The perfect balance in a videogame doesn't exi-

>the perfect balance in a videogame doesn't exi-

>Music

Who fucking cares?

Go listen to an album

>Graphics

unimportant window decoration

Give me 10 points in gameplay, and 10 points in art style.

>music
>LISTEN TO A FUCKING SONG XD

I agree with this 100%. What kinda moron plays a video game for the plot?

So what tetris?

>put 20 points into gameplay, no points into story, graphics, music, or artstyle
>STILL end up with one of the greatest indie titles to ever exist

You were saying gentlemen?

>Gameplay

What the fuck does that even mean. Is it like Moviewatch or Bookread or Musiclitsten?

>art style
>LOOK AT A FUCKING PAINTING

POOO POOOOO PEEE PEEEE GET IN HERE LIAM I FOUND A ME ME THREAD

DOIINGGA AMEMEEEEE XDDDD

Going to stop you right there. Dorf Fort is maxed out in story by virtue of the game telling a new story every time you play it

Yes, glad you understand

MEMEMEMEME

POO POO PEEE PEEE ME ME 4 MY WEE WEE xD

>Art style

Literally who cares? You want to see art, go to a fucking art gallery.

>write a book and release it for free
>nobody reads it

You don't need graphics if you have a good artstyle

That's why shit like Homm3 still looks great today

It tells it through the gameplay, though, which is the only way to tell a story. No unskippable cutscenes at any point. Maxed out story means you take hours upon hours to tell the story via cutscenes, ala Metal Gear Movie.

>indie

>Graphics
WATCH A FUCKING MOVIE
>Music
LISTEN TO A FUCKING ALBUM
>Art style
LOOK AT A FUCKING PAINTING

its funny how the witcher 3 has all boxes checked. haha

Just put 4 in each, great game.

Putting 10 points in artstyle and zero in graphics is retarded

Name a game that does this
inb4 mobashit

I wouldn't say that looks great. Decent maybe, but not great.

Too bad it's a movie, instead of a video game.

*shrugs non-chalantly* just saying.

i dont like halo

~~~spit take~~~
~~~takes off shades~~~

PSYCH

of course i like halo for i am a true gamer
~~~puts back on shades~~~

If games came with a novella you had to read at certain points in order to keep up with the story I might be into it

DF isn't a game.
It's just shitty sim that losers use to make up 90% fictional greentexts describing le epic timez they had in df.

I disagree with that.

I think DF has at least a point in music and artstyle

>Huge drama about how the graphics got reduced for consoles
>"All the boxes checked"

Oh and enjoy your QTE combat

Megaman
SMT3
Dorf Fort
Monster Hunter

Why is Sup Forums so fucking autistic?

Seriously

*pushes you* its not a movie and is better then bloodborne.

What if someone made a game about a book in which every single line of the book is narrated + text and nothing is skipped?

>I wouldn't say that looks great.

I would say that you are incorrect.

>dorf fort
>maxed graphics and art style

I know it's not Call of Duty, but you know it's actually a good game.

I consider graphics 3d models with polygons

anything 2d isnt graphics

DF has no win condition. It is not a game.

If you insist that the game is postponing loss as much as possible, then the easiest way to do that is to never play it.

pretty sure dwarf fort at least still has like .5 Points in graphics, 20 points in game play would be like an idea if you can't play it

>gameplay
GO PLAY A FUCKING SPORT

>graphics
GO LOOK AT A FUCKING PAINTING

>music
GO LISTEN TO A FUCKING ALBUM

>art style
SEE "GRAPHICS"

>le book argument
Is this the sign of stupid people?

What sport allows me to kill dragons?

>I've never won tetris therefore I've never played it

it isn't

It basically just gives you elder god tier pixel art

name one game from 1999 or earlier that has aged better in terms of visuals

>disliking indies

...

>Play a fucking sport
>Read a fucking book
>Watch a fucking movie
>Hear a fucking song
>Look at a fucking painting

did fucking pac man ever end?

Isn't Super Mario Galaxy kind of close to being perfect though? Even the story manages to get more than a 1/5.


Gameplay 5
Story 2
Graphics 4
Music 5
Artstyle 4

How about some examples on how many points are what? What game would it be with maxed gameplay? Fighting games/arpgs? Graphics is somewhat obligatory but art style just screams of indie garbage or the regular "its shit on purpose" like borderlands

>DF has no win condition. It is not a game.
No, that would be if it had no lose condition. No win condition just means that it's an endurance game.

>he didn't go dragon hunting with knights

>people on Sup Forums of all places are mad when OP points out that story shouldn't be a central point in vidya

What went wrong with Sup Forums?
5 years ago this shit wouldn't fly here

to be fair to both parties, it's an autistic level of complexity with detailed lolrandumb events and not much substance, like if Minecraft had more content and was a management game.

Dragons were extinct by that period ya dingus

We should do that, take a game and rate it with any amount of points on those 5 categories.

Think about it.

When someone talks about how a 2d game looks do they use the term art style or graphics?

I've never heard anyone say that muramasa had great graphics, but a bunch of people gush about its art style.

I know it sounds retarded, but it makes sense to me

Getting higher scores than the competition is a win condition. The game gives a metric of some kind, which is used to compare against other players.

And yes, Pac Man did technically end. There's a glitch after Stage 255.

I should've given Gameplay 1 more.

>Not much substance

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Im not even a big DF player, but it has some of the most complex and intricate mechanics I've ever seen in a sim.

Alligator hunting

more like 4/5/2/4/2

>he doesn't know about the hiding dragons

what are some games with legitimately good stories?

...

That's not substance.
Is a weather simulator a good game now?

Name a single game that doesnt tell a story.
It would be just a bunch of numbers and variables on a blank screen.

>Getting higher scores than the competition is a win condition.
moving the goalpost

>And yes, Pac Man did technically end. There's a glitch after Stage 255
if i remember right it technically doesn't end there and people play through the glitch but i might be wrong.

To lazy to make one

XCX
>Gameplay 5
>Story 1
>Graphics 5
>Music 1 or 5
>Artstyle 5

Beyond: Two Souls:^)

Super Metroid has a better story than every single game on this list.

>b-buh games need to be artistic and have character development

Then go back to /lit/ or Sup Forums.

I dont know, I've never played a weather simulator

Destroying cities with tornadoes in sim city was always good fun, but thats the closest I've ever gotten to a "weather sim"

Nigger I posted a template right here

>Story 1
>Music 1
>Artstyle 5
Holy fuck kill yourself.

complexity and intricacy ≠ quality though. I'm not far into my first DF run, and I can see it's complex, but it all feels very mechanical and procedural, and not open to possibilities like maybe SpaceChem. maybe I just have shit imagination.

>Game needs a win state to be considered a game
This is such retarded thinking.

Furi is close to perfect game
5/5 gameplay
Story read a book
Graphics 2/5
Music 5/5
Artstyle 5/5

sanitarium

user that's just tf2

>go to Sup Forums if you want a good story

this
Though I'd still put 1-2 pts in graphics, since 3d

5
4
2
4
5

Art style >>>>>> Graphics

>tf2
>even if referring to pre-F2P tf2
kys

The answer is no, a weather simulation is not a good or substantive game.
But it is vastly more complicated than DF.

>Pac Man did technically end. There's a glitch after Stage 255.
It's not by design, though. By that logic, all games end at the heat death of the universe.

>any numbered Final Fantasy
>good story

>posting tumblr in defense
Fucking lol'd

10/10 if troll 7/10 if copypasta

I like df but there is definitely some truth to this.

A lot of that is shit.
>kotor 2
>NV
>LISA
>finalfag 7
>ME
Nah man. Mediocre at best.

My penis weenis of course
My peeenis weeeenis

>You're favorite gaems are shit

>A weather simulator is not a good or substantive game

Says the person who never even played one.

There are some interesting concepts that come along with that idea, and I wouldnt dismiss it offhand.

my perfect game would be
5
4
5
1
5

really, I'm a musician but I can't give that much of a shit about music in a vidya

>I know it sounds retarded, but it makes sense to me

I bet you just mute the games and listen to your own music.

>argument is bad because image is bad
then again, neither post has an argument

>complexity of the underlying simulation = depth of the game mechanics

Not sure what the fuck you're on about, and even if we hold that to be true I can't think of many games running a more complex simulation than DF, which keeps track of shit like water phases and the individual internal organs of its characters.

that's pretty much right if you post tumblr your opinion is discarded here newfriend

He's right complexity of simulation does not imply deep game mechanics.

is this argument just a meme at this point? No sane human can possibly believe that someone enjoying a game for the story or not caring at all about the story is somehow wrong. Different people like different things. If there's a market for games with story someone will make games with a story and vice versa. It's called capitalism

Video Games are the only medium that combine film, music, architecture, and sport into one.