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Picure unrelated?
What's even fun about these autism simulators?

>Paradox games
>good

Low IQ detected

you don't like to paint?

What is this unholy fusion of forced memes and grossgermanium posting.
Stop this at once, this is not sanctioned by the Board Memes Authority.

Any retard can play V2.

nah bullshit

>liquor factory
>liquor factory
>liquor factory
>encourage bureaucrats

Instant superpower

>I'm such a genius because I play autism simulators
Kill yourself

>playing the Eternal Kra*ts

>I'm such a genius because I can lie about the intellect of the average Paradox strategy player

gtfo faggot

Nice babbys first empire, op. What are you going to play next, Japan?

How the fuck do I play this game? I opened the tutorial and almost died. Is it one of those game worth "learning" with a shitload of replay value?

>playing as prussian germany and using console commands to assimilate cultures faster

ebin, ebin to the max.

-amations?

Someone in this thread claimed that any retard can play V2 so you don't exist. Please leave the thread.

Something like that. EU4 is much easier to get into, although extremely overpriced with all the DLC. Don't feel bad about pirating it.

If you learn it and like it you can easily play the game hundreds of times.

I've played as Japan alone like 10 or so, and that's not even counting alternate history mods.

>I opened the tutorial and almost died

Sorry lad but you might have brain damage

>I only play anime games for real gamers like myself

It's a mix between headbutting the game and just seeing what happens, watching/reading guides, and consulting infographs. These games all seem insurmountable, but become easy once you realize what the basic order of operations is. I'll post a couple relevant images.

grand strategy games are shit strategy games

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>these games are hard until you play them enough such that they're not!

wow amazing insight into what's truly difficult.

Vicky 2 is one of the good ones

How fares your empire, user?

Sick reading comprehension. He was saying the games appear more daunting than they are, not that it was hard until it wasn't.

I think he's more implying, at least for me, there's only a very subtle learning "curve" after a while it's a bunch of moments where shit just clicks and you immediately jump up in skill in a huge way.

oh yea. he didn't say there's stuff you have to learn, which is the hard part, and then the game is easy after that.

my bad. sorry brother

>those borders of other countries

which graphics mod

Only barely. The industrial system is hilariously easy to exploit and the market algorithms are so convoluted the devs themselves don't actually understand what they do so they can't fix it.

Niggers

Not at all what I said. What I said is that the difficulty in approaching these games is that often you don't know what's the proper order of operations to stabilize your economy/industry, so you feel adrift with no guidance at first. That's different from, say, learning how the basic combat in a game works, because even though you know the basic rules the game can still be hard to play due to the mechanic skill required.

In Paradox-style grand strategy games, once you realize what basic steps you require to reach a minimum of stability, a lot of the apparently difficulty simply dissolves away, and the challenge/fun comes from manipulating these systems for your own ends, like accumulation of power. This is true for all of their franchises, from Europa Universalis to Victoria.

Which ones? I'm so OP now that I think I can easily fix any of them except maybe russia.

It's more that going in there and fucking with shit would take way too long to get working properly again while actually improving it.

>What I said is that the difficulty in approaching these games is that often you don't know what's the proper order of operations to stabilize your economy/industry
right, so the game is hard until it's not.

>That's different from, say, learning how the basic combat in a game works, because even though you know the basic rules the game can still be hard to play due to the mechanic skill required.
yea but why does this difference matter

Flatmaps without dark water. It's on the workshop. It's outdated though so it looks a little weird right now but it still works.

Mostly Oirat and Khiva

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>learning is hard
There are things to learn but the game isn't as overwhelming as it appears != the game is hard until it isn't

If you seriously can't understand that then I can see why you dislike this genre.

Fuck that, HoI3 is better you pleb.

>learning is hard
sure. depends on the complexity of the subject.

a lot of people will tell you that they find learning grand strategy games difficult. you can chalk that up to stupidity or whatever you want, but regardless it means they are difficult, and rephrasing it to "you just have to learn this stuff that you're having trouble learning" doesn't change that.

Because difficulty that comes from having to learn what systems there are in the game and how they can benefit you is different from difficulty that comes from the systems themselves being challenging.

>THOSE PERFECT GROßGERMANIUMS BORDERS

That last part of Tibet will be part of the middle kingdom as soon as my truce with Oirat expires. I feel like I'm pretty much done with this campaign, but if I continue a war with Russia is probably inevitable.

when i ask you why the difference matters i'm implicitly accepting that a difference exists, so why would you respond with "there is a difference"?

are you mentally retarded? take another stab at it

what makes a border good and why in the hell should anyone care

>having $700 USD machines to play garbageware that looks like it was made in MSpaint.

autism

>those bits of italy, that austria, the baltics, glacia
>good in germany

no.

You're american, right?

This pretty much.

yes

yea but what is their alleged reasoning

haha german empire isn't exclusive to pcs that was exclusive to Worldwii

>open up Micorsoft Paint
>load up PNG of world map
>click around the paint bucket

That sounds like a low IQ task though

Map aesthetics supersedes dumb stuff like culture and linguistic divides. Frances natural borders are clearly the left bank of the rhine, even though some g*rmans happen to live in that territory.

Proper borders is a combination of owning all your rightful clay (land your country traditionally owned + any you think it should have owned) and aesthetics (minimal jaggy edges, enclaves, etc.)

Alright, let's try this again.
This entire chain of replies begins with an user stating that he found it very hard to learn the game, with the implication that said learning process would be fairly difficult and time consuming.

The difference matters because the way the difficulty in this game is structured doesn't really require a time consuming and difficult learning process, but is just a relatively simple matter of learning in what way the systems that the game presents can benefit you, and in what way you can interact with you. Less "alright, let's pre-plan each step I'll take for the next fifty years in this campaign meticulously because the systems are hard and need careful control from my part" and more "oh, I guess I need more bureaucrats in this state [click]"

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Mount and blade
CK2
Vicky 2
EU 3 and 4
Sword of the stars

oh so user didn't actually have trouble learning V2 because you say it's actually easy.

solid argument

>tfw you invade other countries out of an autistic desire for clean borders

Whatever looks good + whatever autistic reasoning you wanan throw in.

It's a number and history intensive game for adults, leave us and go back to your pokemon crap. The graphics are just a tool to the more important acts, unlike your kiddy monster throwing keel explosians.

pls install grandimod

He'll have significantly less trouble than he would guess at a first glance at the game. In that sense, yes, it's easier
That's my argument.

I think it's mostly a european/historyfag thing to be autistic about borders. An average americans might not be able to relate to the feeling that a location which one particular tribe of people inhabited during the bronze age needs to be part of their corresponding cultural groups empire.

wow that is completely arbitrary

what if i think germany should rightfully own all land in the world. that is just as beautiful as that pic he responded to

white and based

disagree. i bet there are plenty of americans on /gsg/ who post about "nice borders".

>not including German Mars
shit map

>$700 USD

You just don't understand it, it's an autism thing

Now you know the cause of 95% of all arguments in /gsg/

The other 5% is about Rob.

t. mana pro

talex

trob

Ridiculously, horrendously blobby as usual. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Austria have been surprisingly loyal friends all game, but sadly I'll have to backstab Austria to get rid of the irritating Italian Balkans title. Also, I'm the single catholic nation left west of the Carpathian Basin, because the Reformation devoured everything else.
It's sad.

t. liquor barons

Look, the stupid fucking bully and gang leader of shitposters who humilated based UnHPM lad for no reason.

have they Japan's shogunate bug yet?

>want to play vicky 2
>need to watch 10 hours of tutorials, read a few AAR's, look at a bunch of image guides on Sup Forums
>still only know the very basic of concepts and depth of the game

lads im scared

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>Italian Balkans
Take Slovenia already for the love of God

Such a huge blob should've been able to win the war. Why did you abandon your catholic brothers?

>Sword of the Stars
Please don't remind me user.
The scars are still fresh.

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Ignore , didn't read the whole text before posting.

Honestly I played Japan for my first game and used cheats to westernise faster so that I could just fuck about in safety.

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>but muh autism
Playing this on a "gamer" PC is such a fucking waste, go play actual games or stay in laptop on your mobile-tier games.

>He on a """""budget"""
How is AMD doing for you? kek.

>strategy games
only old and boring people play that shit genre

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Who said anything about a bandoning my brothers and losing the war? Despite remaining excommunicated the entire game because Spain absolutely hated me, the Empire is still legally Catholic.

The sad part is that I'm apparently literally the last-resort option as Emperor for the entire world, because goddamn Cyprus has held the title for the last century or so and only lost it because Egypt vassalized it. Italy is very lonely.

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Fucking shit map

Old and boring people have the most patrician tastes

A waste is playing a shit game, I am a succesfull adult and know better than you where to spend my Money. Some of these games are resource intensive because of the calculations, lad.