He doesn't choose the red option

>He doesn't choose the red option

It's like you love to lose

GS a shit.

>he picks the giant sword with no manuverability over the middle sword with balance or the dagger with speed

Get Out.

entirely dependent on the amount of enemy's fought at once and the hp of the enemies

whats the point of a 1 speed 50 attack weapon if the mobs have 3 hp?
whats the point of a 50 speed 1 attack weapon if the mobs have 300 hp?

Blue master race

>game has on-shit resources generation or other effects that doesn't scale up with lower attack speed

If you take these at face value all swords deals the same damage, only difference is the speed it takes.

what are the odds of Critical Hit for each?

I do as much damage with a single swing than you do with 50, weak cuck.

>poison green sword
>Inflict many status issues onto enemy
>Get stunned? Not too much loss in DPS.
>Stun the red sword
>Cancelled attack, have to wait for another swing
>Lower equip weight with green sword.
>stunlock with green sword
The answer should be obvious.

And if you miss, you just missed the equivalent of 50 green sword swings

Think about this though, the red sword is pretty big so it could wipe out multiple weaker enemies at once.

poison knife is best knife.

frost sword is decent

slow ass burning GS is useless

Green all day ery day

leave them to their inevitable death OP, we will live on

But that's the worst of both worlds?

>Attack speed is only twice as fast due to diminishing returns
>Following your retard rules red sword also does fire damage so if he lands one hit you're fucked

Depends on if you can miss or not, if you can than the attack speed one is the best otherwise who cares they're the same

Green requires extreme investment to get every hit to hit. Lose a shit ton of dps if you cannot continuously hit.
Blue is casual.
Red is easy mode. One shot scrub enemies, extremely easy to get optimal damage as you can easily swing everytime an attack is avaliable.

Green is pretty much always the best option for PvE. It will result in more consistent damage over time since misses don't mean as much. And assuming 100% accuracy you don't gain or lose any DPS compared to the other options.

>choose green
>proc a million things off attacks

wrong kiddo
balance is best

blue in right hand, green in left hand

stats do not determain cleave

That being said i have this idea for cleave.
Say there is 10 mobs with 30HP each, the red sword would kill 2 mobs and half health one more not hit all 10 mobs for 50 dmg each.

>stunlocked
Your attacks aren't doing shit faggot.

Enemy spams a special invincible attack every 2 seconds. Thus in 50 seconds red does 50 damage. Whereas green does 25 damage. This is assuming optimal gameplat. Extreme situation but you get my point. Green needs to attack every second whereas red just needs to swing once.

>extreme investment to get every hit to hit
>you can easily swing everytime an attack is avaliable.
This is the whole basis of your argument. That the small one requires "investment" to hit and that you can just easily swing the large one.

> Lose a shit ton of dps if you cannot continuously hit.

You lose some DPS, but if you cannot continuously hit using the red sword, then there will be periods of time where your DPS is zero (assuming that the attack speeds are attacks per second).

Green, i'm sure to win because my speed is superior.

I'm a greatswordfag in DS, no shield, I like to keep the left hand equipped with pyro flame.

Too bad greatswords were cucked into the ground on DS3's release. Only viable option was blue; one-handed swords.

Nothing's better than running into a crowd of enemies and dodging all their hits with some careful positioning, then mowing them down with a couple quick swings, though, just made PvP a living fucking nightmare.

>1 Speed
>start your attack
>a blue fag comes in an interrupts your attack animation
>a green fag does the same and keeps dealing damage and you literally can't do anything but watch him ram your ass

>it takes the same time for the dagger to do 50 attacks as it does the Great Sword to do one

How fucking slow is this great sword? Or is the dagger just lightning fast? You better have some fucking outstanding defense if you use the red one.

These threads are absolutely fucking pointless, because the values are taken out of the context.
>How does armor work?
>What are the miss/enemy dodge chances?
>How does weapon base damage interact with scaling, buffs or other sources of extra damage?
Etc.

I choose the 1 attack 50 speed and try and stack strength and damage to it along with infusing poison/burn and electricity damage so it does shitloads of damage quickly

NOBODYS GOING TO HIT ME

What is this shit. Read

>what is poise

Any balanced game would make a swing from a red fag unstoppable.

Green will always be best option, as it gives more DPS and can give you options on switching targets. So instead of wasting that 50 attack on a enemy with 10 HP, you can just hit it 10 times really quickly and switch targets.

It also comes down to numbers, say the "speed" is seconds, okay well then 1 attack over 50 seconds is already better than 50 attack over 1 second, since you don't have to waste it on one single target. Blue sword is the most balanced though and would probably be the one I would choose.

>enemy's defense resists 1 damage every hit

green sword can do good if you focus on adding points to stamina so your reduce the chances of missing due to exhaustion

blue sword will require dexterity, to never miss any swing, is few compared to green but you are dealing more damage so is best not to miss any attack

red sword requite a balance of stamina, dexterity and strenght so you can hit enemies

>Green
>Miss half
>25 damage

>Blue
>Miss half
>20 or 30 damage

>Red
>Miss
>0 damage

Depends. Do you swing immediately upon contact or is there a delay, and is the damage calculated at the beginning of a swing?

I can't think of a single scenario where the green sword isn't the best.

Think about it.
In the time it takes you to swing the red sword once, I would have swung the green 50 times.
Since there are no times associated with the data, I can't give you a specific time duration.
But say for instance, I step into attack. We're both swinging our swords but you take 1 full second to swing, while each of my swings take only 1/50th of a second. So all I have to do is swing 49 times - then step back. Your swing is completely negated, I have taken no damage whereas you have taken 49 points of damage. Rinse and repeat.

Green is too short and requires you to basically hug the enemy to get the most out of it

Red is too slow so if you miss it's extremely punishing, can't really be aggressive with it because of that

Blue is perfect in every way

\thread
Fuck green niggers.

>poise

>attack and then dodge
>or just watch until the whiffed animation is over and he's in recovery and then you can rape in the ass

solved

50% chance to hit and finish off an enemy on low HP
>green sword averages out 25 damage but will at least do some.
>red sword THAT'S (nu)XCOM BABY!

>use green sword
>enemies have +1 defense
>attack 50 times without fail
>not a single scratch

>He doesn't roll with Blade of the Endless Tomb
Fucking FTHfags

>not picking red then using a moveset swap glitch to swing it with the speed amd agility of a dagger

Almost like you cucks are tying the knot on your noose yourselves

look at it this way, lets use "speeds" as a measurement. 1 attack per speed, for the green sword, so u need 50 speeds to kill someone with 50 hp. But just 1 speed with the red sword and you're instantly dead. i'm really imaging it like the green guy is swinging it 50 times rapidly dealing 1 damage each time, while the red guy just swings it once and wins. Cuz that's how it usually works in Dark Soulds

>enemy has an immortal shield ability that blocks incoming damage 50 or higher
/thread
/checkmate

assuming hit and run gameplay is viable, and the speed factors into recovery time and not buildup, and enemies have atleast 40hp, the red sword wrecks the other two.

>Dodging

One mistake and your goose is cooked. And if red is any good, he'd use timing and spacing to womp you when you would not expect it.

I love big heavy weapons with a lot of weight to them. Like, I will never stop using the kirkhammer in Bloodborne because the weight and sound of the hammer with each swing is fucking amazing. Even though everyone moves a thousand times faster than me and there are more efficient weapons out there.

I have no idea what the hell that post is trying to say. Every two seconds the enemy goes invincible. So what? For how long is it invincible? Why does the red sword still do 50 damage where the green gets halved? Nothing in that makes sense.

it's 1 speed. You're not going to make a mistake.

What kind of speed are we talking about? arpg swing-hit or roguelike hit-pause?

Green = PvE
Red = PvP
Blue = Normalfags

Durandel and Stormruler are top tier

Why not?

>The lifeforce of the thralls is tied to that of the wielder
What does this mean? That the thralls are invincible unless you die? That sounds stupid as fuck.

>whats the point of a 50 speed 1 attack weapon if the mobs have 300 hp?

Are you stupid? The DPS is exactly the same, but your first argument still holds.
Not even starting about on-hit possibilities.

Green is superior in every way with the information given. Same DPS but more swings > fewer swings

>implying
normies always go for the extremes

because it's slow. It's 1 point away from 0. That's basically 5 second start up.

As if OP's arbitrary stats mean anything. Patience and overwhelming force always win out against reaction and weak strikes in the long run.

>green PVE
no enemy will ever just stay and let you hit it. Its best for PVP since you can do quick chip damage and your enemy cant dodge

red is for PVE, blue casual

Yeah no

Basically pic related but with 100x more skeletons

>more swings better than fewer swings

in what world.

>5 second start up
>enemy moves at all in that time
>miss
I'm trying to understand you, but I actually just can't based on the words being used.

Have you picked Sup Forums?

well said

>niggers being slow

>no enemy will ever just stay and let you hit it

wat

Are you a child or unable to write proper English? I think I just got cancer reading this. It makes no sense whatsoever.

>picking anything but the dagger
Games will always give you equipment that increases your damage more often than equipment that increases your attack speed.

No game does this though

>red attacks
>start the animation
>Blue or green backs away
>go make a grilled cheese
>come back
>red it just started the active frames of the attack
>circle around and go crazy

Without further context, Green is superior.
>Same DPS
>More attacks

Not enough data. I'd want to see frame data, damage reduction calculations and what on-hit effects were possible.

You are a weakling that can't swing a proper sword quickly enough gtfo

In a world where on-hit effects and accuracy exist. If you don't lose DPS, what is the downside of having more attacks connect? Please tell me.

I take the red sword and I hit & run everytime i'm off cooldown.

Speed is useless unless your ennemie is rooted or you have some abilities that triggerr on hit.

I'm taking the Elfin blade so I can spend eternity with handsome elven men and pretty elven women

>What is animation canceling?

green requires you to continuously hit in order to keep up with other weapons. Bosses usually follow a pattern where they wont let you do more than a few attacks at a time. In PVP its different because player can always dodge/block your attack, but its hard to do against very fast weapon

Red is for when you use a skill that does X+% dmg depending on your weapons dmg
green is for when you have a poison with X% to hit, more speed = more chances for it to hit and proc

kek, have fun being dead. It's not even a matter of STR vs DEX you just chose a terrible weapon senpai.

because rpg weapons show frame data and damage reduction calculations in the stat sheets ???

Your argument is easily turned on itself. Green needs to make all of those connect. Red just needs one.

>Stuns don't proc once
>Die
In the meantime enjoy having all your damage rounded down to 0

...

Tell me, are heavy hitters in fighting games picked more than the light hitters? No, because the light hitters can hit more often and consistently.

In RPGs, it'd depend on the balancing of hit/miss rates. Fire Emblem? I'm taking green. Dark Souls? I'm taking blue. Paper Mario? I'm taking red.

>miss once
>lost 1 damage
>miss once
>lost 50 damage
wew

In attack+cooldown systems red kills enemy faster, thus enemy hits back less.

Why would speed not count towards both startup and recovery?

Youre forgetting the part where it takes the same amount of time for all 3 swords to deal the same damage. Some just swing faster.
So your argument doesn't hold.

Depends on a load of shit
How much HP does the enemy have?
Can attacks miss/get dodged?

Jesus fuck the crissaegrim is the most OP weapon in any game ever

OP did not say anything about missing senpai.

blade of the meek is insanely op if you count humans as creatures too and because it probably follows your idea of evil ,also no downsides

>OP posts a crude drawing of generic swords
>must be Dark Souls xD