Besides Squaresoft there were little to no big time JRPG makers...

Besides Squaresoft there were little to no big time JRPG makers. Squaresoft carried the genre and now that they're declining the genre is dying a slow and painful death

But FFXV has revitalized JRPGs. I hope future games are similar.

Things of this nature don't die. They just turn into something else.

I want to say you are wrong, but Star Ocean 5, World of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest Builders, and Final Fantasy XV were all disappointing.

>Sega
>Atlus
>Falcom

Fuck off, moron.

Falcom

All low quality weebshit

>There hasn't been a single JRPG that has been able to top Shining Holy Ark

It's weird how little forays into JRPG's by other companies in general turned out to be more fun and creative in 3 or 4 titles than a whole slew of FF titles. Both Suikoden and Breath of Fire (2-4) feel very fresh compared to any FF titles but still maintain that nice classic turn-based JRPG feel to them.

Can't think of a single FF that touches Suikoden II except for maybe IX and V. (VI gets an honorable mention)

How can you even say "Squaresoft" without instantly thinking about Enix?

>Breath of Fire 2-4

How the fuck do you go from being one of the greatest franchises in video game history to killing your entire series with one game?

Loss of critical devs that was key in the previous games.

Happened with Suikoden IV too. V tried to salvage it and was a half-decent game, but the damage had already been done.

I will admit there was something special about FF games at a time, and not many if any rpgs have captured that same feeling since.

When was the last time Sega published a AAA JRPG?

I love Squaresoft, kingdom hearts 1 was da shitz.
But they've long been dead

Atlus, Falcom, NIS, Gust, Level-5, just to name few.

All those devs are everything wrong with the japanese industry

Because they dont make PC ports of their games?

Shit with the exception of the occasional Level-5 game.

No just content

yes but with no open world, more different party members and women include, with option to play with them, no films or series, no book, just the game, more slow story relate, not rushed like xv, more differnte locations, mapa mundi
combat is good but a bit hard to control

>BoF 4
ehhhhh

I just want a JRPG with a female religious zealot MC that travels the world on many missions seeking to purify the land of heretics while fighting the demons of hell.

i miss enix. the merger fucked both companies up

Sounds like a good wholesome premise for dungeon crawling

>revitalized JRPGs
Where? The people that I hear praising this game the most are either Kingdom Hearts fans or don't like most JRPGs.

Jeanne D'Arc on the PSP

I tried it but I couldn't stick with it. I hate tile-based games they're so incredibly slow even worse than turn based. Very tedious and no fun to be had. They're the one kind of game I won't play.

Most of Falcom games are on PC. Hell, most of them were on PC first, and then ported to consoles. There are even some PC exclusives among their games.

FFXV is great.

Just camping with my bros picking mushrooms to taunt big monsters while awakening gods for my firance.

Pretty damn comfy senpai.

Plenty of studios are still making jrpgs. When XIII dropped, the genre as a whole fell, but not dead. Many games are still being released, people choose to ignore them as their fave FF series falls into ruins. XV kinda brings it back up, slowly. Jrpg genre is an acquired taste. Either you are invested in it, or dont.

Sega, Enix, Capcom have all made great JRPGs

>Those beautiful fluid sprites
>The far eastern sound track
>Combos
>That party/battle system FFX tried to rip off

4 was superior to 3 in everything but story and that's because 4 was rushed at the end. It's still an amazing game and one of my GOAT.

what a shitty looking game. it looks too damn cute. No, fuck that. If you're going after heretics, shit needs to have a darker style

by being born before 2000.

All those jrpgs stick to the same shitty anime artstyles and the same character archetypes. It's fucking stagnant as shit right now.

I just wish so many companies that have great jrpg ips weren't just letting them rot in favor of funding their next big triple flop. Sony could damn well afford to make a new wild arms or arc the lad but nope, let that shit rot then make a mobage out of them to shut the fans up about no new game

then play skyrims forever.

The old always make way for the young, it's how the world works.

>skyrim

No thanks. I rather just not touch any of the modern shitty games. It's a sad state of affairs right now, but Im not going to sink low enough to eat the low bar shit just cause it's all we have.

Squaresoft doesn't exist anymore though.

its called growing up.

>Besides Squaresoft there were little to no big time JRPG makers.
Meme yourself straight out of existence, buckaroo.

video games not growing up isnt an excuse

Anyone who was actually a JRPG fan was more hyped for Persona 5 than FF XV.
>The last good Final fantasy released 16 years ago
>Final Fantasy XIII was probably one of the worst JRPGs of all time, not kidding here
>Everyone knows that everything SE makes nowadays is garbage
>Meanwhile Persona 3, 4 and Catherine(done by the same team) were really good games, beloved by both public and critics
The only people who were more hyped for FFXV are either nostalgia fags who wanted to relive their childhood or AAA fags.

Persona is still shit, and that series did more harm to the jrpg genre than good.

I bet you think everything Is irrelevant compared to xenogears too,huh?

I'm more hyped. Persona is the only thing saving this gen but there's still too much filler to compete with the titans

>Persona is still shit
Personal opinion, they are basically the only JRPG with a big fanbase in the west right(and that was my point), besides FF who lives on the shadow of the past.

>and that series did more harm to the jrpg genre than good.
How so?There's barely any copies of the formula. Most of the games that tried to copy were low budget titles with barely any notoriety

>but there's still too much filler to compete with the titans
What do you mean?

Persona is the definition of "this is all we got". And the fans who liked the old FF games aren't the same ones who are going to like Persona. Persona is something else entirely, and is more akin to a cutesy VN with teenage and otaku themes than anything related to anyone who played something like FF 7.

Persona is too damn Japanese cultured. The reason we liked shit like FF7 and 8 is because it didn't look like kiddy shit, and had themes that didn't make us embarrassed to play them in the west. FFX was a godsend because it showed you can make a colorful game without it being a damn anime archetype visually or narratively, something most jrpgs miss the target on.

I love SMT, and hell I started with Persona 1, but I don't know why people adore PS3/4 so much. They take the worst aspects of Japanese games (real life simulators) and combine them with toned down SMT mechanics, which sucks.

They aren't awful, but they aren't that great either.

Everyone who shits on Falcom here are fucking faggots with no taste at all. Ys and Xanadu practically invented the ARPG genre, Legend of Heroes is one of the best SRPG series of all time, and they all are still going strong.

>hype for Persona 4.1
>at all
Why bother when I can just play another SMT game? FFXV was at least trying something new.

Exactly why I always liked SMT. They always try to do something different. But Persona has been doing the same thing since the 3rd game.

No one cares about Ys. There's been a bunch of superior arpgs released over the years, and we can give a damn about that shitty anime series. Falcom isn't relevant and their logo is shit tier.

By being a shitty Zelda wannabe. If I wanted that I'd play Zelda. At least Squaresoft did something unique and exciting when they made Kingdom Hearts.

Fuck you. Name five (5) arpgs better than, The Oath in Felghana or Ys 7.

>Legend of Heroes is one of the best SRPG series of all time,
>best
>SPRG series
What?

I'm only going to name one cause you don't deserve five, you short sighted faggot.

The Legend of Zelda.

Party-based Ys is particularly shit. Apparently VIII is alright, though. Haven't played it, so I can't say.

>FFX was a godsend because it showed you can make a colorful game without it being a damn anime archetype visually or narratively
Except for the part where the game was deeply rooted in Southern Japanese cultural inspirations and the overwhelming majority of the characters were anime archetypes with ridiculously anime inspired designs.

Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne.

Much better than anime artsyle shit like the Tales or Xeno series.

this is a good thing. hopefully when it fully dies you weebs go somewhere else so we can finally have a good fps thread without you faggots ree-ing all the time...

That was the best part

>it's a nintendodrone
Not saying anything against LoZ, but you won't play the same series everytime, right?

>and is more akin to a cutesy VN with teenage and otaku themes than anything related to anyone who played something like FF 7.
It may seem like that on the surface, but for me Persona has far more depth than any Final Fantasy game had, and this is coming from someone who played all games in the series besides 1, 2 and lightning Returns.

>The reason we liked shit like FF7 and 8 is because it didn't look like kiddy shit, and had themes that didn't make us embarrassed to play them in the west.
This is so funny. The way all Final fantasy games dealt with their themes is incredibly childish, they had simple stories, with character with barely any depth at all, simple themes and were literally full of anime/japanese tropes as well. The only reason why you think like that of Persona and not of FF is because of its anime visual and the highschool setting and probably because you were a child when you played FFVII, which is a really shallow way to judge something. Persona actually tries to convey interesting themes in unconventional ways, especially for vidya standards, it has character who act in a credible way instead of being caricatures like in most final fantasy games and it presented the JRPG genre with a new formula instead of being standard like FF and most JRPGs were for decades.

>Persona is too damn Japanese cultured
So?Art forms are often representations of the culture where they came from, the USA does that all the time, so I don't see what's wrong with persona doing it.

>FFX was a godsend because it showed you can make a colorful game without it being a damn anime
>He actually thinks that FFX is mature
Kek

Gust, Falcom and Atlus (aka the best JRPG developers) still exist and make great games yet people care about Square.
>m-muh big budget

When was the last time they published AAA anything besides Yakuza?

>fps fly thinks he has any ground to look down on
Embarrassing

>Persona 4.1
Except for the fact that P5 improved almost every aspect of P3 and P4
>b-but it's the same formula
No shit, it's the same franchise, of course they will use the formula since that's exactly the reason why people like it. Do you think that Dark Souls is shit because it uses the same formula as Demon's Souls?

>Why bother when I can just play another SMT game?
Because they aren't the same thing?Not even close?I don't know why people compare SMT with Persona when they strive for completly different things

>The only reason why you think like that of Persona and not of FF is because of its anime visual and the highschool setting
Welcome to what defines most rpg concepts, you dumbass. You said exactly what I said before. Persona is shit for pandering to grade school manchildren and women that are already attracted to that weeb pandering shit. You and your peers are everything wrong with jrpgs and I wish you actually had competition instead of Atlus and Square having a stronghold on the entire jrpg genre with their AAA monopolies.

>improved on every aspect
>but is still the same formula
Persona 4.1.

>Because they aren't the same thing?
Yeah, you're right. It's worse than SMT.

>Why do people always compare them?
Because it's a spin-off of SMT. "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona. It takes after the main series to some extent.

>Do you think that Dark Souls is shit because it uses the same formula as Demon's Souls
No, not necessarily. Dark Souls is actually pretty good.

No you retard nigger, that's judging something based on superficial aspects. Basically judging a book by its cover based on your personal logic.
>muh highschool
So what?Are you implying you can't make great and mature stories using highschool kids?When was the last time you actually read a book?Try to judge something based on what it is and what it really does and not on how it looks

You sound like the kind of retard who says that Cowboy Bebop and GiTS are the best anime ever because you think that having a western visual automatically makes something more mature than having a more traditional anime visual.

>No you retard nigger, that's judging something based on superficial aspects

Welcome to the video game industry, you retard. Most games have died because of their superficial aspects. There's a reason the Sony PS sold better in America than the N64. There's a reason all game companies invest in visual media more than the gameplay aspects. Learn your shit and realize Persona is shit for its weeb-catering themes and visuals. Video games are nothing more than candy to pass the time with. If I don't like its visuals are its super shitty setting, I don't like it, period. Fuck off.

>revitalized
>worst selling main title in the last decade

Pokemon was and is still the biggest jrpg franchise.
XCX is the most ambitious modern jrpg, if we exclude sales and popularity.

>Persona is shit for its weeb-catering themes and visuals
>criticizes japanese game for being japanese
Are you done being retarded?

There wasn't a divide between JRPG and WRPG as there is now: They were simply called "RPGs." Also, with you saying "Squaresoft," I can assume you are talking of the SNES/Genesis era. Therefore:
Enix(Dragon Quest, Brain Lord);
Atlus(SMT, MT);
Hal(Arcana, Earthbound);
Sega(Phantasy Star, Shining Force);
Falcom(Ys, Dragon Slayer);
Capcom(Breath of Fire, also published SNES Wizardry+Eye of Beholder),
etc.

>Persona 4.1.
I know right?All legend of zeldas are OoT.1, just like Dark Souls is Demon's Souls.1 and MSG 2 is MSG 1.1. What's your point?

>Yeah, you're right. It's worse than SMT.
SMTs are mostly based on turn based battles that are okay but not great, there's barely any story or characterization and many people find dull because of it. The only thing that I have to give the franchise credit for is atmosphere and innovation, they are completly different from anything you will find in the JRPG market.

>Because it's a spin-off of SMT. "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona. It takes after the main series to some extent.
I know that, doesn't change what I said.

>No, not necessarily. Dark Souls is actually pretty good.
Congratulations. You made a post and said nothing at all. Your entire post consists of ''it's like that because I say so''.

>Cowboy Bebop and GiTS are the best anime ever because you think that having a western visual automatically makes something more mature than having a more traditional anime visual
Yes. Because japanese "culture" is a load of bullshit and it needs to go.

Fuck off. take your art form shit definitions to somewhere like reddit where they may actually suck your dick.

>There's a reason the Sony PS sold better in America than the N64
That's because it had more games. There's no surprise there.

It was also because it wasnt kiddy shit and didn't encourage japanese-anime tropes styles like Mario did.

>There's a reason the Sony PS sold better in America than the N64.
Because Nintendo hates, and has always hated, third parties.

>japanese-anime tropes styles
>Mario
Mentally deranged.

>Most games have died because of their superficial aspects
So?Are you implying that you don't mind being a mindless sheep who takes wide conclusions about things based merely on superficial aspects?Because that's what you're saying. I don't care if some people do it, I'm saying that you shouldn't do it because it's stupid. You're missing on a great number of great products with this kind of mentality

>e Persona is shit for its weeb-catering themes and visuals.
What's weeb-catering about Persona themes?Persona 3 theme is about how people deal with death and 4 is about searching for the truth in a mist of lies. You're probably mixing theme with setting and in that case, you're again criticizing the game based on shallow shit. It's like something that Naughty Dog games are masterpiece because they have great graphics.

> If I don't like its visuals are its super shitty setting, I don't like it, period. Fuck off
Okay nigger, but that's just your opinion, not a fact or even a convincing argument.

>Besides Squaresoft there were little to no big time JRPG makers. Squaresoft carried the genre
Dragon Quest was always bigger than FF in Japan. Enix were the kings . We only know Squaresoft in the west.

>what is manga

You retarded millennial

Keep sucking on your self-justifying dick of thinking there's anything more in a video game. You're what's wrong with the industry. Normally, the free market would have silenced you, but unfortunately, the industry cooked itself into a hole it can't get out of, so keep eating shit like the shit eater you are.

...

>Gust

Whoa there, slow down.

Genre is far from dying. Most titles are budget on handhelds but there'/ plenty coming to consoles.

>Besides Squaresoft there were little to no big time JRPG makers.

>Enix
>Sega
>Falcom
>Atlus
>Sony
>Namco
>Bandi
>Nippon Ichi Software

Some others I can't think of atm. So yeah, just because your underage ass don't know doesn't mean they don't exist.

Gust makes great autism simulators. Its just buried in bright colors and yuri.

>What's your point
It's a series that is largely not worth playing. Not sure how that's hard to miss. Not much reason to get excited about a new installment.

>Doesn't change what I said
Okay. Don't ask a question if you don't want it answer. Games that are related to a main series are going to be compared to the main series.

>You made a post and said nothing at all
I restated my point, which is that Persona is shit. I wouldn't consider Dark Souls to be shit, based on the fact that it takes after Demon's Souls. Why? Because it's actually a rather good game.

Whereas Persona 3, 4, and 4.1 are generally shallow JRPGs with some likable characters. Not quite as much to like here.

I want to play a decent modern dungeon crawler, like, Wizardy-style. The last one I've played was The Dark Spire, it was really cool. Any suggestions?

It's always funny seeing weebos chase for scraps at the bottom of the barrel to justify their lack of quality games.

I guess I shouldn't speak on Persona 5's behalf, given that I have no experience with it, but if it's in the same vein as Persona 4, then it's just going to be another average game.

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