Why doesn't anyone talk about this game?

Why doesn't anyone talk about this game?

I thought it was good or am I deluded?

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Phoenixfags hate the Layton parts.

Laytonfags hate the Phoenix parts.

Layton gameplay is too ez for Layton fags and AA gameplay is too ez for AA fags. Story is typical "the town is fake" Layton shit too.

The story was stupid.

How can you hypnotize an entire population of people just for one girl?

Also, both were worse than their original series.
Trials were super watered down and the multiple witness examination mechanic was tedious and boring.
Puzzles were easy as shit or complete moon logic.
The story was hot shit and drew from the worst parts of both franchises (bad "sympathetic" villains from AA, asspull explanations for magic from PL)

Generally, the two series brought out the worst in each other.

Oh and Maya sucks.

AA fans don't like the Layton parts. Or character...or plot twist.

It's kinda between a rock and a hard place.

>first layton game
>entire town of robots for one girl

I'm a fan of both series and I loved it, all the stupid twists included

the layton parts were too easy, i did like the trial parts, the whole multiple witness testimony at one time was fun

I thought the witch trials were really cool, but all the concept art and development plans indicated a much cooler and more interesting game than we got

It's pretty bad.

Graphics are much worse than the 2D Layton or 2D AA games.
Cringe voice acting for Phoenix and Maya.
Story is pants on head retarded and 100% biased towards Layton. Literally the only case that feels like AA case is the first one for Wright. Everything else uses Layton art style, Layton style music and Layton story.
But that didn't help cause Laytonfags hate this game too because the puzzles are toddler tier and you get showered with cheat coins.

Generally it's bad Layton game and bad AA game, and overall simply a mediocre game when not judged through the prism of AA or Layton series.

Either way it's the worst of Layton and AA games.

>Graphics are much worse than the 2D Layton or 2D AA games.
Worse than the 3D ones on 3DS too, forgot to add that.

>tfw no brown Italian gf

...

If magic only "worked" in labyrinthia, how did the witches pull off that shit in layton's apartment in london?

The game is full of plotholes and typical nonsensical Layton writing. Welcome to Layton where the only good things are Layton and the kid's voice acting and the puzzles where everything else is utter trash.

The Italian pussy was meant for my dick.

>we didn't get Labyrinthian Edgeworth
>we didn't get Labyrinthian Larry
>we didn't get Dark Phoenix and Dark Layton

They had so many nice ideas but they threw them all out...

The book Espella had in London is written with ink that made them hallucinate. At least I think that's the way they explained it.

>>we didn't get Labyrinthian Edgeworth
They shoved him into the fucking credits scene.

God tier prosecutor, mediocre game.

That's kind of hard. The Layton series has had great music, art, and fun characters and scenarios (even if the plots can be a bit out there).

>Cringe voice acting for Phoenix and Maya.

I feel the guy they got for the crossover was better then the one used for Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice. Maya sounds the same in both the crossover and in Spirit of Justice so no comment there.

>and you get showered with cheat coins.

Hint Coins are in every Layton game, but you're never forced to used them.

>Everything else uses Layton art style, Layton style music and Layton story.

All the court sections still use Ace Attorney styled music, and some of the characters are clearly designed with an Ace Attorney aesthetic (Barnham, Darklaw, Espella, etc).

>Either way it's the worst of Layton and AA games.

I'm sure you can find one game in both those series, you can argue is worse in some ways, or at the very least not up to snuff.

From my own experience, I went in as a Laytonfag having never played an AA game. I found the Layton parts insufferably boring, but the witch trials were fuckin rad. This game got me into AA.

>shows up in one of the special episodes
>even has a "puzzle solved" animation
>it's the second to last episode
>get hyped for more Edgeworth and Layton shenanigans in the finale
>next episode is basically just "thanks for playing lads" with Layton and Phoenix is Layton's office

I've never felt so blueballed in a AA game before.

Maya had better direction in SoJ.
Here she sounds lifeless and Wright is just completely off, the DD and SoJ guy at least tries to fit the role.

>The Layton series has had great music, art, and fun characters and scenarios (even if the plots can be a bit out there)
The only truth in your statement is music. Art looks like typical satire british comic from morning newspaper and I fucking hate it. Characters are terrible and cardboard cutouts. Scenarios are the worst aspect of Layton with pants on head retarded story.

>Hint Coins are in every Layton game, but you're never forced to used them.
Key word is SHOWERED you reading comprehension lacking retard.

>All the court sections still use Ace Attorney styled music, and some of the characters are clearly designed with an Ace Attorney aesthetic (Barnham, Darklaw, Espella, etc).
Not really, the music is not AA styled. It's more like AA compositions ran through a Layton "filter" so to speak since I don't really know how to word it properly. And the characters again are a mix of the art style, not in AA art style at all. The entire game is biased towards Layton in every aspect.

>I'm sure you can find one game in both those series, you can argue is worse in some ways, or at the very least not up to snuff.
Layton 1, the worst Layton game, is still superior to this.
Ace Attorney 2, the worst AA game, is still superior to this.

Sorry but no.

>I'm innocent
>Better kill myself
Fuck the ending drama

This. You have to be a fan of both to enjoy it. I loved it but even I do agree on it being a bit shallow.

>don't like Layton
>like AA
>Game blatantly favours Layton
>AA portion is terrible
>The story and writing is terrible
>Music is good I guess

No, I didn't like the game.

>Maya had better direction in SoJ.
>Here she sounds lifeless and Wright is just completely off, the DD and SoJ guy at least tries to fit the role.

Fair enough.

>The only truth in your statement is music. Art looks like typical satire british comic from morning newspaper and I fucking hate it. Characters are terrible and cardboard cutouts. Scenarios are the worst aspect of Layton with pants on head retarded story.

Subjective but I suppose that's fair. Layton was always a series you played more for the puzzles, so I can understand that.

>Key word is SHOWERED you reading comprehension lacking retard.

Fair enough, rude asshole.

>Not really, the music is not AA styled. It's more like AA compositions ran through a Layton "filter" so to speak since I don't really know how to word it properly. And the characters again are a mix of the art style, not in AA art style at all. The entire game is biased towards Layton in every aspect.

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He went on to work on Dai Gyakuten Saiban which has a lot of PLvsAA influence in general, keeping the multiple witness cross examinations. Yes the game leans towards Layton's series more, no one denies this. And what's wrong with the characters being a mix of art styles? The original characters being made should appeal to fans of both series. And you said originally they used the Layton art style, before saying this.

>Layton 1, the worst Layton game, is still superior to this.
>Ace Attorney 2, the worst AA game, is still superior to this.

Ehh. That's really not saying much but that's subjective I suppose, so fair enough.

Except most of the major characters are AA-styled. The Layton art style is reserved for side characters, and of course, Layton characters.

>He went on to work on Dai Gyakuten Saiban which has a lot of PLvsAA influence in general, keeping the multiple witness cross examinations. Yes the game leans towards Layton's series more, no one denies this. And what's wrong with the characters being a mix of art styles? The original characters being made should appeal to fans of both series. And you said originally they used the Layton art style, before saying this.

80% of the characters use the short and chubby Layton art style.
Remaining 20% are Ace Attorney art which is then redrawn to be in Layton style shading, eyes, expressions etc.

I expect crossover to be a crossover and not A LAYTON GAME, FEATURING WRIGHT FROM ACE ATTORNEY SERIES AS GUEST CHARACTER

This same complaint applies to the music.

DGS is a shit game so I don't even know why ypu're bringing it into the conversation when I wasn't even talking about it.

>AA2 being the worst
Wow that's some hot opinions right there

>DGS is a shit game so I don't even know why ypu're bringing it into the conversation when I wasn't even talking about it.

I brought it up because saying the music isn't AA style, when some of the music style in PLvsAA transferred over to DGS, is simply not true. Unless you're going to say the music in DGS is Layton styled then.

>80% of the characters use the short and chubby Layton art style.
>Remaining 20% are Ace Attorney art which is then redrawn to be in Layton style shading, eyes, expressions etc.

But as pointed out, all the significant characters tended to be drawn in the AA style. Espella and the Storytellerwho is a plot point, both Jeanne and Olivia who are the culprits of their respective cases, both Barnham and Darklaw who are the prosecutors in the main setting, and so on. Yes they are drawn to be closer to the Layton style, but they're still distinctly Ace Attorney for all intents and purposes

>I expect crossover to be a crossover and not A LAYTON GAME, FEATURING WRIGHT FROM ACE ATTORNEY SERIES AS GUEST CHARACTER

And you know what? I can understand that. But it should be judged for what it is and not for what it isn't. Phoenix had more then one moment where he shined, without Layton's assistance.

The only good case is the last one.
It has the worst first case in the series and the worst 3rd case in the series.
It's also the only game other than AA4 with only 4 cases.

I enjoyed it and would like to see something like this again.
that said, I just wish it wasn't so much biased toward layton. If they make another game, they should make it more phoenix focused this time, or at least even it up.

Darklaw, the Storyteller, most of the Vigillantes, Barnham, Kira, Jeanne, and Espella are all drawn in AA's style. Also, you're lying to yourself if you think that there isn't some overlap between the artstyles

Please show us on the doll where Mister Layton touched you

>AA2 being the worst when AJ case 3 exists
Big Top ain't even that bad, you just dislike Moe.

Learn to read.

Ah yes, the ad hominem, mark of losing an argument. I accept your defeat.

>I brought it up because saying the music isn't AA style, when some of the music style in PLvsAA transferred over to DGS, is simply not true. Unless you're going to say the music in DGS is Layton styled then.
I'd say entirety of DGS is Layton styled. LaytonvsWright clearly rubbed off on Takumi. Also Sherlock was as terrible as Layton, in fact I'd say Sherlock was even worse written than anything in Layton games.

>but they're still distinctly Ace Attorney for all intents and purposes
I never said they aren't, they still constitute only 20% of game's characters and they've still got Layton touch to them.

>But it should be judged for what it is and not for what it isn't.
And I am judging it for what it is.
It's a piss poor crossover game that fails to deliver on what it should've. It's a game that fails Layton and AA fans alike. A dumbed down, casualized to the extreme that completely missed the point of the word "crossover".

I dislike everything about it.
The fucking anime did that case better than the game.

Honestly user, it just seems like you hate Layton with burning obsession, and I can't really refute your opinions you know?

I don't hate Layton's puzzles. I hate Layton's art style, characters and storytelling and I hate when a crossover game favours Layton, including with the most important part aka the STORY being 100% Layton focused, instead of being a fair mix of the two.

So you hate 90% of Layton? Doesn't really help.

Layton is about puzzles, not the nonsensical story. If you're playing Layton for the story then you're doing it wrong.
In fact I'd love if I could strip out everything from those games and just go through puzzles one by one.

>I'd say entirety of DGS is Layton styled. LaytonvsWright clearly rubbed off on Takumi. Also Sherlock was as terrible as Layton, in fact I'd say Sherlock was even worse written than anything in Layton games.

Fair enough then.

>I never said they aren't, they still constitute only 20% of game's characters and they've still got Layton touch to them.

No one denies that the game leans towards the Layton side more in terms of the game, and they could've handled the distribution better. But that doesn't mean someone who only played Ace Attorney would be torn off from it. I can understand why someone would, but that's to say it would necessarily apply to everyone. I'm sure there are Ace Attorney only fans who have enjoyed the game.

>And I am judging it for what it is.
>It's a piss poor crossover game that fails to deliver on what it should've. It's a game that fails Layton and AA fans alike. A dumbed down, casualized to the extreme that completely missed the point of the word "crossover".

I would say, it's fault comes from trying to make sure each the fans of each other's series, are essentially led into the gameplay more easily compared to a normal entry for both series as you have said. But it's still a decent product. But being casualized doesn't inherently mean it's a bad game. It does a lot of things right like additional content after the main game, which is free unlike Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice.

Is it perfect? No. They could have remedied some issues. But it's definitely a fun game, for someone who likes both series, or is willing to give it a shot otherwise if they like only one of the two series.

Not him but Layton was originally going to be just puzzles. The point and click gameplay, and everything else was added later.

>Not him but Layton was originally going to be just puzzles. The point and click gameplay, and everything else was added later.
And it's sad it didn't stay like that, the story is just objectively bad from any writing standpoint so why waste the player's time with all that chaff instead of letting you go straight into the meat of the game that are the puzzles?

>It does a lot of things right like additional content after the main game, which is free unlike Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice.
I'll give you that, paid DLC is just bullshit. Especially DD's 3rd case literally being shamelessly cut out of the game to be sold as DLC.

>But it's definitely a fun game, for someone who likes both series, or is willing to give it a shot otherwise if they like only one of the two series.
See I disagree, the reason I play AA games is mainly for the story and the twists and having to figure out the cases obviously. The story was shallow, the twist was horrible and typical Layton "IT WAS ALL A DREAM" which makes the entire game feel like it didn't matter in any way, shape or form. And the cases are toddler-tier in terms of difficulty so it's not like I can engage my brain cells to do anything when everythnig is handed to me on a silver platter.

If there's a word I could pick that describes this game, on second thought it wouldn't be bad or mediocre. The word I'd pick would be "pointless". That's how I feel about this game.

I thought the 3rd one was supposed to have an amazing story?

By Layton standards, sure. But it's mostly due to feelsfags. If you want to see what I mean, just spoil yourself on the ending and you will realize why feelsfags praise it.

If you want to just solve puzzles the internet is full of games like that. I want to play Layton for the Layton part of it. Fuck off from Layton if you can't handle it.

>And it's sad it didn't stay like that, the story is just objectively bad from any writing standpoint so why waste the player's time with all that chaff instead of letting you go straight into the meat of the game that are the puzzles?

Layton was always a more "whimsical," and "fantastical," series compared to Ace Attorney (though it has it's own over the top moments in a more bombastic manner in comparison). Like I get what you mean, but there's an audience for it. I mean some people do enjoy the story and moments that happen in them, perhaps just not in the same way as Ace Attiorney. Professor Layton & The Eternal Diva movie is a good example of that.

>See I disagree, the reason I play AA games is mainly for the story and the twists and having to figure out the cases obviously. The story was shallow, the twist was horrible and typical Layton "IT WAS ALL A DREAM" which makes the entire game feel like it didn't matter in any way, shape or form. And the cases are toddler-tier in terms of difficulty so it's not like I can engage my brain cells to do anything when everythnig is handed to me on a silver platter.

To be fair, some of what you said can be applied to some of the Ace Attorney games as well. Ace Attorney 1 is a very easy game, but that doesn't mean people don't enjoy it. And the game doesn't matter because it's not canon as of right now, anyway.

>If there's a word I could pick that describes this game, on second thought it wouldn't be bad or mediocre. The word I'd pick would be "pointless". That's how I feel about this game.

Maybe it was an unneeded crossover, but it was interesting to try and see. I mean, if they were to make a sequel, you don't think they try to improve?

>If you want to just solve puzzles the internet is full of games like that. I want to play Layton for the Layton part of it. Fuck off from Layton if you can't handle it.
Except Layton wasn't even going to have the non-puzzle parts, see Neck yourself you shitslurper.

I expected an organic gameplay mashing both styles of Layton's and Phoenixes way of problem solving in one coherent mental challenge. Imagine Layton's investigations sections, where he solve puzzles to gain information and supply Nick with pieces of evidence for upcoming trial. Yet it was nothing like that, jus another Layton adventure with puzzles disconnected from the plot and occasional trial with no preparation. It was disappointing, because potential for something great is right here.

>jus another Layton adventure with puzzles disconnected from the plot

Some of the puzzles were connected to the plot (same for other Layton games). Not all but some. I do like what you suggested though.

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>this was 6 years ago

I remember like three or four times in PLvAA when solving a puzzle lead to some story-related realizations, but for a 30 hour long game it was not enough

Pure black

How did you make that blank post?

>Pure black

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Layton parts were hot garbage and made me drop the game after the 2nd trial.

If they put out Layton how it is today, then it means that version is the superior one you fucking autist. Go play your webgames.

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I went into the final cases thinking I'd hate Darklaw but she was developed at all well. In the end, Barnham was a much worse prosecutor. He does fuck all the entire last quarter of the game because he's kidnapped and he's about as effective of a prosecutor as Klavier. He and Klavier are definitely the worst prosecutors in the series and their only defense is from gays or fan girls who fap to their designs. Look I know it's a fantasy, but why would anyone have Barnham's boy band hairstyle in medieval times, it's retarded and obviously just there to appeal to the gay/fan girl part of the fanbase.

And yes the game is very shit. I found the twist amusing at the end and the drunk witness, the 10 man witness stand and some of the characters such as the old man in the second case were fun. Layton was too flawless and had no character flaws, more noticeably than usual. Maya is annoying as shit. Luke barely does anything most of the game compared to Maya. Phoenix is pretty bad in this game too but not as bad as DD or AJ, they only really got his characterization right in SoJ.

The puzzles are baby tier and the trials are not much better either. Overall one of the bottom 3 AA games, Layton a shit but mediocre even for that series.