So, what went wrong?

So, what went wrong?

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selling the ip to bethesda

Todd Howard

Interplay's retarded fall from grace that led to them shutting down Black Isle 83% of the way done with Van Burren and selling off the franchise to one of the most normie AAA devs out there, Bethesda.

Brian fargo went full retardo and interplay died

Bethesda forcing their "time stopped in the wacky 50's" meme in order to better brand their new acquirement

Similar to how fucking much they push Nuka Cola for branding purposes

And FEV being fucking everywhere so that they can shove in Orcs as needed

yeah were the fuck did they get the fifties thing? Besides music there was nothing really relating to the fifties in the old fallouts.
>Van Bueren never ever
I'm not some asshole who is going to go on about how the old fallouts were better, in some ways they were more flawed even compared to bethesda's fallout. In my personal opinion they are better, but in this day and age Sup Forums is triggered by everything, but dammit i really do wanna see what van bueren would have been.

Bethesda

The game setting was set around the concept that everything went to shit in the 50's. So aesthetically there would still be shit left around from that time, but not to extend that Beth hammed it up.

That was part of why purists has issues with Humvees being in Tactics since they weren't around in the 50's.

It was supposed to be alternate history starting from the 50's, not we are eternally locked in the 50's despite the bombs dropping almost a century ago but no one made any progress or even just cleaned up a bit until you woke up. Beth also seem fixated on you having to come from a Vault each time.

It existed in 3D in any capacity.

Bethesda

I just want a wacky isometric rpg

Because what's the point of the IP if you don't focus on vaults and super mutants?

I want to replay 1 since the last time I got a really bad glitch with the forcefields that made it so they only went down for a single frame of animation, but Underrail's interface and controls have spoiled me, it's just too clunky now.

THANK YOU

Some people made an awesome setting about nukes and mutants and ruined it by making ugly 2d stat simulator games

But thankfully we got some real 3D shooting action from Bethesda, they know how to make an open world game with proper gameplay

I know this is bait, but the gunplay is fucking terrible

Nothing went wrong you fucking retards.
It just got better and better

>bethesda

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>Because what's the point of the IP if you don't focus on vaults and super mutants?

To explore how humanity has adapted or failed to adapt in a post-post-apocalyptic setting. Including the toll this takes on the human psyche, both yours and others. Whilst trying to find your place in this brave new world having been thrust into it for reasons beyond your control.

I'm not saying that Vaults should be ignored as they are a core component that facilitates a lot of the setting having preserved parts of the past. But we don't need the MC to be a fresh Vault dweller each time.

>Underrail

I'm enjoying Underrail too. Surprisingly simple in its setup and execution, but has enough there to keep me interested. And I like that the Dev/s are still keeping involved with it like they are.

No worries. I have nothing against the existence of Beth's Fallout games for the most part. They are entertaining. But they miss the point of the Fallout setting and suffer for that. Most of it could be reconciled if they just fudged the timeline so it is closer to after the bombs dropped and such.

My biggest gripe is that they simply don't care about established lore, and become extremely unprofessional and asshole when called out on that. Pete Hines has no place in PR.

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Bethesda

Any of you guys excited for ATOM?

>Inb4 Slavs

What happened to Interplay?

Forgot the link, it got Greenlit

>Pete Hines has no place in PR.
This. The Jet issue isn't a big deal at all, it's literally "just an oops because Jet is on the regular loot tables and Vaults don't have specific loot tables" but instead of a normal response like "it's something inconsequential and we're not going to fix it, sorry" it's "WHO THE FUCK CARES NERD?" That alone made it a MUCH bigger issue for a lot of people.

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fuck off shil

Video games became popular with normies again and every developer wants to chase the "casual" market, aka the 12-24 year old alt-normie demographic that plays CoD and Overwatch

I'm talking about Fallout 4

Fallout 3 and New Vegas were not that great but that's only because they used the Oblivion engine and didn't make a new engine to fit Fallout's style of gameplay

F4 is fine if you play it on survival.
But the simplified dialogue and lack of skills suck.

todd howard
pete hines
emil pagliarulo

the triumvirate of creative bankruptcy

Why did they use a thunder symbol on the o instead of a radioactive sign?

I feel like removing fast travel in survival was just their way of trying to get people to hate survival. Then they'd have an excuse to remove it, and with it have removed all "improvements" that Obsidian made to "their" game.

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Basically they made a lot of bad business decisions, one after the next. Even the original Fallout's weren't financial success. They were a big publisher and now they're 9 people.
>Triggered
Fuck off Bethesda faggot

A symbol for radiation would be too on the nose for the series and the lightning bolt actually fits.

No fast travel is cool, you get to explore and experience more. And you can unlock vertibird fast travel a few hours in if you really want.

Ditching dedicated fanbase in favor of larger casual fanbase.

guess what pays more ?

i have no idea

What is wrong with Slavs? At least when it comes to video games?

The ghoul kid inf the fridge too. PR and Customer Service really isn't that hard to do. He just needed to acknowledge and oversight happened, apologise, and say they will try to do better next time as it is unfortunately unfeasible to properly correct now.

I genuinely want to believe that Todd isn't a bad guy and is just in a situation where he has to make promises he knows he can't keep.

So basically they were publishing too many bombs and were trying to do things when they were financially fragile?

I really think it's Bethesda that's fucking up, and Todd just has to be the fall guy since he's kinda like their spokesperson.

It very much feels like he is just stuck in front of the bus at this point. All those resources and potential and he probably keeps getting held back.

But arguably that is what happens when you give up your soul to a big business like that.

In a way, I kinda feel bad for him.

i have no sympathy for todd after the litany of lies that was oblivion

Looks like plagiarised Fallout
Probably gonna be shit as a result. Not because Fallout is shit, but because they're trying to capture somebody else's magic

Wasn't there some higher-up in Bethesda who's literally a high school drop out with no formal training in anything related to the industry or programming?

Fire that guy.

That and they fucked thenselves royally with the deal with Bethesda. Those videos were from 2011 years before the lawsuit ended, but if you remember the Classic Fallout games being made unbuyable in Steam a year or so ago, Bethesda won completely. Fallout is theirs and theirs alone.

Bethesda. You can't complain because their doing the same thing to TES. I wouldn't be surprised if TESVI was even more dumbed down than FO4. Somewhere along the line they went from wanting to make money so they could make games to wanting to make games so they could make money.

Nothing went wrong
Fallout 4 turned out great and I'm expecting more DLC to come out for it so I can buy it

>not even Todd believes this

Sounds like Pete Hines. Even if it isn't him fire that cunt anyway.

They didn't give Obsidian enough time with NV. Also the gamebro engine.

Planet coaster did that and succeeded

I will never understand why Bethesda even wanted the IP if they were going to change it so much and not even understand the basic lore of it. Did they see the success of Bioshock and want a retrofuture series of their own, but were too lazy to think of something original?

There is a fine line between spiritual succession and homage, and plagiarism. I kind of agree with user that this looks a little like the latter unfortunately.

Not saying it can't work, but that will arguably potentially hurt it.

>New Vegas were not that great
You take that back.

>Buy established fanbase that you can rip off at least once
>Try to draw in normie bucks from people wanting to adopt geek culture
>Rinse and repeat

Same thing is happening with Star Wars. Why make new IPs when you can just milk old ones.

That is just the sad reality of things.

Yeah, but Fallout was completely unknown to normal people. They might've wanted to draw the people who did play the first two, but it's not what fans of the originals wanted so what was the point?

Bethesda came into the picture.

They had an idea for a campy 50's sci fi post apocalyptic setting and fallout was post apocalyptic with some established bad guys and factions they could use and abuse to by pass that hard part of making their own unique setting.

Bethesda can't finish games.

Bethesda don't make games anymore.

They make mountain climbing simulators.

Just without the mountains, or the climbing simulation aspect.

Why cant I just free the synths as father of the institute?
Why cant I have peace between the institute and the railroad?
Why can't I kill auther and become the leader of the brotherhood and make peace with the other factions?
Why doesn't auther react to me being father?
Why did bethesda try to do what obsidian did and fail in every way?

Oh that reminds me that you can download the demo for free and try it yourself

moddb.com/games/van-buren/downloads/van-buren-tech-demo

Shit, was Van Buren that close to being finished?

What didn't go wrong

I don't really have a problem making it an FPSRPG - in fact, I prefer it. I'll always prefer a game that puts me into my right into my character and let's me play it from that perspective.

The problem is Bethesda has trouble blending the RPG elements into the FPS.

200+ years is actually quite a long time
Why can't beth understand this