>Final Fantasy XV won't reach half the sales of Pokemon Sun & Moon.
>Pokemon Sun & Moon is also a modern RPG
>Pokemon Sun & Moon was able to modernize the genre without removing turned based combat.
What's going on? I thought turned based combat was too dated for people?
Pokémon is the "Japanese marketing machine" and it is a rated for kids.
It has nothing to do with quality, the difference is only due to better brand recognition and a larger potential market share.
>the last guardian
ico is getting the axe isnt it?
>FFXV drop
expected but still shit
>mario maker
that shit barely droped
How doez yakuza sales compare to yakuza 5?
the series been in a decline since 4
Final Fantasy is too unknown of a brand for turned base combat?
worse than 5
yakuza 5 opened with 100k more, but is still the best selling yakuza on ps4.
At some point sega will have to look for a way to keep the series relevant.
What the hell were you expecting in regards to TLG?
Face it, Ico and SotC were never really powerhouse blockbusters, and SotC sold double what TLG did in its debut week, with a really heavy marketing campaign. They were more obscure stuff that got a lot of streetcred because they were good in their own right, and now everybody namedrops them for internet points.
Watch the same shit happen to Shenmue if and when it comes out.
i expect at least 100k for the studio to be kept at least.
>It has nothing to do with quality
Hahaha
haha
Active games fans BTFO
Absolutely
I think it has less to do with turn based combat and more with the fact that XV is utter shit.
I noticed this back in 09 when FFXIII released alongside SoulSilver and HeartGold, and the pokemon games had more complex character stats and gameplay.
Pokemon is a deeper RPG than Final Fantasy XV, and it's a kids game.
Most FF games use some variant of ATB and so aren't actually turn based. I mean I like FFX but idk why you'd get so mad about the franchise going in the opposite direction. I would always take decent character action-y combat over fumbling with menus when I'm under a time limit.
If they used the ATB combat from VII-X, it would be dated, alienate new players, and hurt sales according to Square-Enix.
Do you agree? If so, how has Pokemon outsold FFXV without including an ATB system?
Mad isn't the right word, I just feel like the changes they made to the Final Fantasy formula have been very misguided and arbitrary.
I think a lot of players would hope for something more akin to just a HD remodel of FF VII rather than this "modernization" that Square-Enix never seems to get right.
With this game (and FFXIII) I now feel free from this franchise. I understand that some people like somewhat of a more action-oriented approach, but I have Souls, MH, and character action for stuff like that.
Real RPG's will always be turn based to me (or at least very deliberate in the combat decisions you make), and for that reason SMT will carry on as my favorite JRPG franchise.
I'm so glad FFXV is a complete failure
this desu kek
Worse gameplay than fucking 13. Let that sink in for a moment guys
>weeb
>No gf
>Poor
>Living with your parents and leeching their money
What faillure you are.
Pokemon was able to revitalize the franchise, bring new fans without having to discard or shit on the old ones. It was welcoming to both old and new fans. It treated them both with respect.
FFXV tried too hard to get the normie money and got nothing at the end.
SMT4 sold well, bravely default sold well, persona 5 will likely reach the sad XV numbers, pokemon buttfucked every one of them...
Why are people saying turn based combat would scare anyone?
What an embarrassing reply. This is an 18+ board you know?
So much this. If you want action you have bayonetta, dmc, mh, souls, some chink mmos like pso2 and ddo. Even the average licensed shovelware that platinum shits from time to time is better (tmnt, transformers, etc). There was no need.
>What faillure you are
still not as much of a failure as FFXV
It's just way too dated, kids won't understand why things have stopped.
we are 100% certain that people want to just hold a button to attack, and that it's the best form of gameplay for an RPG.
This is when you should have known you were in trouble.
>I think a lot of players would hope for something more akin to just a HD remodel of FF VII rather than this "modernization" that Square-Enix never seems to get right.
>WE WANT REMAKE OF FFVII
>REMAKE
>REMAKE
>REMAKE
>SE actually goes for a REMAKE
>WTF WE NEVER ASKED FOR THIS???? JUST GIVE BETTER MODELS????
I knew it would be shit in 2006 when I saw a trailer showing Sasuke being "badass" by teleporting around killing guys, his eyes flash red, then he walks back inside and broods on a chair. Literally the poster child of everything wrong with action anime/manga.
Fuck that shit.
>MH for action combat
No.
>Pretending that XV is the only ARPG in the existence
No.
Kids play pokemon. Pokemon is turn based. And arguably the most complex jrpg in the market. And its aimed to kids. Also a commercial success.
Whatever you have against turn based jrpgs, pokemon just denies your arguments
>remake means changing the genre
Oh boy, can't wait for that RTS Quake remake
people will overlook gay weeb shit if the gameplay is solid
>Pokemon is turn based. And arguably the most complex jrpg
this is actually true, hence Bayonetta 2
To be fair Witcher 3 combat is equally shit but at least is a competent rpg and also a graphicwhore dream. Lrts not forget it has more content. Its quality and quantity.
At worst it's going to be "A" added to the JRPG.
>RTS Quake remake
Completely nonsensical example.
>not when they announced all the spin-off shit like Kingsglaive, Brotherhood and the season pass
Kingsglaive was actually okay.
>arguably the most complex jrpg in the market. And its aimed to kids.
How many kids give a shit about how complex it is though?
They've already shown VII combat, the A replaces the J.
>FFXV sold poorly because it wasn't turn based and not because of the myriad fucking number of problems at SE over the course of a decade
are nintendo fans and/or pokefags actually this retarded?
>Completely nonsensical
Exactly what FF7 Remake and the compilation is. The game is made from ADHD brain dead fucks who like AC and KH and never played FF7.
optional competitive depth is a smart way to appeal to new and old players.
thats all just dumb shit that doesn't necessarily reflect on the products quality, just that they're doubling down on it
game aesthetics aside, that message is when you know the game will be objectively of questionable quality
I don't understand why do people want action combat out of RPGs of all things. One of the pillas of RPG design is putting character skill above player skill.
Considering there's no other well known RPG where you can battle others, he's right
>FFXV didn't sell poorly because it told fans of the 30 year old series to go fuck themselves
So Kingdom Hearts is not a Japanese Role Playing Game because it has Action combat?
>Exactly what FF7 Remake and the compilation is.
What?
>The game is made from ADHD brain dead fucks who like AC and KH and never played FF7.
I have played them and I still dig it. I kind of love how people act like the old combat was any good at all when it was piss easy. Don't worry though, Nomura has easy mode planned for you guys.
That's because Pokemon is the CoD of Japan, no matter how much you try to deny it.
Wow, good for yakuza 6
Souls series
>inb4 muh arbitary genre definitions
Oh yeah, action rpgs from square enix. So much harder.
KH is button mashing piece of shit
FFXV is a button HOLDING piece of shit
Thanks for proving the ADHD comment correct.
>modernize the genre
>by adding in assloads of cutscenes and making non-boss battles easier
Modern games are shit
Don't forget checkpoint that only takes you back 5 seconds before you die
>just that they're doubling down on it
When they make a bunch of side content to explain details of the story instead of putting it in the game itself they run the risk of spreading it too thin. I haven'y actually played XV yet but it seems like they ended up doing just that.
Thanks for clarifying that you don't actually play the games but you still insist on shitting on them while whining about how others didn't play game X.
The biggest joke is that in FFVII you only had to use attack, heal and buff occasionally to beat that shit with no effort at all. So in a sense you were just brainlessly mashing confirm button.
You do know these sales do not include digital sales, and fucking nobody buys digital shit on nintendo, unlike on ps4, because nintendo's online is absolute dogshit.
Bravely default It was a barely marketed, new ip, low budget, 240p game. Sold 400k in jp against XV's 800k.
Sorry but we are into something here.
XV even had anime, cars, movies, 10 years of marketing, its own tv show, a shit ton of development updates, etc. For 800k sales and a 90% drop.
Its clear it would have been better received as turn based.
Protip: See Persona 5, a very niche jrpg despise what the fans think (best selling game sold only 1m) doing XV numbers. Oh and its turn based.
sounds like modern games to me
>[citation needed]
>implying wasting hours of time because you forgot to save is any better
*haven't
it isn't doing gangbusters because:
A) FFXIII was dogshit. Even normies know this. The next game after a poorly received one always under performs regardless of quality (see: DMC3). FFXI and FFXIV are removed from this equation (even though FFXIV was shit on release also).
B) Character design is just plain bad. No way around it. Outfits are bland, nothing especially fantastical or unique about any of them. They also look like fags, which immediately acts against it for a western audience. Clearly made for Japanese female shut-ins and American land-whale yaoi fans.
C) FF has no brand sway anymore. All the hardcore fans migrated to Dragon Quest or SMT (or even Bravely) since SE only releases one real FF a fucking generation now. All thats left are hipsters with no loyalty who don't even know what a good game looks like.
D) Absolutely nothing about this game has any wow factor. Nothing about it can be shown to normies and make them think "Well hot shit, I gotta play me some of that!". Graphics don't impress anymore and the gameplay is action-light. Boring.
Are you so autistic and unable to disconnect from video games that you take a change in gameplay as a personal slight against you?
People still like turn based. I don't know where this meme keeps coming from that they don't. Just look at Pokemon and Persona.
I love it when the braindead KHfags prove they really do have ADHD.
Why do Sup Forums care about sales? shitposting?
I mean you should know by yourself what game is good or not.
the problem with final fantasy was that it lose it's own appeal, which was in some part being an impressive, immersive turn based RPG.
If i want action RPG i play tales of.
If i want Turn based i play persona.
What's left for FF? yeah no identity thanks.
Japs are more into portables and mobile shit as opposed to consoles. That's all it is.
And they have awful shit taste by voting FFXIII as their favorite FF game so that doesn't help either.
Are you such a pathetic brand loyalist that you'll buy anything with certain titles printed on the cover?
>My only counter-arguments are to call him a KHfag, braindead and claim that he has ADHD
>Yeah, these will definitely prove me right
What did you mean by this?
>What's left for FF? yeah no identity thanks.
You do realise that you're talking about a game series that constantly switched combat around in different ways, right?
>Its clear it would have been better received as turn based.
Or maybe it's because the FF franchise just isn't as big of a deal as it used to be? 14 was so bad it had to be rebuilt from square one and it led to the creation of the 13 trilogy when lots of people didn't like 13 to begin with.
This is the only real Final Fantasy game since 2001
whoa last guardian actually came out? that flew under my radar
Nobody cares that you're a lapsed fan. Go neck yourself with your gunblade bitch nigga
>immersive turn based RPG.
You only played 1-3 and 10?
Mediocre as fuck that people meme up because it was 360 exclusive. It's completely forgettable experience.
>constantly switched combat
>FF1-4 are turnbased
>FF12 plays itself
>FF5-13 are ATB
WOW, so much switching
FFIV is ATB.
Still mostly turn based for 1-10 and tactics.
I know you will say shit about MUH ATB, it's still the same for me.
I enjoyed chronicles as a spin off, but the problem is when they give a spin off battle system to a main serie game.
Just what we needed in addition to the turnfags: Microsoft drones meming about their precious exclusive that people rightly forgot about.
It's sad how FFXV-kun actually succeeded in brainwashing some poor weak anons.
Uh, only I-III and X are turnbased.
IV-IX, X-2-XIII-3 are all atb games but each one of them switches around aspects of the combat with job systems, materia, junctions and such. It's never the same.
>FF12 plays itself
This is a literal dank meme.
>Still mostly turn based for 1-10
No. Funnily enough X-2 to XIII-3 would still be ATB as in, turn-based for you, but for some reason you're skipping them.
> it's still the same for me.
And RTS and TBS are the same to me - no difference at all.
>FFXV-kun
Don't mention that nigger, this thread's bad enough already.
>I know you will say shit about MUH ATB, it's still the same for me.
People who argue that ATB isn't turn based because the TURN ORDER isn't set have serious mental issues
That's just another one of the "triple a" industry's forced memes. Some major release of a genre doesn't outsell the yearly cod and all of a sudden it's dead and needs to be reworked into something completely different. It's happened multiple times and it's been wrong almost every time. The lone exception was arguably pc adventure games.
Sony swept it under the rug because they knew it was half-baked garbage
Final Fantasy brand isn't growing with a new base. It just tries to lure back old fans, even when they say otherwise.
Bravely Default had benefit of being new IP and hiding the fact that they only made 50% of an actual game and then re-used assets all the way to the end.
They are trying to derail the thread away from the topic.
FF15 is a failure and FF fans did not want it. The sales prove it.
I don't give a flying shit about XV-kun.
People who insist on the same old combat when it comes to FF are just plain simply fans of the wrong series since it constantly does combat differently.
FF received permanent damage to their brand from FFXIV 1.0 and the Lightning games. This isn't hard to put together user.
wait its bad? like actually bad or didn't live up to the decade of hype bad?
>Play a turn-based game
>You must complete turn before enemy can do theirs
>Play ATB game
>Enemy can do their turn without giving a hoot about you
How exactly is it turn-based? I mean ATB is fucking short for ACTIVE TIME BATTLE.
"Constantly" as in "In my extremely limited experience that started on PS2"
>since it constantly does combat differently.
Just stop with this pathetic falsehood.
FF1-10 largely play the same. Just slight differences in turn order and jobs and magic mechanics.
Newsflash Einstein, EVERY JRPG SERIES DOES THIS. Not all Suikoden games have the exact same combat, Not all Wild Arms games have the exact same combat, Not all SMT games have the exact same combat,etc.
Not even fucking Pokemon does.
It's turn based with an annoying gremlin that yells at you to wade through those menus faster.
poor camera control and dull
Not offensively bad, just not especially good. Unlike Ico and SotC, people won't talk about this game in 5 years other than the hype around it.
Because you take literal defined turns you mong. It just isn't round based, technically.
>turn order isn't set so I'm not taking a TURN to act
Eat shit FFXV-kun.
Don't reply.
>FF1-10 largely play the same
I didn't know Final Fantasy 2 was on PS2!
>FF1-10 largely play the same. Just slight differences in turn order and jobs and magic mechanics.
No.
>Le every poster I don't agree with is XV-kun
Jesus fuck dude. I haven't even bought XV yet.
>Because you take literal defined turns you mong.
How the fuck do I take literal defined turns in ATB when enemy is constantly attacking me?
>reaction image and a "no"
Great arguments kids. You are wrong.
Now let's get back on topic to how FF15 is a failure.
Final Fantasy was always meant to be realtime, you idiots.