How is it possible that fallout 4 struggles to load an object 30 meters away at walk speed when you can drive fast as hell in gta v on PC smooth as glass in a world that's even bigger and with more actors?
not to mention that fallout has load screens every 5 minutes, while gta just has the long startup time and no loading after that.
is bethesda just that bad? will they improve when they scrap their old game engine?
Engine limitations. Bethesda's going to hang on to the Gamebryo engine until the very end. It works better for their game worlds because it keeps better track of thousands of in-game objects and where they've been moved too. But it still comes with the steep cost of shitty graphics, glitches, and crashes. Plus, it's easier to just recycle assets from their previous games into their new ones.
>is bethesda just that bad?
yes.
The answer really is just that simple
The engine they use is technically almost 30 years old, it's just been upgraded over the years but the limitations are still present.
Also, yes. Bethesda is incredibly bad, it's laughable. The shit they do to create those games is borderline retarded. Pic related is how they made trains in fallou 3 move, also most of the tables in Skyrim are just shelves clipped and suspended through the floor.
>trains are just hats that people wear while they move around
it's a living
beth games have a zillion scripts running as well as zillions of objects being interactable
You're fucking with me, right? There's no way they actually did that to get a fucking train to move.
Considering the only interactive objects in GTA are people and cars versus nearly everything in a Bethesda game I think it makes sense. People shit all over their tech but you don't see any other company trying anything close to that level of interactivity.
This. It's the engine. Bethesda is still using reworked Gamebryo because they love da money train, and would rather be able to squirt a game ever 2-3 years rather than take a few years and develop a modern engine.
Maybe, but you can say the same about Witcher 3, and that shit runs amazing. The engine was never meant to be frankensteined this long.
I'm really not.
RockStars engine RAGE is just better and more advanced than gamebryo
I love how people think relatively small studios like Bethesda are at all comparable to fucking ridiculously huge studios like Rockstar.
Bethesda hover around the 100 mark, and not all of them work on the same game...the team for Skyrim was fucking TINY, meanwhile Rockstar have well over ten times that many people, hell more than 1000 people worked on GTA V.
Granted Bethesda absolutely aren't pushing the technological or artistic envelope, but this sort of shit doesn't just magically improve without serious manpower.
Everything in Witcher is static except the people and monsters though.
They have the money to hire a similar amount of staff though.
Fallout 4 is basically the same strung together engine since Morrowind. There's nothing wrong with having an engine that still has some legacy footprint and bits left behind like Source and Cowadooty, but expect the worst from BGS.
thats kinda charming, i like it.
no
To be fair, moving trains were only in one of the DLCs, so they had to do what they could with the engine the game was already made in. That said, holy fuck they need a new engine.
Because one was made by a competent studio and the other was not.
LOL are you fucking serious?
First of all fucking no one is going to give Bethesda a quarter of a billion dollars to even get them into the same league as GTA V, secondly the logistical nightmare of ramping up to a team more than ten times that of the original and additional start up costs associated with it.....as well as developing brand new tech. You'd be spending close to half a billion dollars......and there's NO way you'd ever see a decent return on that.
What about The Witcher developer? That game is much, much better looking, a better game in every sense of the word and yet they are a pretty small studio who clearly punch above their weight class.
A fucking 980ti can't even run Fallout 4 at max settings on 1080p ffs
I knew Bethesda was lazy, but goddamm, that's just ridiculous.
They sell a lot of games. They could have been ramping their staff numbers up slowly. Instead they're buying shit like id and Arkane and devs to make MMOs.
What's the problem with getting a little more mileage out of assets by using them in creative ways?
>The Witcher
>Talk to people
>Find the hidden object
>Partake in horrible combat
>Great game
Am I wrong in thinking that more people played skyrim than gta5? I mean skyrim has been out for longer but everyone and their uncle has played skyrim.
Nigga have you played Bethesda games? Their combat is shit by modern average standards let alone comparing it to The Witcher. Story is no where near as good, nor is the gameplay on the same level as TW3.
CD Projeckt aren't a "pretty small studio", almost 250+ people worked on Witcher 3 and it's development budget was 80+ million USD....and their wages are incredibly cheap compared to those in the US.
How fucking skewed is peoples perception of the industry?
if you're gonna pull numbers out of your ass you might want to pull a source out too
Not by a long shot, GTA V has sold over 70 million copies.
Skyrim has sold somewhere in the range of 20-25 million.
TW3 cost $80 million whereas Skyrim cost $90 million. It's safe to say that Fallout 4 cost even more than Skyrim and yet their game doesn't hold a candle to TW3.
The table thing isn't really that bad I suppose, but using train-headed people to get train cars to move? You can't say that's not at least a little bit fucked up.
>wages are fucking cheap
Developers in Poland earn 10000-25000PLN gross a month depending on skills and experience.
This equals to 2500-6000 US dollars.
Completely different engines. Gamebryo can load 1000s of different interactable objects unlike the one Rockstar uses.
Or you could pull your head out of your ass and learn to use Google?
businessinsider.com
gamespot.com
>GTA V has 1000 people working on it
>Still took 2 years to make heists
>Still no singleplayer dlc
Skyrim sales are much more higher than fagger 3 ;)
Call of duty sells more copies than most games put together each year but that doesn't mean it's the greatest game ever made you autistic retard.
But what if it does mean that? What if it is the pinnacle of gaming?
Fallout 4 engine is like 20 years old.
There is literally nothing wrong with this you don't see it ever and the only way is to noclip out of the map. In fact it's a nice use of time and resource saving. Bethesda is a shit company but this is really clever. Imagine if they spent time to make an actual train work for about 10 seconds in a dlc.
Lazy would be copy pasting things out in the open, which is what they do but that train and shit is genius
I bet if I noclip in one of your favorite games I'll find shit like that
Whilst I agree that sales and even review scores aren't a good metric for quality or "greatness", what is?
General public consensuses, or the opinions of a select few?
Because if it's the former, Call of Duty would actually be considered one of the greatest game series ever.
Have you played a modern game? Bethesda games have so much content compared to any other game. They have different challenges.
>so much content
Would rather have an empty toilet bowl than one overflowing with shit.
What you smoking my 2gb 770 storms fallout 4 1080@ 80/100fps you saying 980ti cant.
>is bethesda just that bad?
short answer is yes
long answer is bethesda games are more interactive hence less performant, but their engine is still shit compared to rockstars which is top of the line