Is the Japanese Game Industry Dead?

>Capcom bankruptcy
>Konami on life support
>Sega on life support
>Nintendo shitty underpowered switch
>Square/Enix still making the same single game

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>>Square/Enix still making the same single game


?

Final Fantasy.

I think Japan is dead in the West. From what I can gather, the Japanese industry is subsisting entirely on handheld weeb shit that doesn't get ported or translated. Recent attempts by Japanese devs to make AAA games that release worldwide have mostly been either rushjobs or shite (See Phantom Pain and FFXV for the former, and FFXIII&sequels for the latter).

AAA games in general have been circling the drain for a while. I think we're only one bad year from a massive industry crash. But it's the Japanese AAA devs who are innovating such brilliant ideas as "hey what about if the gameplay ISN'T fun?" or "how about we throw away 2/3 of the game that we've already finished because of some radical new design element nobody asked for?"

Before, Japanese games felt like they were made by a single director under his unified vision, good or bad. Now they feel like they were made by a committee to sell to Western audiences.

>>Capcom bankruptcy
>>Sega on life support

false though

>Japanese games felt like they were made by a single director under his unified vision
Dumbest thing in a dumb thread. A Dragon Quest game feels nothing like Final Fantasy. Then or now. And Goemon game sure didn't feel like MGS.

>One year

Probably not that soon, although I think we can expect companies like Ubisoft to stop producing AAA content in the next couple of years.

I think it'll be a slow, gradual process. Majesco only just NOW completely died.

Medium level games like Armor Project, Monolithsoft or Vanillaware games have seen an increase in popularity in the west. While AAA games have seen a decrease. So Japan isn't dying in the west. Just interest in AAA games as a whole. AAA games are also having wild fluctuations in the west. Stuff like GTA still sells well, but Assassins Creed is seeing wild shifts in interest. So much so that they've announced they aren't making AC games every year anymore. Final Fantasy is just in the same boat as Assassins Creed. People are tired of having 15+ FF games a year. The series are over saturated.

You obviously dont know how far the hands of SE reach.

Hitman, wombraider, dudesex.

>people are tired of having 15+ FF games a year
U r fuckin retardid

>Capcom bankruptcy
Not really. Though they should be for all their dumb decisions.

>Konami on life support
Konami is just out of the video game market entirely. Thanks to their own dumb decisions over the last 20 years.

>Sega on life support
As they should be for ignoring all the games fans want and just expecting the west to only care about Sonic. Plus their Japanese division has been sabotaging the western division for 25 years.

>Nintendo shitty underpowered switch
Then don't buy it.

>Square/Enix still making the same single game
SE makes plenty of games besides Final Fantasy. They just didn't localize any of them until last year. Suddenly we're getting everything now.

>U r fuckin retardid
Maybe you should look at your own text?

Also they do release 10-15 FF games a year. I hope you're not stupid enough to think FFXV is the only FF game to come out since FFXIV.

>Sega on life support
For some strange reason sega is making good money with pc strategy games.

>Capcom bankruptcy
RE7 will save them

>being so butthurt you think the company you hate is dying
Konami is far from dying, they're getting tons of bux with the yugioh f2p game.

>Capcom bankruptcy
People have been talking about this for like 4 years and yet here they are, making money. Any minute now tho

From software is Japanese. Sony, Atlus and Platinium Games as well.

I didn't say they're dying. I said they pulled out of the video game market. Learn to read.

>>Nintendo shitty underpowered switch
But still very much alive.

The mainline FF games to their credit, do try to be unique experiences, for better or worse.

They need to cool it down with all those FF crossover games where all popular characters are dumped into a nonsense story and are given canned lines.

SEGA is doing very well.
Konami...not so much.

I enjoyed World of FF more than FF15. That's probably saying something.

And the best FF game in 15 years was Theathrythm. But that really doesn't bode well for the series. When one game has a 10 year, multi million dollar development cycle and is beaten out by a spin off made in 6 months for peanuts. Square needs to realize that graphics are not the selling point for FF anymore.

Also turn-based, or an off-shoot based on it would have been better. The wait mode in FF15 tried to implement it somewhat but failed.

Maybe they'll figure it out with FF7 how to blend both action and turn based?

>Maybe they'll figure it out with FF7 how to blend both action and turn based?

Its going to just be Kingdom Hearts with Materia. So basically, Crisis Core with more flashy graphics. It's gonna take many more financial disasters with ARPG combat and expensive graphics for Square to change its tactics.

Not true.

Look down the list of games here too.
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They still make plenty of games for Japanese arcades.

>Sega on life support

LOL you wish

>10 years ago
>Japenese game industry is dead!
>still alive

>5 years ago
>Japenese game industry is dead!
>still alive

>now
>Japenese game industry is dead!
>still alive

The most of japanese big companies are in the black now.

I hate to say it but Japamese Game industry needs to embrace the "indie" market.

If only to inject the industry with fresh blood and fresh ideas.

Bemani's still going strong. People cry about arcades dying but konami keeps it alive

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Arcades are different from home and handheld games. And I'd just like to remind you of the PS2-PS3 eras. When 3/4 of Konami's IPs were dying, but the majority of people ignored it. "We still have Kojima so everything is fine!" Then they forced Kojima out. Whoops.

Name the 10 -15 FF games that came out this year retard boy.

>switch
>a system we barely know anything about
>somehow shitty and underpowered
>doesn't mention sony or any of his favorite companies

kys sonygger scum. Go back to neogaf

>fresh blood and ideas

More like fresh college dropouts and more retro styled 2D platformers

>Konami's highest selling titles was a Yugioh card-game on GB
>Konami today's highest selling is their F2P card games and Jikkyo mobage
>it's completely out of the video game industry when Japan does nothing but mobages!

It's real easy to spot Kojimacucks when they're in denial that Konami is still profiting to this day.

Final Fantasy Explorers
World of Final Fantasy
Mobius Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy: Brave Exvius
Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy VII Android Port
Final Fantasy IX Windows/iOS/Android Port
Final Fantasy X Windows Port (slated but not released)
Final Fantasy X-2 Windows Port (slated but not released)
Final Fantasy XI iOS/Android Port (slated but not released)
Final Fantasy XV

Wot the matter Mr white boy?

Ru no rike Pachico machine?

>they have this one game they're still supporting! They're still in there!

Also I don't like MGS. My favorite Konami series are Suikoden and Castlevania which died two gens ago.

Sage and hide.

You're missing the point my good man, people stating whether it was you or another anonymous saying Konami is out of the video game industry when they are blatantly profiting via mobages, pachinkos and arcade cabinets after closing doors to the west and re-focusing onto their niche, but profitable audience (much like Capcom with SFV).

Generally, I'm saying people should do their research before blurting shit like >Konami on life support

>Castlevania died in the PS2 age
Wasn't there a good one on the DS? Dawn of Sorrow and something else?

>Capcom bankruptcy
Just like Sony amirite.

>Capcom mid-restructure, somehow managing to hold onto the fighting game community
>Konami focusing on business over PR
>Sega dominating arcades and MMOs in Japan
>Nintendo phasing out current gen due to piracy
>Squenix still dominating MMOs and putting out reasonably successful console games

>they do release 10-15 FF games a year
>not released

what happened is that the west industry went to shit and ruined everything, Japanese stuff stopped being popular cause 1 also terrible games and 2 no more anime on tv. Plus probably pentagon campaign against anything that threatens american """"cultural"""" hegemony on the world

The japanese didn't adapt to the western model exactly so they ended up copying what the anime industry does, to design everything around hyperpandering and go for the safe niche group and the result of that is always something terrible.

Since they have less money to work with they cut off everything but the main safe franchise of each company which they tried to westernize . If you add all that on top of the fact they exploit their employess 3 times as hard as the west yo get a dead scene.

So the actual japanese games ended in portables but even then portables are not so popular anymore because of cellphones and tablets so that went to shit too.

The same will happen with the western industry thats why every company is releasing remasters and remakes, they literally have no idea what to do

I wonder if at some point everything will end up on pc

>the best FF game in 15 years
>XII came out 10 years ago
nice bait

>that's only 8 out of 10! You're wrong!
8 games in one year is still way too much user. That's even more than Mario or Call of Duty. He proves his point that Final Fantasy is heavily oversaturated. Even if a FF fan wanted to buy every single FF game that came out, there's no way to keep up.

>my favorite FF game is best and your opinion is shit
Surprised it took 48 posts for this.

>that's only 8 out of 10! You're wrong!
yes, thanks

>implying I ever said XII was the best
the user implied there hasn't been a good FF since X, and if you don't think XII is at least good then yes you're opinion is shit.

Other years have seen 10 or more FF games. But go ahead and feel big for proving someone wrong about specifics, but not his overall point.

Having played many other RPG series beyond Final Fantasy, I can honestly say only 2 or 3 FF games are above the threshold of bad. FFXII is hovering between decent and bad. Even its creator thinks its a mess.

gematsu.com/2016/12/atlus-announce-brand-new-fantasy-rpg-project-december-23

Leave the japanese game industry to us.

Sega was purchased by a group of investors, they bought Atlus and several other small studios, and literally wanted any American publisher to be in charge of distribution and localization (for free). Sony eventually stepped up on select titles, yet are still losing money on the deal.

My only guess is that Sony will make an attempt to buy SEGA if everything goes up for sale at once, which it will not. Atlus has a better chance of buying its freedom than being sold in a package deal.

>>Capcom bankruptcy

Wut? I know that financially they aren't doing well but they are far from bankruptcy

>>Konami on life support

They stopped being a game company long time ago

>>Sega on life support

Weird because they are still releasing Sanic and Yakuza games, they could do better tho

>>Nintendo shitty underpowered switch

Well, the normies seems to love it and it got over 20 million of views, we have to wait and see

>>Square/Enix still making the same single game

B8

So shit thread

>Capcom bankruptcy

Why is this something you always hear? Haven't their profits been steadily increasing for like 5 years now?

Everything I've seen just seems to suggest that Capcom have gone through some much needed changes to adapt to the current market. They're just not making AAA titles like RE6 anymore, and frankly they shouldn't.

ITT: triggered weebs

>story
An incomplete mess. With half the cast being annoying and the other half overlooked.

>gameplay
Boring. License board is a horrible idea and you have to actively fight with the combat system to do anything besides let it fight for you.

>exploration
Non existent.

>NPCs
Horrible.

>Graphics
Decent for their time but dated now.

What exactly is so great about FFXII?

Im pretty sure From Software will still be successful in the west

It started by angry Mega Man fans who wanted to see Capcom die like Konami did for killing Mega Man.

Outside of this, Capcom isn't exactly doing the greatest though. They're mostly surviving off rehashes like Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom.

Sure but they aren't going "bankrupt" like OP faggot implied.

>Capcom bankruptcy

Lol they are renaming two of Japan's islands "monster" and "hunter"

are you retarded or a faggot?

both, you're a a retarded faggot

Also the devil may cry crowd, the darkstalkers fans, the lost planet fans after 3, clover studio fans....

Nice well documented sources for those claims you got there retard, really got them brain juices flowin.

>Falcom
>Xseed
>Koei Tecmo
>Fromsoft
>Atlus
>Bamco

These are still alive and so is Japanese gaming.

they were close

>they were close

Yeah like half a decade ago.

>They're mostly surviving off rehashes like Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom

lmao
Monster Hunter prints money
Resident Evil as well.
Street Fighter V is most likely already a success for Capcom thanks to it's fucking ridiculous DLC.

A few years back some guy wrote an article about how Capcom *only* had $150 million in the bank.

The thing is, they've always had that roughly much money in the bank and it doesn't really mean shit. The dude took a number from Capcom's financial report and wrote a clickbait story about it, and to this day people still think Capcom is going bankrupt. They never stopped turning a profit and the company is worth more now than ever

Japanese industry is inherently fucked because their home audience isn't growing. They basically have to go for international audience or die.

This. It was blatant yellow journalism, yet Sup Forums ate it up and continues parroting it.

It didn't help they got Sony to co-fund SF5.

>his overall point.
sorry but I don't care. I didn't even ask him.

>Monster Hunter prints money
True.

>Resident Evil as well.
False.

Not entirely true. Their audience is bigger now than it was in the 80s when Japanese gaming took off. What's changed is that these companies are making super expensive games that require 6-10 million units sold to make a profit. If they cut back their expectations to non AAA levels, they'd be making plenty of profit. Or if they just listened to what people want. Especially in Japan, people would rather have a low budget turn based RPG. Which could be made for less than 1 million dollars. But instead these companies are making huge ARPG games with a focus on graphics, which cost 100 million to make.

>False.
What? Resident Evil is Capcom's biggest IP by a huge margin.

The brand recognition alone makes shit sell in the millions. See Operation Raccoon City.

Monster Hunter is their biggest IP. Resident Evil games have been sliding in sales. The movies have also gone downhill. The IP is waning.

While Monster Hunter sells more copies in just Japan than Resident Evil does worldwide.

They didn't make any of those games, they just published them

OP is grossly exaggerating on how bad nippon vidya companies are, I don't think Capcom or anyone else is closing their doors

Sega is kinda fucked but they have been since the Saturn/Dreamcast days after they messed up 10 times

>While Monster Hunter sells more copies in just Japan than Resident Evil does worldwide.

That's just straight-up wrong.

RE5 and RE6 are both Capcom's best selling games ever, and RE has almost twice the lifetime sales of Monster Hunter.

>RE has almost twice the lifetime sales of Monster Hunter
Well obviously, MH wasn't around until the PS2.

>no way to keep up

Except the solid majority of your list, released or not, is ports of games fans would have already played, mobile shit, or stuff that doesn't take long to beat.

In terms of total sales, Resident Evil 5 is their best selling game. But that was on two platforms and yadda yadda. While Monster Hunter just on PSP sold almost 5 million in only Japan. Resident Evil 5 only sold 2 million in Japan and needed a western release on 360 to make up more sales.

Yes, you can technically say RE5 is their best selling game. But this is also the problem with the Japanese market. It has to go for the international market to get those sales. While Monster Hunter can just dominate the Japanese market by itself. Which is more likely to work in the long term? A super expensive AAA game that requires tons of international marketing? Or a relatively low budget game that sells millions in Japan alone.

All the more reason the series is over saturated and not selling as well.

>shitty anti-consumer companies going out of business
Why is this a problem again?

>Majesco only just NOW completely died.

Really?.

>Lost Planet
Man. Nothing hurts more than that. Such a great series. If they remastered all three games for next-gen (yes, even 3. I may not have liked it, but I'm sure some did) with E.X. Troopers and get a good selling point, we could have a LP4 or something along those lines. Just please bring back the franchise.

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>over saturated
They released 4 new games this year that were new. The others were being released on platforms that never had those games so fans have something.

>From Software Platinum games and Nintendo being the most influential developers
>Japanese industry dead

KEK, even meh Jap Games are better than 99% of what the SJW pandering west developers create

>They released 4 new games this year that were new.
More like 6 thanks to smartphone games.

>The others were being released on platforms that never had those games so fans have something.
Ports and remakes still add to a series being over saturated. Especially when the same game gets released every 2-3 years. People were saying it was bad on the PS1 when all the past FF games were getting ports. Now some games have over a dozen different ports. One game on 12 different platforms is the very definition of over saturation.

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>They didn't make any of those games, they just published them

Square Enix own Crystal Dynamics, Eidos Montreal and IO Interactive. They are part of Square Enix, therefore Square Enix made those games. Not hard to work out really, is it champ? The days of everything being developed by in-house teams in one location are long gone for the entire industry. All the major publishers have studios working all over the world.

Konami has a ton of different things under its belt from pachinko parlors to fitness clubs, it's just that their computer games are the only thing exported.

but it's clearly not what he meant, he said "they only make Final Fantasy" which means "they only develop FF these days"

>SaGa
>KH
>FF
>DQ
>Bravely Default

Hmm

>Square/Enix still making the same single game

The point of the Final Fantasy series is that each one is radically different, and that's the biggest reason why they're so heavily polarizing. The most recent one was a complete genre shift.

Also Nier Automata.
Also Star Ocean 5.
Also Setsuna.

>b-but I don't like any of those games

Goal posts.

The gameplay of old FF games is the same fucking shit over and over