This game is hot garbage...

This game is hot garbage. I have never felt so fucking limited and pigeonholed into a few builds in an ARPG as I have with this game. Every build I think "Hmm, this sounds cool, let's go on Grimcalc and see if it wor-" Oh look at that, no it doesn't, be it due to lack of devotion support for said build or lack of support from the classes themselves.

Don't believe me? Let's check out some of the builds I wanted to build a moment ago but realized that I can't without severely gimping myself due to lack of support.

>Lightning + Aether
There's like, what? 3 devotions with this combination, so I figured I'd give it a try.
Turns out the classes themselves have an amazing ONE skill between all of them that has a tiny bit of lightning and aether damage combined.
Want to be a non spellcasting Lightning + Aether user? Then you have a grand total of 0 skills to pick from.

Even something as common as Fire + Chaos has very little support. A tier 1 + 2 devotion and next to no support outside of the Demo class.

That's just the tip of the iceberg too, I've thought up like 6+ different builds that I've wanted to play that just don't have any meaningful support what so ever. What a worthless game, holy shit.

The game is clearly created without the min-max mentality in mind, so if you play it that way it will be horrbile
If you want a game with real min-max try poe

What's the best wARPG from this decade and why is it this game?

That whole post is implying you'll only use one skill which needs to combine all the elements you want to use.

That's really fucking retarded.

It's Path of Exile, obviously. That's a not even up for discussion.

Fire Chaos has plenty of support though, the thing is, your first step should be picking two masteries then make them work, not pick two damage type and try to make them fit every combination of masteries.

And as well, not every skill and devotion has to cater to the exact damage type you're focusing on.

Aether is the only damage type that's unique to only one specific class and Lightning + Aether is perfect for a Druid (Arcanist+Shaman) or a Sorcerer (Demo/Arca).

>optimal=viable

>path of tedium

That's the one game that would actually benefit from a "skip gameplay" button.

My main problem with the game is if you see some cool endgame/key-stone devotion that looks fun your build will likely not survive long enough through the harder difficulties to max out devotion in the first place. Building towards something you want is such a tremendous pain and you're often forced into picking up things you never wanted or have to make lame sacrifices just to keep your build above water since scaling balance will eventually go to shit.

If you don't min max/optimize you won't get through later difficulties, but if you do you don't get much latitude or variety in your build as valid options just evaporate after level 70.

That and the whole 'permanently losing skill points between patches because they tweaked a skill' really turned me off the game. Though if they were to stop mindlessly churning out content for a minute to actually address endgame scaling I'd give it another honest chance.

>tedious
I'm guessing Diablo 3 on console would be better suited for you.

Press X, screen explodes, 0 thoughts put into builds.

>Lightning and Aether
Druid
Primal Strike + 2-hand Range and Vortex of Souls weapon
There's your Lightning and Aether build

>If you don't min max/optimize you won't get through later difficulties
You will. Any kind of build can beat the game on all difficulties as long as it's not something nonsensical.

Hard min-maxing is only needed if you want to beat Avatar of Mogdrogen and in some cases Mad Queen.

>muh autism tree

Like I said, skip gameplay.

Sure buddy

>permanently losing skill points between patches because they tweaked a skill
That hasn't happened since the game came out of Early Access and is not going to happen ever again.

>Lightning + Aether is perfect for a Druid (Arcanist+Shaman) or a Sorcerer (Demo/Arca).
Literally neither of those work for Lightning + Aether.
Shaman and Demo do absolutely nothing for aether, so you would be better off just focusing entirely on lightning damage rather than butchering yourself to try have both types which is what I wanted to do.
Aether has literally one build and it's based around that shitty ray.
Where is my lightning based attacks that also deal Aether damage? Poison gets its ass kissed and has Acid accompanying its skills all the time. Chaos gets vitality.

>Primal Strike
Benefits Lightning only, meaning the aether portion of the build is completely gone to waste.
>and Vortex of Souls weapon
Never heard of it, so I'm going to assume it's an end game weapon which means I'd have to deal with going through the rest of the game being a half assed lightning only user.

Nightblade is the absolute worst mastery in the game.
Prove me wrong. You can't because I'm right.

Primal Strike is pretty much all Flat Damage bonus + Weapon Damage, so you can pretty easily get a ton of Aether Damage on there through conversion. There's lots of items that come with it.

>he expects the game to support all possible damage combinations equally
Gee, I guess the game sucks because there are no OP skills and devotions that deal both acid and internal trauma damage.

Demo + Arca + Duals + Falcon constellation early

:^)

The last patch that touched Shaman skills chopped 6 skill points off of my Warder because of a glitch with items that grant levels to skills. I wasn't part of the first batch of affected people back in beta, but I just don't care enough anymore. It's too much of a slog.

You can't make assumptions like this based on 30 mins spent on grimcalc and 2 hours played, items play a big role in making a build work and just because you're not seeing the possibilities in grimcalc doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Why do you think there are so many Aether based items, is it all for Aether Ray?

Rushing for Aether damage from the start is a bad move unless you're going pure Aether Ray build but there are many other ways to use that damage type later on.

>Game has 3 worthless devotions wasted on supporting a non existent synergy
>I'm somehow expected to not be mad that said synergy leads to absolutely nothing.

Even still, what use is that if there's no skills to press to support it?
I was looking forward to making an Aether + Lightning based character that could actually use skills that specifically deal a mixture of Lightning + Aether damage.

>Have access to cold, piercing, bleeding, poison and acid damage, which synergies with most other masteries and a shitload of devotions
>Pneumatic Burst is one of the best on demand healing skill that gives 20% Phys and Mag avoid at higher levels
>Veil of Shadow is very good at crippling mobs, is passive and always work 100% of the time
>Shadow strike is a better gap closer than Blitz
>Blade Barrier is one of the best "Oh shit's going down" skill, save Mirror of Ereoctes

>let's go on Grimcalc

found your mistake.

you don't need to min/max. ger does all the difference. do a reasonable build so you can farm gear and have fun.

who cares if it takes you 3.2 seconds longer to kill a certain enemy.

It does deal a mixture of Lightning and Aether Damage, if you use Vortex of Souls it literally only does those two types of damage.

>there are people who unironically use Grimcalc instead of actually playing and finding out
Pathetic.

Some damage types are harder to pair without specific items.
Start with something simple then learn from that, you'll get items and ideas as you progress.

its not very hard and i beat it just throwing random points around

I used to be a min/maxer just like you, then I took an inspirational douse of whiskey and stopped caring

Why are spinning hammers so cute?

>tfw I am playing a pure chaos character using the purple hammer that grants ground slam

Is op retarded or did he forget to check items ..

They get ridiculous when you hit 90% + block

Figured, I just found an Iskandra Focusing Prism on a higher level char so now I want a spinning effect spam Battlemage.

So is Crucible worth buying? Might pick it up tomorrow on the Steam sale for cheap.

Van Helsing has been my favorite after they fixed everything in the patches, but I've been trying to go through Grim Dawn for like 5 months now, I think the mission I'm on was to get to the Homestead or whatever, last place I remember was this underground catacomb with lots of spooky skellingtons. I was going pure Demolitionist as a rifleman, I might spec into Shaman or whatever it was to be able to 2 hand with all the fire+electricity, I've tried on and off to get further in the game but it just can't hold on to me. I dont really play these games to play with other people so I'd probably have a lot better time if I played with people.

It's the Ultimate test for your build and really requires the best gear and damage/survivability you can get.
I like to start new characters in the Crucible as well, playing the first 10 waves 5 times in a row gets you to level 14 with 5 devotion points, meaning you get the 50 devotion points by the end of Elite.

Damn that sounds like a much better start than Act 1. Shit is tedious as hell at this point.

I like Grim Dawn but am I the only one who think the acts are bit too long and uneventful?

I mean It's so much longer than, let's say, Diablo 2 yet it's so much more plain and less memorable that it kinds of bum me out that I have to go through the whole thing 2 more times.

And I can't really skip most of it because of the shrines...

Yeah, if you do that, you can pretty much skim through Act I, just do the quests and grab the devotions.

Aether is by FAR the least supported damage type in the game, probably because the main enemies in the game are AETHERIALS.

Even still, you're greatly exaggerating how difficult it actually is to run a build with it. Especially Aether/Lightning, that is completely viable. My suggestion would be to run a few builds that don't use Aether and actually learn more about how the game works before you try running a more difficult build that uses Aether. I guarantee it's more viable than you think.

Honestly, when you reach Elite, you can just rush through everything.
Once you're past level 50-60, it's mostly quests that give exp even though they just buffed the mob exp in the last patch. Quests and Shrines are all you need.

Begging for some invoker set pieces here.

Get in queue behind acid and vitality decay.

>aether weapon anything
user… never go full retard.

>Aether is by FAR the least supported damage type in the game
Not even close.

>Path of Exile
>putting thought into builds

You follow a cookie cutter build to the letter or your shit falls apart in later difficulties, there is no freedom.

Maybe in hard core ? I have 2 characters in red maps I made myself, one 92 and the other 87 currently.

Unless you're just a fucking retard I guess, then sure

>t.shitter

I make my own builds every league with the new uniques/skills/passives that appeal to me and I can do lategame content everytime. Some of them require a bit more work than others but they all work. Some of them even outperformed most of the builds I've seen on forums at the time.

>you have to follow cookie cutter builds
You're not refuting his point even with this retarded statement, the only reason you'd need to is because of min max. Not to mention this is retarded, Uber lab has been done with all white items, shaper and atziri have been done with 1 hp. You're just a shitter, man

You know the people making those builds don't have access to anything you don't, right? A lot of the people making those builds aren't even very good or smart.

>it's another retard plays for an hour and looks at grimcalc without even looking at the end game gears or the forums
Just go play diablo 3 you fucking dipshit

You're thinking of Diablo 3. Most PoE players all use the same cookie cutter builds because they are like OP and are too retarded to make their own builds, so they just use whatever the big streamers use. You can make a good chunk of things viable on your own. Diablo 3 is the one where you can't really build anything because its so fucking restrictive.

Also OP is just the same shitposter from yesterday who doesn't know how to play.

Yeah, these kind of posts are retarded. Between the op and I'm losing hope that Sup Forums is good at video games at all. There's a reason d3 was so popular, sadly.

My issue with PoE is the latency, the combat and gameplay becomes fucking ass. How is this game? Is the combat fun?

I haven't played PoE in a long time, but didn't they fix the latency issues? I should reinstall sometime since they've had tons of new content added.

Anyway, Grim Dawn is a lot of fun. It's actually got a really good story and lore you can find which is refreshing when compared to a lot of recent arpgs. If you've ever played Titan Quest it's very similar. You pick a mastery and then at level 10 you can pick a second to make a ton of different possible classes. Pretty much any build is viable and the devotion system adds even more customization.

Also modding is nice, though most mods are questionable quality. I've been dicking around with the mod that adds Titan Quest masteries to the game and it's pretty great.

>ITT: people overreacting
Late game content in PoE isn't impossible, you just need a bit of experience before being able of nailing a build without respec
Diablo 3 has plenty of procs which aren't necessarily bound to classes and grant some acceptable freedom, though it's less than PoE and GD
In Grim dawn there's always some item that panders to some damage/class combination and most of the content can be faced by any build, except for some nemeses and mogdrogen.
Combat sure as fuck is underwhelming compared to the others.

I actually enjoyed Torchlight 1 and 2 a lot

They changed it so you can choose between synchronous and asynchronous network stuff depending on your ping and stability. More importantly they increased their server coverage and sorted out a lot of the problem-inducing stuff. It's a lot better now. I should probably add that I thought it was pretty much fine and that desync was manageable even when reddit were crying about it so your mileage may vary.

>garbage
thats not path of exile

Go commit suicide please we all need you to do it

>didnt they fix the latency issues
lol

played a laserbeams arcanist+demo with a shaman/soldier buddy
It was fun but that "final boss" was underwhelming as fuck and i think it actually killed our motivation to do the higher difficulties, when we both got the achievement for beating the game it was like "really, that's it?"
I know it's not the actual last boss and there's some secret shit but none of the bosses in the game even came close to any of the end of act bosses in D2 in terms of "oh shit a boss", everyone remembers duriel for instance
does it pick up in the higher difficulties or is it more of the same? whenever I play now it just makes me want to go play Median XL

Then don't play it you fat fucking baby

ARPG is a garbage genre. They are all about grinding and exploiting certain builds there isn't much gameplay. I used to think I liked ARPGs because I was in to Diablo 2 quite a bit but I found out I just really liked summon necromancer. I've never played another ARPG that I liked unless you count shit like Gauntlet.

everytime

Fuck the min maxing op, this game is fun and cathartic.

Shaman/Occultist, either bleed + physical or Thor build (primal strike) are fun as hell.

I'm excited for the new class.

Also, does anyone else find soldier underwhelming early in the game?

There's the skeleton key dungeon bosses which can be fairly difficult, as well as the Nemesis bosses.

Same here, dropped the game after finishing normal, I didn't even know when the acts changed

I've only played through the steps of torment.

How are the additional dungeons and raids they've introduced since then, like the crucible and the witches path?

We did one of the skeleton key dungeons, I think its the first one you find. Aside from us being underlevelled it wasn't really any more difficult than the rest of the games boss mobs

>bosses are easy
You ain't shit until you've cleared the Edge of Reality and killed The Actually Final Form of the Clone of John Bourbon

I find any build around soldier is bland. Soldier works best as a secondary mastery to support one of the others, but this might also be because I really enjoy sword and board builds.

The game doesn't get challenging until you move poster Normal/Veteran. Try Elite or Ultimate for the real fun. You can use some mods to buff up the Normal difficulty too.

Also laserbeam arcanists are easymode.

I wanted to build a sword and board build, and I fucked up my attribute pts so I need to remake it anyways, but cadence feels so weak and bland at first. The dash skill is great for getting into combat tho

Cadence with rifles is fun.

>tfw luring a bunch of enemies into a tight corridor and killing all of them with a single shot

This was not a joke by the way. The place is actually in the game and the boss is fucking hard.

Some skills are gained outside of your tree (trough items and shit)
But yeah the game is not amazingly designed

>Arcanist + Occultist
>access laser beam as fast as I can, and convert aether to chaos damage
>come home after a shitty day at work

ALL MINE ENEMIES ARE LIKE WHEAT BEFORE MY SCYTHE, AND CHAFF BEFORE MY ALL CONSUMING FIERY WRATH

it feels so good

With your attributes you should pretty much always be dumping them into Physique. It gets you more bang for your buck compared to cunning/spirit. Dump phyisque until ~level 50 then start saving points to invest into cunning/spirit if you need it for gear requirements.

The reason is it's easier to find cunning/spirit boosts on gear than it is physique. Also the damage boosts from cunning/spirit are pretty irrelevant, whereas the bonus health and survivability from physique is well worth the investment. You'll get enough cunning/spirit just from gear basically.

Also Cadence is amazing. One of the best soldier abilities.

because they game doesn't even get close to challenging until ultimate. and there's still bosses like mad queen, the sentinal, mogdrogen and the edge of reality quest to do. at least get off baby difficulty if you think it's too easy

After that you can go try crucible and get your ass handed to you on the higher difficulties

I enjoy Diablo 3 more than Grim Dawn or PoE

POST LEGENDARIES
TRADE LEGENDARIES

Someone hook me up with good legendaries, especially Ultos and Deathmarked set(s)

Don't forget to preorder the new Mass Effect! ^_^

You are right, they could have done much more work on sound and graphic design to make the bosses more foreboding. In D2 when you were getting close to an act boss, there was always sound and graphic cues like massive blood stains and bodies leading up to Andariel, or how Duriel laughed and asked you "Looking for Baal?".
Very little of that in Grim Dawn unfortunately.

It's not even the same publisher wtf are you doing

>playing Grim Dawn or Path of Exile when you could be playing autistic Diablo 2 mods

It's like you don't even want to be forced to grind 1000000 cow kills to progress.

You have shit taste so I figured I'd remind you to preorder another shit game you'll eat up.

What are some of your favorite Notes, Sup Forums?

I guess we'll keep playing until the actual fun game kicks in then, not like there's any other good+recent arpgs to play and my friend enjoys grinding
kinda sucks when the game is this slow paced and so many bosses are the same shit though

>mogdrogen
>unwisely attack

what mod?

IT'LL BE FINE BRO

HE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MUCH

>Attack a god

What did you expect to happen user?

then i'd recommend you two just just into crucible for some variety and loot, see how far you can get

You realize there's more than one people on Sup Forums right?

You keep fucking up user, you're a mess.

The lead up to the warden fight was tight tho.
>enter door
>it slams shut and locks
>ah I've been waiting for you
>music starts

>this trigger Muhammed

Go blow yourself up

They buffed the damage bonus from cunning and spirit yesterday, and the OA from cunning was never irrelevant.

>music changes into sick guitar riff
Was pretty neat. Krieg had good voice acting too.

The VAing is so hit-or-miss in GD, almost comical.