What is the best Final Fantasy and why is it Xenogears?

What is the best Final Fantasy and why is it Xenogears?

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>no porn of elly

Overrated pretentious tripe

maybe bravely default

Xenogears has mechs so....

It was good but had obviouse flaws. We need an actual AAA tier remake of it normies would rage

If anything it's underrated.

No one's heard of it except old people and turbonerds and everyone and their brother has heard of FF7 which is a vastly inferior game.

Tell me of this game, wise ones.

WHO NAMES THEIR GIANT ROBOTS "WELTALL"?

REE

Alright, from someone who recently played it for the first time. It's good. Not a 10/10 masterpiece in anyway, but it's a good jrpg.

Has an actual fighting game in it where you can play as all the mechas and the giant monsters. The story is more interesting than the average jrpg. (although disc 2 has less gameplay)


My only real complaint about the game is Emeralda didn't get as much screentime as the other characters.

Who else loved the battle arena?

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As someone who doesn't even like JRPGs due to all the grinding, should I even try playing it?

Emeralda has the most awesome backstory of any JRPG ever so that more than makes up for it.

Japs, since they have a weird fetish for the German language.

I don't think I ever grinded on Xenogears. Then again I only remember explicitly grinding on DQ games.

So does FF6

I didn't even grind in Xenogears honestly. I fought a few extra battles exploring, but that's it.

Xenogears is actually pretty cool because of little things like platforming (even though some people didn't like this) and button inputs like fighting games for super attacks. The mechs are super cool, and the story is pretty compelling if you're going into it blind. The antagonists are extremely fleshed out and feel like actual characters going through shit. It all feels like it's building up to something grand and epic. A lot of mysteries about the main character.

The ending kinda confused me though, I was expecting some mindfuck but instead it ended on the most standard happy ending ever.

Now you just reminded me of the horribly bad german that the girl spoke in Evangelion.

I think you could rename mechs in this game couldn't you?

Just finished it last week

Shit
>Combat is shit and slow
>Super high encounter rate
>Takes awhile to really get going (like 8-10 hours before shit really hits the fan)
>Text speed is slow
>Platforming sections make you want to die
>Disc 2 more or less stops being a JRPG and becomes a VN with boss battles

Good
>Some of that early 3D background sprite work is really nice
>It has cool ideas even if the execution isn't very good
>The lore is good
>Robots are cool
>The Christian imagery isn't incomprehensible and actually makes sense in the sci-fi context, anyone who tells you otherwise is a drooling retard
>Pretty good cast
>Protag gets laid

I wouldn't go that far, the whole "being created in a lab" thing is pretty common. But she is cute. And she grew when dad hugged her

Mechs are more important and are playable in Xenogears. There's even a fighting game where you get to battle in real time.

Weltall is a great name for a giant robot.

What would you call it, Destructatron?

In what age would a JRPG protagonist not have some kind of vehicle? I know battle capable ones are rare though

>text speed is slow

fuck that other shit, this is the real problem. and you can't skip cutscenes/dialogue either

I'd probably name it Megas or something.

disc 2 [/spoilers]

I think this is a pretty neat thingamabob I've stumbled on.

I bought it on day one. It received FAR too much hype. People think back on the story, yet forget the sewer level, and just about every other level. It had atrocious level design and was boring.

The team eventually went on to create the disaster known as the Xenosaga series.

Yeah stay away from playing this game legit.

Play it in an emulator and have speed up bound to something easily accessible like L3 or spacebar and then just tap that anytime you get into a fight or to speed along those slow as fuck text boxes.

Yeah, see you are terrible at naming robots.

You're the "I want to make a reference to something silly" type of guy.

Make sure you play the undub. It also fixes the controls.

That's such an American sounding name (even though I know what it's from) like Optimus Prime. I personally would pick a French name for my personal mech like I did for my Skell/Doll in XCX.

>yet forget the sewer level,
What's wrong with the sewer level? That shit was great.

What are you going to name yours then? Fagtron?

I've seen people on the internet complaining about the sewer level and the tower. I could see a kid playing it on PS1 struggling with it, but it wasn't really that bad.

I remember being surprised when the sewer level boss impaled the fuck out of my party member and blood was spraying. From the beginning, it was just typical rpg sprites now all of a sudden fucking gore. The platforming can be janky at times but the areas were all pretty good by jrpg standards.


I never really get the whole "Oh people hyped this too much!" as a flaw. Xenogears isn't the masterpiece some people claim it is but let's be fair. It's a good game.

Is it because Rico is obviously just Ganondorf?
Because he is.

Why does Citan stab through himself to stab the enemy? Does his blood contain some kind of special properties that would harm the enemy?

Ganondorf doesn't actually have elf ears though

I legit thought he was Blanka though.

A lot more like Blanka.

idk but Yoshimitsu from Tekken/Soul Calibur does that as well so maybe it's just a meme.

>my friend is getting married
>explode the town
>punch a T-rex in a cave
>get into fighting tournament
>midget brother of dead bride you murdered does a lou thesz press punch combo on you
>get thrown in jail
>fight inmates
>robot battle arena all of a sudden
>painting
>butts

Sounds like that foreshadows Namco's acquisition of Monolith Soft assuming that appears in the earlier Tekken/Soul Calibur games.

There are all sorts of ways to can get good robot names.

Name them after historical people places or things, name them after mythological figures or objects. That's what seemingly most people end up doing, norse/egyptian mythology shit for some reason is especially popular with both western mechs and nip mechs.

The other option is taking common words and just throwing them into google translate and swapping languages until it sounds cool. That's what Xeno games tend to do with Kosmos/Weltall just being common words in German. Or just leave them in English like Zenith or Valor.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts after playing this recently.

I played it on release and I wasn't a fan of the maze-like dungeon design but I loved everything else about it. And fuck you Xenosaga was okay. 1 was okay, 2 was trash to be fair, but 3 was amazing.

This is the best Final Fantasy.

>maze-like dungeon design
I never got this, the dungeons were actually pretty straight forward and for stuff like the sewer they even gave you a map in game.

That's a cute couple of girls.

Playing this as a kid was pretty hellish due to the fact that I was a dumb kid and had difficulties reading the map.

my favourite game of all time

very complex, i recommend the book (xenogears: perfect works)

Pretty much this. I played it as a kid and it threw me for a loop and left me with old sour feelings.
Loved the rest of it though.

I thought Justin was a girl prior to buying the game. I was sad to find out he wasn't

I like the combat. Fuck everyone who disagrees.
It's incredibly satisfying to get out of the mech and beat up big ass dragons and giant mechs with bare fists after some stat boosting.

Same actually except he's still the cutest girl in the game

God tier:

>Xenogears
>FF VI
>Chrono trigger


Top tier:
>Grandia II
>Pokemon red/blue
>FF IX

Good tier:
>Skies of arcadia
>FF VII
>Xenoblade chronicles

>FF IX and VI before VII
I want this meme to end.

It means Cosmos in German iirc

I only grinded in the first dungeon, and that's because I was completely unfamiliar with how Xenogears worked.

The game relies on you to come up with equipment loadouts that optimize your party and gear's performance, and battle strategies.
If you grind it'll take way longer than it needs to, just play smart, not hard.

That's Kosmos, it means outer space.

Where is Suikoden II?

>FF7 babbies
Will this meme ever end?

I guess they're just synonyms then.

I literally cried when Areith Dieded ;(

This. The first hour is so fucking captivating, the archetypes are so masterfully used, that it re-ignited my love for jRPGs after a decade long hiatus.

Actually FF9 was my fist FF. Sure the beginning of the game was chaming, but it falls appart during disc three; anyone claiming it's one of the best ff is just blinded by nostalgia.

3 is overrated and its nothing really special. I mean its not outright shit like the first two,but not even worth living up to the Xeno name. Hell even the music didn't hit that hard.

>godsibb not hitting hard
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>combat is shit and slow
>text speed is slow
>platforming sections

These are really why this game is fucking ass, but the text speed is really what the problem is. DO NOT play this game normally, emulator only. I mean, unless you're a bumbling retard who actually reads as slow as the text scrolls

>played VI and IX before VII

> Kajiurashit

Ff8 > FF 6 = FF 7 > ff9

My favourite game of all time.

I agree that it does have some very bad flaws, like platforming (the Tower was horrendous) and clunky text speed.
However, the combat was good, albeit slow. Those 7-tier Deathblows were hype as fuck.

Sewer level was shit, that ring a bell plot was shit, boss was super fucking scary and shit.

It's shit I tell you, SHIT.

Not him, but.

>Sewers level was shit
The game literally gives you a map. If you are not a braindead retard, you can easily use it to navigate through the level.
>Bell plot was shit
It was a subplot that was later expanded, when you arrive in the orphanage. It also wasn't made for no reason like drama for the sake of drama, since it was also linked to the main plot and explained pretty bluntly.
>Super fucking scary and shit
How old are you, actually? The boss also was very easy if you take your time and learn about combo system (on of a few occasions this was useful) and learn some Citan's Ether skills, mainly Suiseii.