Dat level design

>dat level design
>dat OST
>dat writing

Name a better srpg. You can't.

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And what game is this?

Final Fantasy Tactics. LUCT class and skill system are shit.

>my bow
>bowman

>quarrel
??
what did he mean by this?

someday I'll go back to it and finish the Palace of the Dead and recruit Deneb and do all the sidequests

but not today

lol

>finish end game sidequest
>reward is new class
>class starts out at level 1
>leveling speed is constant so going from level 1 to 2 is the same as going from level 90 to 91
>will take hours and hours of grinding to even not be a liability
>might as well have never gotten the class at all

Jagged Alliance 2
that was easy

You now remember the crafting

>he crafted

Wild Arms XF is superior outside of the plot, characters, and art style. There are also a few games that have less character customization but better combat, like Gungnir.

I love Tactics Ogre, but it has some serious balance issues. It's also brought down a bit by the awful crafting, and some aspects of the class system could have been better designed.

Fuck this genre. Too many obscure things to do.

>beat stages 1 - 10
>go back to stage 3 for some reason
>let the level 7 archer kill you with x ability
>secret character will come save you and they are now on your team

Be glued to a FAQ while playing: the genre

>70% chance of failure with materials and money being lost
>can save right beforehand
>savescum anytime you fail
It just makes everything so much more annoying than it had to be

>dat writing
More like dat rewrite tier localization by Alexander O. Smith.

Don't forget the unskippable animation

I have no idea what games you have been playing, but that sort of thing is not at all typical of the genre.

Would it be even possible to make a game with a plotline based around ethnic cleansing today?

and the dragon farming AND the glass pumpkin farming for Deneb.

>dat OST

youtube.com/watch?v=SCS3RbS6ZOI
>1:55 onwards

If you cleanse the whites

Crafting is optional you worthless cunts

How's the gba one?

Final Fantasy Tactics
Disgaea 1

Is FFT really better?
Asking because want to drown some hours into a tactics game and those two are on the place so, I want to pick worse version for the begin so the next game I play will be an upgrade.

FFT from a mechanics stand point is a bit simpler, it's also easier as a game but has the better story, settings, characters, and themes. With the 1.3 patch, FFT is just better in everyway.

Disgaea 1 is better mechanically and has near Infinite playability. I have a 500 plus hour save file and I never even beat the game. Also a great story.

>PSP game
>uses stolen assets from a GBA game

It was impossible to take seriously as a result

>FFT has a better story, setting and characters
nah

How come I can quote fft lines from almost every character but I can't remember single line of dialogue from TO?

TO died in obscurity even with better gameplay, FFT just had better writing.

Just starting Ragnarok on the psp, what should I expect?

l i t t l e m o n e y

I don't like the way turns are taken in LUCT or FFT.

Its because you played FFT first.
Anyone who says FFT has better story is because of nostalgia and it being their first tactics game

Growlanser 4

Averted in psp release.

Damn, soo many assumptions in one post. Can't anyone day the exact same thing about people that like TO?

>Animals have no God!

I one started a new file just because I had the urge to kill him. No other game has done that for me.

>getting cucked by mustadio

It is an assumption but it also probably true since you didnt deny it.
Most people who prefer FFT over TO story is mainly due to playing FFT before TO
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug

Which version of this should I play?
I played knights of lodis back then and loved it

why does every SRPG have grinding

wtf is Japan doing

>tfw the story is too complicated for you

Summon night 2 is better SRPG desu

FFT didn't really have good writing, PSX FFT just had MEMORABLE writing

Can anyone honestly say they remember even a single piece of dialogue from the PSP remake? The PSX version had a shit ton of snappy lines, but the writing and translation as a whole was abysmal.

But Summon Night 3 is better than Summon Night 2. Sensei x Alieze otp.

...

I guess artificial game length, aimed at autists who want to spend hundredths hours in the game and not feel like it was wasted because in the end they got like 100 str and sword bigger than their whole dildo collection queued on the floor.

My main issue with the system is that it would allow for a fucking strategic gameplay.
I mean even mainline final fantasies could have random battles that would be tactical but instead we got "attack" as our main means of fighting against low level mobs that are flooding gameplay time.

Why is it so hard to make fewer encounters but make those longer and tactical, fucking DQ8 almost had it right in the beginning, you needed all the buffs and defences and debuffs and items to stay alive.
After you got dragonian armor set that wasnt a problem but first half of the game was actually more tactical than average final fantasy game.

Tactics games offer superior tactical combat but lack of exploration and jrpg abuse random encounters to flood you with low level enemies as you try to fucking explore.
I blame unimaginative devs who took the formula but had no idea how to use it or understood what it actually offers.

No really, SNES, PS1 or PSP?

Play Fire Emblem

I've played about 60 srpgs and not one has required grinding. It's always just there as optional bonus content that most people ignore, since it takes no effort to create grinding content and some people enjoy it.

I guess psp because
>a: it can be emulated on ppsspp and have best audio which is fucking important with such a great score (correct me if I am wrong)

>b:have some new shit like time travel and sprites

>c: they probably fixed tons of gameplay balance issues and bugs.

Gameplay is broken in all them
psp version has the most broken gameplay but best localization out of all of them and the best features
go with psp version

>c: they probably fixed tons of gameplay balance issues
Hahahahahahahhaha

"Dreams do not fill a man's stomach nor make soft the packed earth on which he beds"

Have they changed the FFT 1.3 patch at all in the recent years?

I played it back probably around 2 or 3 years ago I think, any updates to it or same ol game?

The class and skill system sucks dick. That being said the things you highlighted are probably the best in the srpg genre.

Disgaea.

>level 9999 lmao

"A man that cant fill his stomach should stop dreaming and start hunting, a man who sleeps on the earth is not worthy of being called a man"
FFS get your shit together and stop whining

Go with SNES for no load times. PSP is prettier but crushes what semblance of game balance it had even further.

Would you consider the Growlanser games to be srpgs?

Yes.

>get your shit together and stop whining
You asked if anybody could remember a piece of dialogue from the new translation and I posted some baka desu senpai

I gave up on these type of games when I realised I'm too autistic to do it without a guide. I tried to replay TO LUCT and do the opposite of what I did and I just fucked it up and remembered how bullshit the game was.

I want a modern SPRG.

>he hasn't played 1.3

Not the dude who asked you, just think its a shitty line, its basically differently worded cliche of dreams wont feed you line.
Good writing requires something more IMO.

I mean fucking sleeping on packed earth, you know, even animals sleep on leaves or brunches or whatever, is he too stupid to make himself a bad wherever he sleeps and still call himself a man.

>I'm too casual to do it without a guide
Ftfy. The world makes playing wth most flags piss easy.

>I can't read

I mean I finished all the SRPG's without a guide, but I fear missing shit these days.

You could look up a list of characters/routes and start experimenting.
I think I had to restart Growlanser 2 like 5 times until I finally managed to get into the mercenary route.

>not playing FFT with LFT

'Justice'? I'm embarrassed to think you even said that! You think such pretty ideals can govern the people!? Why are you able to use that sword? Why do you think the people call you a hero? It's all because of me!! Because I dirtied my hands you're here! You should be thanking me, not despising me!!

The best part about FFT is I still can't decide who was right and who was wrong.

>does anybody honestly remember any dialogue
>post dialogue
>yeah but it's shit
Have you played the game and do you know the context of the line or are you just shitposting because the game isn't kafka?

>You should be thanking me, not despising me!!
>Implying everyone is a vapid herowhore who want fame and glory for fighting villains.

"Blame yourself or God" was better. It was also so cruel my heart dropped.

Algus literally did nothing wrong.

All these years later Tactics Oger fags are still mad their game went forgotten.

multiple playthroughs of FFT

finally get to try LUCT on the vita

the class skills to unlock were just useless +1 element resistance bullshit.

I'll fucking knife you man.

Low quality bait

Zalbag gave the order.

Miluda Folles: Who do you think we are!? We're not animals! We're human, just like you! There's no difference other than our families! You ever been hungry? With only soup to eat for months? Why do we have to suffer? Because you nobles deprive us of our right to live!
Algus Sadalfas: Human? Hmph, ridiculous! From the minute you were born you had to obey us! From the second you were born you were our animals!
Miluda Folles: Says who!? That's nonsense! Who decided all this?!
Algus Sadalfas: It is the Will of Heaven!
Miluda Folles: Heaven? God would never say such things! In his eyes, all are equal! He'd never let this happen! Never!
Algus Sadalfas: Animals have no God!
Miluda Folles: !!!

The writing in the original translation is overrated and way too clunky to be considered good. It had memorable one liners but lacked the overall consistency of WotL translation.

>Miluda Folles: !!!
Toldosarius rect

Off the top of my head.

Mages and Archers got huge reworks.
Squire got a few reworked skills.
Marche from FFTA got put in. Onion knight, Dark knight and cactuars got put in.

>Algus Sadalfas: Animals have no God!
Goddamn that was good.

little money

Huh, really? I got the mercenary route on my first playthrough. Were there any requirements aside from not failing any missions?

Growlanser II was absolutely amazing by the way.

thats a nice party you have there.

I think you had to re visit some towns and talk to certain npcs before a certain event triggers.

Growlanser 3 was better desu.

Yea most classes don't get interesting shit until the 20s. What's worse is thay everytime a class levels that character gets a parameter boost depending on the class, so if you're a min/max fag you need to go through the early game with as little classes as possible

>We'll never get another tactics game that isn't disgaea.

well Matsuno is doing some stuff for FFXIV. Maybe something can come after that.