It was all a dream

>it was all a dream

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youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk&t=225s
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>I used to read word up! magazine

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Who would've won in a war between the Romans and the Qins?

This picture is straight up tumblr-tier.

Mediterranean really did help mantain an Empire

The Jews.

It's crazy how fast you can travel over water with sail alone. It looks so slow from land but what would be a two week journey by foot and horse takes just a few days by boat.

Inland seas are fucking OP.

>insert PONOS (East) to VAGOO (West)
>J-J-JAM IT IN!
>????
>profit

The shitloads of roads they built probably helped too

See that white space between the two empires?
Barbarians. Hordes of barbarians.

>Barbarians
Not really. The persians for example were not barbarians. They did however stop chinese ambassadors from reaching rome.

Such is the struggle of any PONOS-wielder. Barbarians. Barbarians EVERYWHERE.

North of the persians you goose.
All that eurasian steppeland. That shit is horde country.

Not all the people of the steeps were barbars. Some built sizable states and empires like the Khwarezmians.

>t. mongol

RIP user. For saying this he has lost his farmland, wife, and firstborn. His entire tribe will soon be washed away.

I'm gonna ride my horse through your city walls and straight into your ass. *throat singing sounds*

ROME HAS CONQUERED

Why is Sinai uncolored?

Would the Aztecs have gotten to be Rome tier if the Spainish didn't come?

>Founded their captial in the middle of an island in a marshy lake
>200 years later, the city is now the 6th most populated city in the world, and has great then venice tier canals, causeways, aquaducts, and levees forming a network of connections all across the lake, all done and built without metal tools or beasts of burden
>Even the spainish remarked that their houses werre equal to richer ones in spain and that their temples and palaces were beyond anything they had heard of in europe
>managed to almost completely dominate central mexico in under 100 years

Did the yhave horses or large transport animals? probably not.

Did they have a written language?

Grove Street... Home... Least it was til I fucked everythang up

>Sinai Peninsula is unconquered
Get your shit together Rome
>That small part of South Korea that's white
Get your shit together China

>like the Khwarezmians
>The dynasty ruled large parts of Central Asia and Iran during the High Middle Ages, in the approximate period of 1077 to 1231,
Probably

nope, but they seem to do fine without it considering they built cities matching anything in 16th century Europe without them.

Sort of, it was mostly pictographic and logogramic, but there was phonetics and syllabic stuff.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_writing

Aztecs were, in european terms, basically an early bronze age civ, though it's not entirely comparable since they were on an isolated landmass so stuff wasn't devolping the same way, see the stuff above about their engineering being on par with europe at the time.

No, the enviroment didn't allow them to evolve as much as the mainland did.

mind clariying?

Was hoping this would be the first post. thanks.

I will just drop a few links you can watch on your leisure.

>quora.com/Why-were-the-Indians-of-North-and-South-America-so-undeveloped-in-relation-to-their-conquerors
>youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk&t=225s

I am amazed at how good aztec architects were, shit that would be an european's architect dream. Yet they still didn't use steel for weapons, it's strange. Maybe they didn't advanced on warfare as Europe's nations because they dominated the land without competition?

Playing total war games makes you instantly understand why equestrian based armies took hold so readily in the Middle-East and were optional in Europe.
>Nigga it goin to take me fucking 10 years marching an infantry army from Bactria to Egypt.

I'll cite the passage specifically but I think it was something like "It cost more to ship goods overland from Ostia to Rome (if you didn't use the tiber) than it did to ship goods from Egypt to Rome. Something like six days in good weather to get from Egypt to Rome. And the Roman roads were crazy good and retardedly deep at 3 feet or more of foundation. So much and so stable that they didn't even need to worry about drainage. Also something like with Roman roads a guy could get from London (with a quick sail across the straits) to Rome in 29 days. While in the 19th century some guy rushing as fast as he could got there in 30 days.

Off-topic thread, mods must be asleep

Whao...

It's not like yuros couldn't into architecture at the time.

gaudy, tacky, boring
>durr lets make every room beige and really tall and empty
>hurr also lets make everything GOLD! and put lots of GEMSTONES IN THEM! LETS BEDAZZLE ALL OUR UGLY GOLDEN SHIT

you have shit taste please remove yourself from my presence

>he doesn't make his buildings gold
HERESY.

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Of course, but european cities were gradually built up over hundereds of years to get the size and granduear they were at and they had metal tools and other technlogical advances.

It's amazing the aztecs rivaled them in only 200 years and not even being able to work bronze

>Even the spainish remarked that their houses werre equal to richer ones in spain and that their temples and palaces were beyond anything they had heard of in europe
Do you have a single fact to back that up

Not that user but I wouldn't be surprised if that were true. The Aztecs sat on a shitload of gold deposits and had no outside world to Mansa Musa it away on.

Multiple ones: The spainish's own accounts. Both of Cortes's letters to Charles V and Bernal Díaz del Castillo's account of the conquest mention this.

Here's some excerpts from Cortes's second letter

>Montezuma II possessed out of the city as well as within, numerous villas, each of which had its peculiar sources of amusement, and all were constructed in the best possible manner for the use of a great prince and lord. Within the city his palaces were so wonderful that it is hardly possible to describe their beauty and extent ; I can only say that in Spain there is nothing equal to them.

>The city of Iztapalapa contains twelve or fifteen thousand houses; it is situated on the shore of a large salt lake, one-half of it being built upon the water, and one half on terra firma. The governor or chief of the city has several new houses, which, although they are not yet finished, are equal to the better class of houses in Spain –being large and well constructed, in the stone work, the carpentry, the floors, and the various appendages necessary to render a house complete, excepting the reliefs and other rich work usual in Spanish houses. There are also many upper and lower rooms–cool gardens, abounding in trees and odoriferous flowers; also pools of fresh water, well constructed, with stairs leading to the bottom.

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Mount and blade / Dynasty warriors clone that also features Rome soon...

>There is also a very extensive kitchen garden attached to the house, and over it a belvidere with beautiful corridors and halls; and within the garden a large square pond of fresh water, having its walls formed of handsome hewn stone; and adjacent to it there is a promenade, consisting of a tiled pavement so broad that four persons can walk on it abreast, and four hundred paces square, or sixteen hundred paces round; enclosed on one side towards the wall of the garden by canes, intermingled with vergas, and on the other side by shrubs and sweet-scented plants. The pond contains a great variety of fish and water-fowl, as wild ducks, teal, and others so numerous that they often cover the surface of the water.

>On their route they passed through three provinces, that, according to the report of the Spaniards, contained very fine land, many villages and cities, with much scattered population, and buildings equal to any in Spain. They mentioned particularly a house and castle, the latter larger, of greater strength, and better built than the castle of Burgos ; and the people of one of these provinces, called Tamazulapa, were better clothed than those of any other we had seen, as it justly appeared to them.

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Worth noting these aren't all directly in line with each other, IE some are from seperate paragraphs. Some excerpt's from Diaz's accounts can be seen here boards.fireden.net/v/thread/355440802/#355478908 and here boards.fireden.net/v/thread/355440802/#355479120 , though they similarly aren't all from thwe same page/paragaph.

Actually I'll post them here

>The next morning we reached the broad high road of Iztapalapan, whence we for the first time beheld the numbers of towns and villages built in the lake, and the still greater number of large townships on the mainland, with the level causeway which ran in a straight line into Mexico.

>Our astonishment was indeed raised to the highest pitch, and we could not help remarking to each other, that all these buildings resembled the fairy castles we read of in Amadis de Gaul; so high, majestic, and splendid did the temples, towers, and houses of the town, all built of massive stone and lime, rise up out of the midst of the lake. Indeed, many of our men asked if what they saw was a mere dream. And the reader must not feel surprised at the manner in which I have expressed myself, for it is impossible to speak coolly of things which we had never seen nor heard of, nor even could have dreamt of, beforehand.

>When we approached near to Iztapalapan, two other caziques came out in great pomp to receive us: one was the prince of Cuitlahuac, and the other of Cojohuacan; both were near relatives of Motecusuma. We now entered the town of Iztapalapan, where we were indeed quartered in palaces, of large dimensions, surrounded by spacious courts, and built of hewn stone, cedar and other sweet-scented wood. All the apartments were hung round with cotton cloths.

>"After we had seen all this, we paid a visit to the gardens adjoining these palaces, which were really astonishing, and I could not gratify my desire too much by walking about in them and contemplating the numbers of trees which spread around the most delicious odours; the rose bushes, the different flower beds, and the fruit trees which stood along the paths. There was likewise a basin of sweet water, which was connected with the lake by means of a small canal. It was constructed of stone of various colours, and decorated with numerous figures, and was wide enough to hold their largest canoes."

>"In this basin various kinds of water-fowls were swimming up and down, and everything was so charming and beautiful that we could find no words to express our astonishment. Indeed I do not believe a country was ever discovered which was equal in splendour to this; for Peru was not known at that time. But, at the present moment, there is not a vestige of all this remaining, and not a stone of this beautiful town is now standing."

>"(About Tlatelolco) After we had sufficiently gazed upon this magnificent picture, we again turned our eyes toward the great market, and beheld the vast numbers of buyers and sellers who thronged there. The bustle and noise occasioned by this multitude of human beings was so great that it could be heard at a distance of more than four miles. Some of our men, who had been at Constantinople and Rome, and travelled through the whole of Italy, said that they never had seen a market-place of such large dimensions, or which was so well regulated, or so crowded with people as this one at Mexico."

and that's it, but if you look up other first hand accounts they all more or less say the same thing and the ruins are litterally just scattered all around mexico city.

Poo poo wee wees, bar bars and Parthians planned in future releases

>No Wheel

How do they create such a nice city but fuck this up?

Egyptians had the wheel thousands of years prior

They actually had wheels, they just didn't use them for anything pratical, only in toys.

Wheels aren't that useful when you have no horses or oxen or mules to attach them to. Putting everything on your back is more efficient otherwise.

Just imagine being an explorer and seeing these things for the first time. I hope we find an alien world although I think even movies like avatar have somewhat spoiled the idea of entirely new worlds. But still it would be amazing to see.

It's not like they didn't know what they were. The heart of Aztec territory was on an island in the middle of a lake surrounded by very high mountains.

Except wheelbarrows and the like are immensely useful for carting around large loads.

European cities kept getting teared down by German tribes, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Ottomans, Mongols, Moors, Persians, etc etc etc

China is a similar story, their advancements kept getting shut down by civil war

Have you ever tried running a wheelbarrow down a very bumpy and bad road? I'd rather carry the shit on my back

>you will never be a lanka creature playing vidya underground

>Kushans.

Poor guys, the only piece of media about them is the Homeworld and most people think it's just some made up bullshit names in that game.

>Parthian, as opposed to Parthia
>Rome, as oppoed to Roman
???

The Kushan and Parthian empires connected Rome and China for a while

>nu uh: the post

What did barbarians use to shave themselves?

Barbasol!

ahhaha!

The ability to move mountains to achieve their strategic goals is something I'll always admire the Romans for. They mobilised all that manpower necessary to build and maintain the infrastructure network just to ensure the empire stayed together.

they were already on the verge of civil war. it was literally the only reason the spanish managed to have any success.

Doesn't mean they wouldn't have recovered. Rome did so many times from serious civil wars. The fall of the Western Roman Empire was because there wasn't just civil war, but famine and disease which massively depleted the manpower reserves of the empire. The Europeans arrived with their diseases at a time when war was picking up, which meant that not only did another player join the war but everyone suffered massive manpower losses at the same time from said disease.

Well that was a fascinating video that explained a lot of questions I didn't even have before seeing the video. Never occurred to me to ask "why didn't the Europeans get rekt by disease" for some reason, even though it's a simple and basic question that naturally flows from a known fact.

I hate this guy's fucking delivery

like the game itself the translation is shoddy