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Dick Kickem 3D

The first one.

The second one.

t. nostalgia fags

mgsv

Overwatch

t. 2000s baby

Deus Ex
lol

i honestly prefer these games over doom, fight me

Painkiller Black.

Timesplitters Future Perfect!

>Excellent singleplayer that consistently varies setting, weapons, and mission objectives. Also the story is surprisingly funny. Cortez is a great hero.
>One of the most robust arcade modes I've ever had the joy of experiencing. The game gives and gives and gives.
>Ability to customize nearly every aspect of the multiplayer experience.
>Oh, it also has a map editor.

literally any average shooter made before 2007 is better than that crap
7th Gen console shitters really set the bar low

doom 3

Doom 3 is unironically marginally better, Neither are good but for completely different reasons

What doom 3 did you negroids play?

The one I played was disgustingly awful, D44M is far and away the better doom game. It at least has the right attitude and it's not trying to be a shitty, boring horror game.

>Doom 3 is unironically marginally better

Doom 3 fucked up the levels (they work as horror levels but not for an action game) and didn't make use of all the enemy types so you are fighting imps and zombies 90% of the game
the movement is proper id and weapons are balanced appropriately for a doom game some things that 4 fucked up royally

>Console FPS
so close

No they aren't.
besides the claustrophobic levels and retarded flashlight mechanic (yeah yeah "patched later"), the monster were primitive and SLOW, boring as hell:

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Literally slower than in any DOOM game
literally helpless

I'm not sure about weapon balance, but 4's weapons felt substantially better to actually use than 3, which is way more important imo. doom 3's shotgun is probably still the most comically bad gun in any game I remember playing. It literally requires you to be in melee distance to be effective.

*cough*

>Literally slower
that doesn't matter, they could have created some interesting encounters with the cast of monsters but instead gave the player imps and zombiemen
playing some custom maps you can see that the game itself isn't bad
>which is way more important imo.
the important thing is to have weapons with unique speciality/function doom 4 doesn't have that all, the weapons beside the pistol and gauss may as have all been the same thing

>that doesn't matter,
>that doesn't matter,
>that doesn't matter,

Why don't you go play some walking sim then instead of shitting in FPS thread?

Yeah, I'm sure people will still be making SnapMaps© for DOOM 2016 in 20 years time.

I thought there was something fishy when those fags over at RLM said it was the best game ever.

For once though, they were right.

they are still fags though

Posting in a millenial thread

I like D44M but come on.

>The originals
>Shadow Warrior (Reboot and original)
>Duke Nukem 3D

And those are better FPS games, not games in general. Don't be a fag OP

>And those are better FPS games
No they aren't.
Just because you personally think they are better do not makes it so, fag

What are some objective things D44M does better other than graphics?

And if you reply with subjective statements, I'll beat your shit in.

>And if you reply with subjective statements, I'll beat your shit in.
>says the fag who started it with his personal shitty opinion he presented like an objective fact

Do you honestly think someone would even consider to start discussion with you after that? Whit the same success you could shit in you palm and ask for a handshake.

>those original games being better than D44M
I bet you also think Goldeneye 64 is still better than CoD.
Even Ghosts was still better by a mile than most older shooters. They just don't hold up after so long.
t. played the original doom when I was 10

Don't bother man, if you don't ignore the flaws of every decade old game then you're shilling or throwing your money away because as we all know a luxury hobby is about buying 5$ games and getting mad when companies try to make money.
Every argument here boils down to how much you "Should" spend on a game like none of these faggots have real jobs or something.
Mommy doesn't pay for your games anymore, grow up.

Ok, I admit I listed a subjective opinion, but what arguments do you have that D44M is objectively better?

Again, what part about D44M is objectively better than Doom?

Also again, I like D44M, I like it a lot, but I don't feel it is better.

you dont deserve death
you deserve pain

>in 2016?
Blood and Wine
>captcha:street signs

>but what arguments do you have that named by you games are objectively better than DOOM?

Mate, now you are twisting my words. I know there are some very, very, very shit old games, one that don't hold up at all. Doom still holds up due it's level design, difficulty curve and modding scene. There are some large flaws in the game (Some levels go way overboard with secrets and the shifting mazes, especially in episode 4), but it is still a good package to this day if you can get past graphics.

real good arguments you've got there m8

And I'm not claiming all old games are bad, but the mantra here that a decade old game gets a free pass for being old, because "Y-you must judge it as it was when it released" is a retarded metric because you're comparing it to a modern game.
If that was the case GTA3 would be the best game ever, but it's trash by today's standards.
>Can't jump out of moving cars
>No bikes
>No superior limb based damage, headshots only matter for rifles.
But this can be ignored because "Muh nostalgia"

>More intricate level design
>Mod ability
>Help define a genre
>Spawned an engine still used today and constantly tinkered (You can trace many modern engines to the Quake engine which is traced back to the Doom engine)
>Unique programming at the time
>Help PC to be a viable gaming platform.

There, now you.

>Help PC to be a viable gaming platform.
>not mmo

>>Mod ability
Can't argue with that, Denuvo fucked it up.

>>Help define a genre
What genre, original DOOM defined the whole FPS genre. The D44M is a reboot of it and:

>>More intricate level design
Has very similar level design to original game.

>>Spawned an engine still used today and constantly tinkered (You can trace many modern engines to the Quake engine which is traced back to the Doom engine)
How is this an argument when you counter-argument with the fact that a lot of of the modern engine are descendants of ID tech2?
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>>Help PC to be a viable gaming platform.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but while Duke Nukem and [barely popular desu senpai] Shadow Warrior are great game they are nowhere clsoe to the status of "games that made PC platform viable".

Original DOOMs did.
Half-life did.
Unreal did.

I also like how you haven't provided a single gameplay points.
I'm honestly confused how you consider this as a solid argumentation.

Shadow Warrior (2013) is a better game in the same genre.

how does this make you feel?

>tfw I love DOOM 4
>tfw I also love Domm 1 & 2
Good thing I can enjoy both.

>Has very similar level design to original game.
As someone who loves DOOM 4, nope.
The original Doom maps were more like open areas you could explore freely, with a sense of exploration. DOOM 4 does this sometimes, but most of the time it's being locked in a room until you defeat the enemies.
The closed arenas allow for more controlled encounters, but you're barely making your way through a level, using your spatial memory and awareness skills outside of combat.

...

>>level design

Original Doom had levels that could be played in different ways to reach the goal. Every D44M level except foundry and the one level with the Argent filters, you have to follow a path. A wide path I admit but a path nonetheless.

Also take into consideration that every level in the originals were designed so you could beat them with a pistol start on Nightmare. That's a hard thing to do and requires a lot of thought put into it.

Unfortunately, I can't think of gameplay arguments at this time that doesn't fall under the "subjective" umbrella other than level design, but I gave a shot at it and want to hear the things D44M does better other than graphics being an obvious thing.

I had very similar not the same.
In terms of level interconnection it was very and very much alike expect more verticality.

Doom 4 is a fine game, but the originals are better in every way (except for graffux, but classic Doom has a good art style that holds it up on that front).
They were more challenging, had better level variety, and had simple but intuitive gameplay design. There is a reason there are loads of sourceports and wads people made for it, as the base game was a great foundation to begin with.

Classic Doom wasn't riddled with upgrades, in-game menus and flashy mechanics. It's insanely easy to pick up and play, but hard to master. Especially when it comes to harder difficulties and levelpacks.
Doom 4 is hampered by this. I never feel like randomly picking it up and playing it like I do with the original Doom. Sure there's the arcade mode, but there really isn't enough variety to keep me interested. The user content sucks and snapmap is a huge letdown. Nightmare is boring and easy, Ultra Nightmare is a gimmick. The guns are a little bland and don't have the "which tool is right one for the job" qualities like classic Doom.

>The guns are a little bland and don't have the "which tool is right one for the job" qualities like classic Doom.
I disagree

this guy gets it
good post

Gauss and chaingun were immensely op, especially when upgraded.
The assault rifle is useless outside of mini rockets, and the plasma gun's default fire was underwhelming. And the pistol was never used beyond the intro. The game throws so much ammo at you that there's no reason to not use those power weapons.

I pretty much use whatever I want in Doom 4, seeing as how I have plenty of ammo and guns don't really do enough different from one another to swap like a madman.

does listening to this while playing improve the experience?

>DOOM: the lyrics

Modulistic terror
A vast sadistic feast
The only way to exit
Is going piece by piece

You have no choice of life or death
My face you will not see
I'll rip your flesh 'till there's no breath
Dismembered destiny

As soon as life has left your corpse
I'll make you part of me
No emotion
Death is all I see

Modulistic terror
A vast sadistic feast
The only way to exit
Is going piece by piece

Bones and blood lie on the ground
Rotten limbs lie dead
Decapitated bodies found
On my wall, your head!

On your trail I close the gap
One more life that soon won't be
No emotion
Your flesh is all I need

I'll send you to your maker
Confront the God you seek
A flash of red upon his your chest
Safety out of reach

(You have no choice of life or death
My face you will not see
I'll rip your flesh 'till there's no breath
Dismembered destiny)

(Modulistic terror
A vast sadistic feast
There's only one way out of here
Piece by piece)

So was double-shotgun and RL in original Doom so what?
That being said I disagree, on Nightmare difficulties they weren't very OP either

>The assault rifle is useless outside of mini rockets
Says you. Don't project your personal experience and skill on others.

>and the plasma gun's default fire was underwhelming.
True but so is in the original game it wasn't that great

>And the pistol was never used beyond the intro.
I used it to get cheap shots at zombie for glory kills

>The game throws so much ammo at you that there's no reason to not use those power weapons.

But the capacity is much more limited and even when you fully upgrade it you can easily exhaust most of it in a full encounter so you still do resource managment in-battle with chainsaw.

In original Dooms it could clear up whole level just with super-shotgun never running out of ammo because of pickups. Single-weapon runs on D44M are much harder, game forces you to multiuse. Right tool for the right job, eh?

this. the game is perfectly balanced. even how it forces you to basically go berserk on low health for glory kills for more health. but there's still plenty of ammo and it's not out of the way that it's an ammo or health scavenging game. you have just enough for each battle to battle so you can focus on the action. everything is secondary to the action and that's where the challenge is. perfect game desu

>resource managment in-battle with chainsaw
Yeah, pressing a single key to regain half of my ammo is really a difficult battle in resource management

It is not that simple. It sure is "Pressing a key" on anything lower than Nightmare because you can take a hit or two in exchange for ammo. But on Nightmare you have to think a bit more strategically where to kill and which demon to avoid being in open for more than half of a second than needed. You would not want to give Mancubus or Caco or Revenant time to aim or Baron/Knight t get closer.

Plus the fact that some enemies take more chainsaw charges.

Do you want to kill the Mancubus quickly or kill off all the Imps?

>Is D44M a good game?
Oh yeah, it's great

>Is there any better game?
Oh yeah, dozens of them

>kill off all the Imps?
This is where I find assault rifle good at - Imps. In my opinion great weapon against these - shoot until staggered and then single rocket and move on.

>Oh yeah, dozens of them
that is a great list of these games

Ok fine
>Warcraft III
>Diablo 2
>Fallout1/2
>Deus Ex
>Arcanum
>Age of Empires
>Heroes of Might and Magic 3
>TES Morrowind
>Silent Hill 2
>F.E.A.R.
>Bioshock
>System Shock 1/2
>StarCraft
>Baldur's Gate
>Witcher 1/3
>Gothic 1/2/NotR
>Dark Souls 1/2
>Bloodborne
>Planescape: Torment
>Mafia
>Jagged Alliance 2
>X-COM
>Divinity: Original sin
>Dragon Age: Origins
>Mass Effect
>King's Bounty 1/2
>Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines

It's interesting, but I can't really remember any considerably better fps. Half-life comes to mind but only 1st part is still good, 2nd is hella dated. UT is only good in mp as is Q3, so we can disregard it as irrelevant. Modern Warfare comes close I think

>It's interesting, but I can't really remember any considerably better fps.
literally any half decent fps made before the gen 7 consoles shit everything up is better than D44M

Final Fantasy.
All of them.

That's a nice "le personal taste" list you've got here.
Would be a shame if someone questioned its objectivity