 2. Hayter didn't deliver the best performance last time he had a shot and thus wasn't worth his far too high asking price.

Fans abandoned him in favor of Sutherland because of what a fucking baby he was about it, with the constant passive aggressive back-handed twitter posts and all of the tantrums he'd throw when it was brought up. I'll still remember the good ol' days of Solid Snake and MGS3 Big Boss and enjoy Hayter's performances in those roles but as a human being, he has lost any respect I had for him and I really don't give a fuck anymore.

The MGS series has run its course now anyway and there's no more need for Solid Snake or Big Boss. Better to let the legacy die with some amount of dignity than keep dragging it out. Some stories just need to end and I look forward to Kojima's new projects.

But its true. And you saw David Hayter melt down as proof of this. If MGSV had bombed and no one liked his replacement, than Hayter would be gloating. Instead he throws a hissy fit and complains.

That doesn't make the TV actors get bigger paychecks though. TV acting is more valid nowadays, sure, but that's because the job security is higher. It's smaller amounts of money but a higher chance of being brought back and keeping your role AND it's easier to have multiple projects running concurrently, whereas in a movie, if you're on a project, that's usually your ONLY project for the next few years. Movie actors still get payed far more on a per-project basis, therefore, they're still cheaper to hire than any big name Hollywood star.

But people were giving up on Hayter before the game even came out. The most common thing you heard from fans before the game came out was "I wish Hayter was still doing Snake's voice, but Sutherland is good too." Fans didn't rally behind Hayter and demand he come back. They were already moving on before they even played the game. That's really tough for an actor to handle. Especially someone who got himself to believe he was Solid Snake.

Literally zero percent chance.

Unlike Konami, Sony know that Kojima's name alone will earn them back at least double whatever they throw at him. Fucking MGSV earned back over double its budget in the first couple of days after release.