>"Unfortunately, despite Nintendo’s history and reputation, Super Mario Run is not a family-friendly game — or at least not one my wife and I will be letting our 6-year-old daughter play. The game is rife with stale, retrograde gender stereotypes — elements that were perhaps expected in 1985, when the first Super Mario Bros. was released in the United States, but that today are just embarrassing." >"Super Mario Run begins, as does almost every Super Mario title, with Princess Peach becoming a hostage who must be rescued by Mario. Just before her ritual kidnapping, Peach invites Mario to her castle and pledges to bake him a cake. Upon her rescue, she kisses Mario. The game also includes a second female character, Toadette, whose job is to wave a flag before and after a race, like a character from “Grease.”" >"In isolation, there’s nothing wrong with princesses or baking. My daughters love those things, too. But Super Mario Run relegates its female characters to positions of near helplessness. Peach and Toadette become playable only after you complete certain tasks, which makes the women in the game feel like prizes. (To be fair, the same is true of a few male characters.) Worse, should you then use Peach to defeat her kidnapper, Bowser, you’ll discover that neither Mario nor a kiss is waiting for her as a reward." >"he knowledge that video games possess this power, that they allow us to adopt new identities and grant us new ways of seeing ourselves, is as old as Mario’s quest for his princess. Which makes it all the sadder that Mr. Miyamoto, with all his gifts, has yet to seize it."
dudes whats your fucking point? >women in the game feel like prizes. (To be fair, the same is true of a few male characters.) exactly this is marios game
Asher Martinez
>It's another "Sup Forums blows some tiny blog thinkpiece out of proportion" epis- Wait, the New York Times? Jesus.
To be fair it's a shitty blogger writing for the Times. It's not one of their actual staff members.
Kevin Bell
reminder that there is no winning with feminists
Cameron Davis
...
Christian Lee
I give up.
Fuck everyone
Luis Rodriguez
>make thread about sjw shit being in every corner of Sup Forums >people freak out and have a sjw/pol mudfight >thread gets deleted >refresh >this thread pops up Just end it already
Carson Ramirez
who gives a shit. why do you post this garbage on Sup Forums?
Juan Hall
Isn't the Times like the Nature/Science for journalists? Why would the quality control accept shitty blogposts like this one?
Nathan Taylor
>this is considered 'good enough' for The New York Times journalism is dead
Luke Watson
Avatarfagging is against board rules, newfag.
Robert Carter
It's an opinion piece, user.
Robert Collins
>New York Times Man coastal cities are a fucking joke. I want New York and California to leave the fucking union.
Robert Morris
cleo is best girl
Ryan Lee
>The ads jej
Brayden Gray
Lee is late
Asher Fisher
First, everyone who is saying "Really?!" would not be saying that if the game dealt in racial stereotypes hadn't been updated instead of stale gender stereotypes that clearly haven't been updated since the times of castles and dragons.
And I get the "stop having a hair trigger" and "first world problems" comments, I do. As a girl who played these games and grew up just fine, I can vouch that it probably won't (shouldn't, dear lord) ruin your life to play this game.
But perhaps small things like this built up in my life to make me the raging feminist I am now. Just like the most minor slights against straight, christian, working class white men made them elect a dragon with an inept princess he rescued from a castle in another land. Maybe it's not so far fetched after all.
Kevin Morales
Who do we blame this on? Videogames going mainstream, or the modern tendency of believing that absolutely everything needs to have a hidden social agenda?
Probably both.
Mason Stewart
I remember clearly the first time I saw Diana Rigg playing the role of Emma Peel in "The Avengers" back in the '60's. I had never seen anything like it before - a woman who was curious, capable and utterly fearless. Imagine it! A woman outwitting the bad guys and kicking a-- along with the best of them. Wow! More shocking to me, she wasn't married, she did not have children, she didn't bake anything or even cook or do any of the things Donna Reed did. She wasn't a complete ditz like Lucy. She wasn't peripheral to the story like every single female character on Bonanza. She was beautiful but she wasn't the victim - ever. I was amazed. I thought about that moment as I read this article and the comments section. Seeing yourself reflected in the popular culture really does have an impact on you, conscious or unconscious, like it or not. I am very puzzled by the hostility that obvious truth seems to engender.
Anthony Peterson
They're silly states, but no, you really don't. Without California, New York, or Texas the us gets a fuckton poorer and is a fuckton worse off.
Jacob Young
>she wasn't married, she did not have children, she didn't bake anything or even cook or do any of the things Donna Reed did
So funny reading this after I've been reading an office lady's romance fantasy novel about being a cute housewife with a manly husband.
Blake Thompson
>t. pleb who doesn't read books
Brayden Long
I have a question for the commenters who have been so critical of this column: What are you so angry about?
I mean you must be pretty angry to have taken the trouble to post in the first place. What was that set you off? That Mr. Suellentrop is trying to be a good dad? That he thinks six-year olds need protection and guidance? That he accepts the overwhelming evidence that negative stereotypes are harmful to children? That he is trying to raise his daughter to be strong, confident, and the equal of her male peers? The implicit suggestion that parents and children have an easier time when consumer products are not harmful?
Suellentrop has offered a dispatch from his little corner of one of the great struggles of our time: How to parent in an age of increasingly intrusive, manipulative, and unregulated content. Only a couple of responses (of 24 so far) actually engaged in a conversation about parenting and video games. The vast majority ranged from mocking him for thinking he can protect his daughter, to shaming him for speaking about these challenges instead of greater dangers or the bigger problems many people face, to (my favorite) blaming him for the election of Mr. Trump.
That is a lot of hostility towards a guy whose point can be summed up as: “I wish a popular video game wasn’t so unnecessarily unhealthy for my little girl.” So really, what is that you are so mad about? Because I’m guessing it isn’t that Mr. Suellentrop is trying to be a good dad.
Gabriel Cook
> New York Times shitting all over the industry > No surprise there
The paper is a Propaganda rag. It's being paid by app companies and maybe Apple to shit all over Nintendo.
No-one in the mobile space wants to see consumers, especially young ones, introduced to the idea of paying money for a quality application. companies would rather stick to hocking f2p garbage and using exploitative practices to squeeze dlc and other fees out of gullible kids and consumers.
If kids internalise the concept that a $10 game should be worth $10, it will literally be the end of the current "app" ecosystem and everything it stands for.
Dig the author. I guarantee connections or investments in some mobile game maker or the other. What's that finnish angry bird company again? I think they hired some guy to shit on Nintendo before.
Bentley Watson
He used to be their op-ed editor and the article appeared in print. NYT is still great journalism, but shit like this is a bit irritating.
Alexander Howard
#ThisIsWhyTrumpWon
Jayden James
Mr. Suellentrop should just give his daughter good books instead of whining about vidyagaems.
Brody Morales
Here's the (you) you were looking for
Kevin Fisher
All of the outraged responses here accuse Mr. Suellentrop of being oversensitive and whining about a "first world problem."
Yet these same readers are wild with anger because the guy dares to say he wishes there was a playable female character in this game. They can barely stand the idea that he levels a really-quite-mild criticism at a classic. I know who I think is being oversensitive.
Jonathan Rivera
>gender politics >in video games
This meme needs to end.
Cooper Phillips
Thank you! Thank you as a dad and a man that you can see the subtle messages that are being sent to girls and boys with these games. It is the same as a movie where the women always needs rescued. My daughters play Mario Kart and Brawl better than their brothers. The girl characters fight and drive. It is a shame that in an age where we cane so close to a female president, girls are still being treated as less capable. Your wife and daughter are lucky to have you.
Isaac Wilson
Taking comments from that article and pasting them?
Brayden Morgan
videogames have been mainstream for longer than most think. Arcade machines in every other restaurant and laundromat and such. Everything else is just an extension of those.
But yeah, journalists and soccer moms and bloggers obssessing over "messages" and "agendas" in everything have been getting louder over the years, even if their definitions of objectionable content change they're still the same damn thing.
Austin Walker
I think that the problem is not just the game. It's the fact that many things are designed to appeal to men/boys because men and boys do not usually imagine themselves in female roles or as female heroines. And that goes back to parental and societal expectations of both genders. Girls and boys are different but many parents and others who deal with children on a daily basis have a difficult time accepting boys who aren't all boy and girls who do not fit into the checkbox of tomboy or a real girl.
I remember my frustration in school when I wanted to learn how to run the film projector. I was told that it was a boy's job and as I was a girl I wasn't going to be taught. I could watch but that was it. I wanted to learn how to tune a car. My father wouldn't teach me because I was a girl. This was over 40 years ago. Maybe the way to deal with this is to create good games for girls and boys to play while getting them outside, riding bikes, throwing balls, running around, and having a good time together. There's more to gender equality than a game.
Noah Watson
Japanese don't care, they can't be guilted like White people
Cooper Watson
That's not General Crazytits.
Adrian Morgan
>refusing to let your children play a Mario game because it doesn't confine to your politics
Colton Cox
Yeah
Bentley Roberts
Could all the men in this section shouting about "radical social agendas" and "political correctness" step back? Tell me why pursuing better representation in popular media is "radical" or why is it "politically correct?" Elaborate on the "PC-ness" of this article rather than slap on a buzzwordy label favored by "so-called conservatives."
This article is a criticism of current representation, outdated stereotypes, and how a player comes to identify with their avatar. It's a quick analysis, but significant for pointing out the inequality in representation.
Lincoln Garcia
>n-no u
Fuck off with this tired rhetoric.
Hunter Lopez
She has best weapon that's for sure
David Anderson
>PC-ness Penis.
Justin Johnson
So, instead of letting their kids play a game where you treat a woman nicely, you let them play one where they beat up women.
Adam Morgan
Kek
Robert Sanders
If you want an unironical answer, then its that the author is an idiot who doesnt realize how selective media works. He acts like there's an actual issue that needs solving but there isnt. Just as board games dont have that issue, videogames also dont have it. He chose to play the game, a game that he, as the article suggests, knew very well what its about. Thats why people are mad, because its not an insightful piece, but rather shallow political bait.
If he really wanted to be a good dad, hed have two choices: >a) let his daughter play what she wants. >b) pick a game thats more to his liking as parent(gianna sisters for example comes to mind) But instead he acts like his daughter is forced to play the game, which artificially creates a problem that needs solving. But thats not how selective media works. That he uses a statistic that has already been debunked more than once, doesnt help either.
There.
Nicholas Hall
keep going[spoiler/]
Brody Rivera
People always long for what they don't have, user.
Whenever I visit the panda, I always go straight for the vanilla stuff. Married couples, boyfriend/girlfriend, monster girls, leglocking, nakadashi, unusual eye pupils, etc. This is probably influenced by the fact that I am a lonely faggot who longs for warmth, affection, and attention. In other words, I am longing for what I lack.
Reciprocally, I absolutely loathe NTR, cheating, homewrecking themes in my porn.
Whoever wrote that novel you're reading is probably the same.
This tinfoil is so fucking strong that I am inclined to believe it.
Videogames weren't mainstream, it was literally children's toys and ignored as such. It was only during Gen7 that it gained visibility. It was also the exact same time when SJW faggotry started gaining more space. I just wish video games were about being video games again.
Adrian Murphy
>monster girls >vanilla
Eli Murphy
>"Women should be represented as much as men in videogames and should do all the same things and wear anything" >"Except they can't be kidnapped, be saved by a man, kiss a man, bake a cake, waving a flag, being an unlockable character, not being an unlockable character". >"Women CANT and SHOULDN'T do any of these things because its sexist"
Is this what it's like to lean so far left you're coming out the right as an authoritarian?
Luis Price
>and the article appeared in print Of course it did. You don't pay the NYT to shill against a company and not have it put in print.
Polygon were also shitting on it a few days ago. This is across the board.
William Nguyen
>that image This seems, familiar. This is from some tumblr blog, isn't it?
Levi Jenkins
Reminder that depressed office ladies now also produce their own self-insertion shit. It's not just no gfs virgin otaku anymore.
It's both amusing and sad.
Aiden Mitchell
>Whenever I visit the panda, I always go straight for the vanilla stuff. Married couples, boyfriend/girlfriend, monster girls, leglocking, nakadashi, unusual eye pupils, etc. This is probably influenced by the fact that I am a lonely faggot who longs for warmth, affection, and attention. In other words, I am longing for what I lack.
>Reciprocally, I absolutely loathe NTR, cheating, homewrecking themes in my porn.
Mah African-American brother.
Matthew Peterson
DUUR THIS IS WHY TRUMP ONEEE!!!
RAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Gavin Bell
I dunno man, maybe I'm autistic, but this one seems like Satire You would have to have no awareness to publish something like this, especially on the NY times
Thomas Flores
...
Zachary Nelson
Moonstuck / Woona Quest, done through a tumblr.
Nicholas Martin
>i wish it was just my flyover poorfag state, then america would really be great Lmao
Tyler Anderson
Really makes you think
Zachary Campbell
I was aware of this. I was hoping to start something to turn this thread away from a Sup Forums one
Isaac Rogers
>Simcity review score updated
Andrew Evans
>Whoever wrote that novel you're reading is probably the same.
I can already tell the one writing it is a housewife, or at least someone who really wants to be one.
There are scenes about the protag talking with other married noble ladies about how to make their husbands fall in love with them more.
Noah Collins
>65 replies >no barneyfag Am I the only one who remembers Moonstuck?
Brody Perez
Oh, just report the thread and ignore it. I doubt the thread had any promise anyways.
Elijah Brooks
I feel like. like this is some really layered bait.
i'm just not sure. it's bitter enough to come off as an actual female Sup Forums poster. but on the other hand any woman who uses Sup Forums wouldn't oust their gender since that defeats the purpose of anonymous posting.
and no one who reallt identifies as a raging feminist would post on Sup Forums would they?
i guess the might. any feminist self aware to understand they're irrational might.
9/10
Andrew Nelson
>Yet these same readers are wild with anger because the guy dares to say > these same readers > readers Guess who's coming to Sup Forums
Austin Price
>I wish the country's first and third largest economies would leave the union Enjoy living in a second world agrarian shithole.
Dylan Edwards
>Thank you! Thank you as a dad
You are no dad if this is what is weighing on your mind.
Also: bad on you for not actively participating your childs life and allowing a TV/video game to raise your child.
Jeremiah Bennett
Yes
Jace Clark
Nothing that supports feminists end well.
Just look at the MTV fiasco 2 days ago. >800-1 dislike ratio >Not even 60k views First time i have seen a video that disliked.
William Bell
Monster girls can either be about forcefully squeezing you out of semen and then slowly dissolving you inside their bodies(which is hot in its own right), or about exotic girls who love very aggressively and assertively. I meant the latter, of course.
The Office Lady comic is more about modern depression than anything. Everywhere in the world, though of course Japan in particular, values have become skewed to the point where people are living for the sake of work, rather than working for the sake of living. You hate your job and it consumes all your time. You can't be rid of it and it defines who you are. Even if it pays well, you don't have the time or strength to actually dedicate yourself to your hobbies.
NTRfags are way more vocal than we are, but keep in mind that vanillabros will always be on top. Nothing is sexier or hotter than pure love. See
Tyler Anderson
Funny how this kind of articles ALWAYS appear when Nintendo is having positive news.
Maybe there is some kind of agenda here.
Gabriel King
it's just a comment from the NYT's comment section which is predominately filled with comments criticizing the article because it's op-ed and not real journalism
Zachary Taylor
>he wishes there was a playable female character in this game There is, she's called Princess Peach
Adam Miller
>Also: bad on you for not actively participating your childs life and allowing a TV/video game to raise your child.
Yeah. You seriously need your kid to look up to you or else you will fuck him up when he turns into an adult.
>Just look at the MTV fiasco 2 days ago.
Elaborate.
Dylan Young
>linking to obvious clickbait wooooooooooooowww
Jose Morgan
Keep goobergate shit off of Sup Forums please
Hudson White
>keep in mind that vanillabros will always be on top. Nothing is sexier or hotter than pure love
And yet it's so fucking hard to find good vanilla doujins.
I have to resort to reading Google Translated online novels for my fix.
Michael Brown
MTV uploaded a video telling to white people to behave and how to act. They got 30k dislikes the first hour and deleted the video, then reuploaded it to only happen again.
They also got told on twitter by a literally no one.
Carter Rivera
>should you then use Peach to defeat her kidnapper, Bowser, you’ll discover that neither Mario nor a kiss is waiting for her as a reward It's kinda bad, but for different reasons. Was it so hard to swap sprites or add another scene into game? For fucks sakes, it's just lazy.
Nathan Williams
>People falling for the repost article comments on Sup Forums meme
Isaiah Adams
I'm really glad Nintendo aren't giving in to the communists whining like every other company.
Jace Ross
Link?
Liam Phillips
The best part is how the mainstream media acts surprised when alternative media, Breitbart and RT explode in popularity.
Sup Forums was right after all.
Parker Lopez
Imagine being this person
Ethan Scott
Well, NTR has been the fad over the last few years, I am sure Japan will come to its senses soon enough.
People will always come around and go back to vanilla.
Christian Wilson
>you literally can't find a neutral news site anymore
Wew
Benjamin Rogers
Even though I hate trump, shit like this is making me glad that he got elected.
Jacob Smith
NTR and rape. Don't forget rape.
Shit like Maou no Hajimekata is popular after all.
