Modern PC multiplayer devolved into repetitive mobas and streamlined shooters

>modern PC multiplayer devolved into repetitive mobas and streamlined shooters
>focus on cash shops

Can we get a change from all the Overwatch shilling here?

>it's a delusional arenafag episode

play quake champions
i dont understand people like you
its not like the games you like dont exist anymore

how underage does one have to be to hate the entire arena shooter genre

You don't have to be underage, merely a casual. 99% of the gaming audience is casual.

who said i hate it? i grew up playing them.

but i hate elitist arenafags that do nothing but bitch about a dead genre, that they themselves helped kill by not playing the games and instead bitched about 24/7 on a minor-league T ball BBS

>reference Overwatch when talking about mobas and cash shops

Dude, Paladins is right there JUST WAITING to be shit on

The games they like aren't popular, but as soon as those games become popular people like OP will complain about how it is full of casuals that haven't been playing since '98 and now the franchise is ruined.

All of these UT clones coming out lately are missing the point. We're bored of copy paste gameplay with updated visuals. We need some new life in the arena shooter genre. Hoping Quake Champions will be the right blend of new and old to make it interesting. Lawbreakers was a step in the right direction, but it's just not that well designed and kind of shallow.

You sound like an underage who played quake live for half an hour and now yearns for "the good old days" of active quake and UT multiplayer

Newsflash, people stopped buying arena shooters because the Genre was utterly flushed of creativity and everyone had played decades of Quake 3 with no truly worthy successor in sight.

Newsflash, quake days are never coming back, if you want a multiplayer experience you have no choice but to play genres that people actually buy. Fuck that's 90% of the reason people bought quake anyways, not because it was God's gift, but because other people were playing it!

>games I like exist
>people who play them don't

>Fuck that's 90% of the reason people bought quake anyways, not because it was God's gift, but because other people were playing it!

THANK YOU

>quake days are never coming back
DELET THIS

Why did UT3 fail?

Exactly, no one gives a fuck about grim dark arena shooters anymore. The future is gay waifus.

It's hero MOBA shit
next

>Why did UT3 fail?
It was obviously backseat to Gears of War in development. It wasn't Unreal Tournament.

It's a shame that the new UT will never be finished.

>can't handle using abilities in an arena shooter

Scrub detected

You need to get a goddamn grip.

>crutching with abilities because you can't keep up in an arena shooter
lmao

>It's not the game that already exists and still has an active playerbase so it's shit

If you want to play Q3 you can

How do I play it? Is it out?

25 year old here

>console focus
>Gears of war graphics with fatass models
>WAR BUT WITH RESPAWNERS XD IM MALCOM MEMBER ME
Seriously that is the stupidest fucking idea for a plot I've EVER fucking heard
You could do liandri corp an develop the world and tournaments more but XD WEABOO THEMED MAIN PARTY FIGHTAN WAR WITH RESPAWNERS BTW DARKNESS ENEMIES REDO THE LEVELS XD
>slow movement and wide open areas
>shit weapon placement
The absolute worst

grip yo self bee fo you rip yo self

You want to try that again, retard?

It's funny that's there's so many Overwatch threads despite it being a game from Blizzard which has been fucking over the consumer for years.

But they''ll quickly forget because of waifus, I guess Ubisoft or EA could do the same thing and this board would support them.

>Quake Live
Dead
>Unreal Tournament
Dead
>Toxikk
Dead
>Reflex
Dead

>WAAAAH, WHY DON'T PEOPLE PLAY THEM ANYMORE?! WAAAAH!

Protip idiot, people stopped playing arena shooters because they're boring as shit and not worth devoting your time to.

after a year that was mainly about mgs v gta v witcher and playing bf 1 with my retarded irl friends I am starting to get myself back in shape by playing quake live so I would woop ass @ QC the day beta comes out

there are plenty of nice and comfy servers in eu - instagib pql, freezetag, tdm pickups, and there's always some dueler wanting to play
for a game that went from browser f2p to 10 dolar purchase on steam and is already 6 year old and it was made on the base of the game that is 17 year old I think it's pretty nice result

and most of the people playing are fairly good and challenging opponents (I play myself since 2007) so I think that it turns out that Quake is best franchise ever

proove me wrong

Found the kid who camped quad all game because it was the only way he could get kills. Kind of hypocritical but hey, you do you, kiddo.

>play quake champions
Maybe we can't play it because the game isn't out?

Quake and Unreal are decades old and don't cater to casual players. Nobody ever played those other two. What is wrong with you?

You play the wrong multiplayers games. Local multiplayer is where it's at.

>uuugh, Overwatch is killing the genre
>IT'S TIME FOR FREE EARLY ACCES GAME DEVELOPED BY HASBEENS FROM COMMUNITY-MADE ASSETS TO SAVE IT

Woooaaah, you realized that NOW?

PC gaming has been dead and cancerous for over a decade now. Its golden age was between the mid/late 90's and early 2000's (by early I mean up to 2002)

I pity these pretend-PCMR types here that think they are the shit when their platform is nothing but a shell of its former self, riddled with microtransactions, F2P shit, MOBAs, betting, trading, nu-Blizzard, kickstarter, indiegogo, greenlight and early access shit.

Stop being a sad PCuck and ascend to the superior idort status.

I don't like weeb crap.

Quake "Character focused" Champions is Overwatch-lite that's slightly more like the Arena shooters of old.

Well it's true, it'll be hard to make an FPS with a lower skill ceiling than Overwatch without turning FPS into turn based RPGs. It's been a race to the bottom for 10 years since the casuals took over the market.

>uuugh, Overwatch is killing the genre

Nobody said this. The genre was dead in 2005. If you had any reading comprehension you would see he stated the genre slowly turned into shit. What a fucking moron, and you post a smug reaction image, what a fucking faggot.

I never really understood the whole low skill ceiling shit.
Unless the skill ceiling is literally "X's & O's" low, then most people will never reach it anyway.
Are you really saying that the reason that you think OW is shit is because the skill ceiling is too low for you?
You would literally just come and become a fucking pro just like fucking that?

This is exactly why Sup Forums is shit now.

>You would literally just come and become a fucking pro just like fucking that?

You don't know what skill ceiling means.

hmm, fair enough, just googled it, always thought it meant something else.

>Jerky UT movement
Yuck

The weapons were innovative 15 years ago but there's not much to like otherwise for the new one.

actually no, I was right about the definition.
So yeah, I don't get why a low skill ceiling prevents people from enjoying a game for some time.

So you only like yucky western shit then.
I was going to feel pity for you, but no longer.

The failure of Quake Live is proof that the arena genre is dead.

Hello?

The problem with AS is the same as RTS, it's too complicated. A game like Call of Duty or Counter Strike all you have to think about is your positions, while AS people are rocketjumping and teleporting behind you AND the gunplay is much more complicated.

The problem with arena shooters is hitscan weapons.

Let's use a slot machine tournament as an example for one of the lowest skill ceiling games available.

The goal of a slot machine tournament is normally to get the biggest payout before the time runs out.

Examples of things out of player control (anything that inhibits player actions or blunts otherwise skillful play lowers the skill ceiling):
1.) Payouts for each spin are determined by a RNG
2.) Most slot machines have a minimum amount of spin time, some longer, some shorter, where the animation/reels cannot be skipped with a button press

The only thing in control of the player in a slot machine tournament is a button press. Now, when you factor in 1 and 2 above, you can see that even a skilled slot machine player (is able to hit the spin button faster than anyone else), has a massive chance of losing despite his ability to mash the button faster than anyone else.

Now, Overwatch isn't a slot machine by any stretch, but it does have gameplay design and elements that massively lower the skill ceiling compared to most games in the genre.

I actually agree, I would love to see a game completely based on rockets and rocketjumping. WITH NO SELF DAMAGE!!

Wow, that actually sounds terrible.

I dunno meng, even the pros top out at ~40% accuracy with the lightning gun most of the time.

>Why did UT3 fail?
It was a bad game and no fun at all. Not rocket science if you ask me.

its not even out yet, and people are already bitching about those abilities, personally, as long as thses abilities don't affect the game that much im fine with them, also they already said there will be a custom/classic mode so there is that.
being a pc exclusive make me slightly optimistic, but thats not saying much, we will have to wait and see

Because it gives more meaning to the game. It's why I have more hours in TF2 soldier than I do on Overwatch period, because whenever I pick up soldier I can improve at rocket jumping, or airshots, or whatever the fuck I feel. When I pick up OW, the game feels shallow, because even if the skill ceiling hasn't been reached yet, I can feel it being smaller. Shame Valve ruined TF2.

Consoles happened.

No, it proved that it needed a change. That's what quake champions is doing.

Just remember that the people making Quake today are not the same people who made Quake years ago.

Doom was made by different people and tho it was a different game, it was a pretty good one and i had a lot of fun with it in singleplayer
I hope i get to have fun with Quake too

Better than nothing when the only other alternatives are play ultra casual garbage or not play anything at all.