It wasn't THAT bad

It wasn't THAT bad

>drug that is supposed to erase only the past 90 minutes of memory
>Junpei somehow forgets everything that happened in the facilty + all that week at Dcom + ever meeting with Akane
>nobody told him, not even Carlos who was just left standing there

No, it WAS bad. At least this ending doesn't have the Carlos 2 plothole.

Isn't it kind of obvious to assume that the amount of memory lost is based on doseage, and she ripped the thing off and gave him a way bigger dose than normal?

Remind me again why didn't Delta just tell the gang about the super-terrorist instead of setting up a super-complex crazy killing game to achieve the same thing?

It absolutely was THAT bad

No, it's not. She only stabbed him with the needles and suddenly he forgot days worth of memories and nobody told him.

Its considered bad?
I thought it was fantastic.

The needles are on a timer. They stab in and then stab out. She probably left them in longer than the bracelet does..

His dialogue in VLR implies that he has vague fuzzy memories of what happened but nothing specific. There's nothing saying he forgot meeting with Akane or being at Dcom. He remembers being involved with the mars mission test site project, but left it vague as to what details he remembered.

C O M P L E X

It was an enjoyable disappointment

alien fax machine room was best escape room yet also an immense mistake

He literally said he never saw Akane again after 999 in VLR.
He only knew about the mission but didn't even remember being a part of it.

>I thought it was fantastic.
Have you played 999/VLR?

I actually really enjoyed the puzzles and the game up to the ending, where it felt like they cut out the last half and wrapped everything up a bit too fast, especially since 999 and VLR took their time.

With that said I still liked it overall, but I hate how they left off knowing that they probably will not be able to do a 4th Zero Escape.

Imagine, what if none of them had experienced the events that ocurred in the shelter
They are so determined now to change the future.
One of the goals of all of that was to get them into that frame of mind.
It was all according to plan.

Yes of course.

>He only knew about the mission but didn't even remember being a part of it.

He literally said he was involved with the project, and then doesn't specify how.

I also don't remember him saying he never saw her since 999, only that he had been chasing her since then. (Which he was still chasing her in ZTD)

DUDE
ALIEN
TECHNOLOGY

So he could exist.

But he already existed. Doing all that stuff shouldn't have changed anything.

>tfw pirated it instead of falling for the hype
It's a shame really, VLR was so good, I guess video games just can't have a good story from start to end.

Neither Delta nor Phi were going to magically poof if he never held the decision game. That's not how ayylien time machine works.

He wouldn't exist if at least one Delta from one universe somewhere didn't do all those things. We just happened to see the universe in which he did it, because that's the most interesting one.

Its shit. It tried copying the previous entries with its twist but when it was revealed it just felt pointless.
OH! THERE WAS THE VILLAIN ALL ALONG WITH THE PLAYERS, JUST LIKE LAST TIME! EXCEPT THIS TIME ITS SOME RANDOM FUCKER WHO HAS
C O M P L E X
M O T I V E S
all that shit that went down in the past games all happened because "it had to, otherwise you wouldn't stop the terrorist!" What was all that talk about wanting to make a new mankind? Was it all just bullshit? Or was THIS Delta somekinda exception? It tried explaining some things but all we got was aliens, M I N D H A C K, Sigma fucking Phi to existence and snails. Did they actually succeed in thwarting whatever went down that day? No. There wasn't actually anything to thwart. Was the whole journey worth it, betraying, killing, being betrayed by your friends, wasting 45 FUCKING YEARS, ALONE AFTER WATCHING YOUR ONLY HUMAN INTERACTION DIE, only for the chance that something might go differently?
Nah

Because they wouldn't feel motivated to fight the terrorist if they hadn't gone through a struggle of their own

To be fair VLR's plot boils down to ''Sigma is the worst esper ever''

are you being serious or sarcastic here?

yes

No, but at least one Delta had to do it.

>Alien clone fax machine
>Memory erasing drugs that conflict with VLR
>Two Carlos'
>COMPLEX MOTIVES
>Random serial killer is somehow the start of everything in the series

I could go on and on, but I don't even care anymore. I'm just glad I remained cautiously optimistic and pirated first.

Oh also should I play/watch Steins Gate?
I hear it does this shit 20 times better, but I don't feel like going through a sad ending ending where everythings gone to shit again. Will it all be worth it in the end?

quick post your best meme

It's the piranha analogy. The fish that get transferred with the piranha survive because they're more careful, since the danger is apparent and obvious.

The ones that don't have the piranha get complacent and die from other minor things.

>999 gets planned sequel to close out the franchise
>Turns out to be utter shit

>S;G gets announced but unplanned sequel
>Turns out to be better than the original

The Irony is too funny. Uchi is a fucking hack. I warned you guys about his failure with his other VNs, but you didn't listen. You reap what you sow.

Those memes sure were spicy.

Just play it. Don't read or learn anything about it beforehand. Leave before someone spoils you.

That's exactly what Delta tells them, and he's not entirely wrong, most if not all of them would have told him to fuck off without believing him, the odd thing is that they end up believing him since apparently being a sicko couldn't be the reason for everything.

I think the real question is if anything would be different if the series was as big a hit as danganronpa. Would he have actually done things better amd different or would we have had the same nonsensical C O M P L E X M O T I V E S ending but just even more hyped and more polished?

Was it ever explained why esper abilities were about clairvoyance in 999 but turned into body jumping into alternate universes in ZTD?

Twist was dumb, but the game was thoroughly enjoyable regardless. Typical that people would go absolutely autistic about plot details like this though.

Steins;Gate is pretty great.
The game will last you 30~50 hours depending on how fast you read.
The ending is well done, too.
The anime adaption is really close to the game, only some things are missing/changed. I would recommend playing the game first.

So, uh, WHERE'S KYLE?

If this had the Danganronpa fanbase, I think this and VLR would have probably been more polished and probably paced a bit better, since they would probably have the budget for future games.

n o n c a n o n - m e t a f i c t i o n

because uchi got a new idea

The guy who made it is renowned for being completely unable to write proper endings to his novels. See: VLR, Ever17 and this. 999 was the best one, and even that gets a bit silly at the end. He sets things up brilliantly, then everything falls apart at the end with "it was a ghost all along!" or "it was all a dream!"-tier endings.

...

>No Kyle
>No Blickwinkel/?

The game is way more fleshed out. It's one of the best VNs without a shadow of a doubt. It's one of those ones you're sad to finish.

Everything will be revealed in 2028, please be excited.

He will jump into your body in 2028. Be prepared. Uchikoshi will make it happen.

>"This is my plan."

The only way ZE could be as big of a hit as DR is if they dropped all concept of dark and gritty and replaced it with wacky comical characters and friendship simulator sections

By that point the ending would be equally shit but it wouldn't matter as much since the suspension of disbelief is already so far up

It was all Marty's fault.

the art is painfully weeby and turns me off super hard

>The only way ZE could be as big of a hit as DR is if they dropped all concept of dark and gritty and replaced it with wacky comical characters and friendship simulator sections

So VLR, then.

>talking shit about huke

It's anything but typical weeb art.

VLR was a legitimate case of "we want the danganronpa audience", right down to the talking animal character

though it didn't go all out with the wacky it defeinitely toned down a lot of the gritty that made the atmosphere of 999

Reminder that Sean undoes the "Good" of the ending by going back in time to save Mira from herself, meaning neither Delta nor Phi will be born in that universe and nobody stops the terrorist.

If you don't like weeby stuff you're gonna find it tough to find VNs you like. Hotel Dusk is pretty good if you want non-weeb though.

999 would've been his magnum opus if he just stopped it there. But no, he had to drop cliffhangers about ALL ICE and that stupid shit instead and went full retard in VLR and ruined everything in ZTD.

what DID happen to M2?

The problem is that Uchikoshi is shit at extending plots between games. Each game is better in a vacuum

What was even the point of those epilogue case files? Completely unnecessary and if anything, only raised more questions.

they were meant to offer character resolutions
team D aren't important enough for resolution

No, Uchi has historically never been able to write a satisfying game - it's always a shitty ending or just mediocre all around. The only exception is 999.

Literally just Carlos. He has the body jumping power and also the power to give it to others.

Alternatively, they go back too far, Mira and Eric settle down and have kids, one of which they name Eric jr, and the other they name Chris, after Eric's late brother, and then finally when the day comes to stop her, she gets stabbed by her instead, causing the entire chain of events.

Uchi loves his bootstrap paradoxes, so I wouldn't rule it out.

This is the longest I've ever seen a zero escape thread stay alive

>all these retards in the thread making fun of plotholes

Face it you stupid cunts, 999 and VLR has stupid stories with plotholes from the start

You should've dropped 999 as soon as you saw a steel door being blown open by a fucking dry ice bomb, how fucking retarded do you have to be to write such utter garbage

>the power to give it to others.
where the fuck was that established? I don't remember that

Nice opinion, bro.
While 999 was easily his best it still contains similar flaws all of his works have, cherry picking it over others is silly.

It all comes back to Ice-9.

>Nice opinion
>Agrees with me that 999 is the best

What did he mean by this?

You must have missed all the meme threads when the game released

When it said all espers become stronger in the presence of other espers. They never jump bodies without him around, remember.

His other games all have the similar good points as 999, but being worse than 999 doesn't make them shit homo

>tfw we lost uchi chan to western bullshit

It's heavily implied that every esper can do it.

Now why are literal who's like Mira and a fucking robot are able to do it is another question entirely and one probably not worth ignoring.

Life is __ __
Fill in the blanks

999 ending wasn't good.

>all this was done to have a phone call with a loli in the past

>His other games all have the similar good points as 999,
I disagree.
Ever 17 for example, lived and died by its twist: everything else was mediocre.. whereas the premise to 999 is interesting and reasonably paced. Then there's stuff like Never 7, which had actual hard sci-fi elements that worked with each other and not forgotten halfway through.

I'd do anything to save a loli, you fucking monster

Steins gate is fucking boring, i don't know how anyone likes this shit.

Doesn't have the trials like Danganronpa to engage you or puzzles like Zero Escape.

All you fucking do is read

It's a visual novel.

have you ever read a book, user

For all ZTD does wrong, nothing pissed me off more than how they conclude Junpei and Akane's arc with a generic happy ending that feels totally hollow after everything they went through in VLR.

Tenmyouji's bittersweet acceptance that they could never be together was a million times more moving and more true to the characters than what we got in ZTD.

Those bikers moved on with their lives, damn it.

I found the trials to be really uninteresting.
>Shoot statements with your truth bullets
>Play hangman

>he specifically cited being inspired by the walking dead telltale games prior to ZTD
He was poisoned before it even began.

Yeah, I usually defend ZTD, but Uchikoshi really likes to have his cake and eat it too when it comes to Akane. He wants her to be this "hardened, seen-some-shit, cold, calculated, gives-no-fucks" superbadass, but then he also wants her to be a cute, innocent girl. You can't really have both.

It wasn't that good either.

That is a VERY high quality Sara

Be honest
Did you enjoy ZTD before the alien fax machine?

I always expect visual novels that seriously try to tell a story to have some form of interactivity or else shit should have became a book in the first place


Lewd VN's are a different case though.

The trials are the only good thing about Danganronpa since the plot is not that enjoyable. Reason why anime was ass

...

Kinda.
I was mildly annoyed by some things before that like the poor graphics/animations or the complete disconnect in the narrative by letting you choose where to play next. I also had some major audio glitches.

>VLR
>Oh fuck I've been hitting on girls like a quarter of my age this whole time
>ZTD
>Oh fuck I was hitting on my daughter in the last game

Where's our consciousness located, in terms of the morphogenic field theory?

I enjoyed the alien fax machine.

Somewhere in 4-dimensional space. Our brains are like monitors, with the real brain somewhere else.

I like how the games use less and less math as the series progresses.

Uchikoshi needs to explain the reasons behind these power, the story was better when it was more grounded in reality.

He can't keep explaining it. It's not possible in reality, so eventually you have to hit a point where it falls apart. It's better not to explain it and just say "aliens" or whatever, because that gives you more suspension of disbelief.