>It's a breath of fresh air, all the other games nowadays are too casual is something a lot of souls fan say when asked why they like it.
The increased difficulty (less supportive compared to modern games) fills their "gamer ego", but also, particularly with souls fans, everyone's become an expert in level design and feel they're capable of "objectively" looking at a level. So discussion/criticism is often met by a weird type of assessment, where everything is overthought and an area can't be difficult, for example, just for the sake of it -- there has to be a reason.
I also don't know what the hell you're talking about, nobody says that an area can't be difficult, just that it should be smartly designed and hopefully has more to it than just being difficult.
Jayden Davis
DeSfags are the worst
Its a 6/10 game. It and vanilla DaS2 are neck and neck in terms of quality. SotFS is absolutely mandatory for the DLC alone and DaS3 is mandatory because it has some of the best boss fights in the series. What does DeS have that makes it "mandatory" other than it being the first game in the series?
Daniel Smith
i dont have a "gamer ego" and i dont pretend to be hardcore for enjoying the series, i like the challenge because its not fucking boring as shit, literally no other reason, not that i expect more casual gamers to understand what thats like if they dont play videogames all the time and find normal games challenging/dont even want challenge
also dark souls has pretty terrible level design and people only say otherwise because its cool the way the levels are strung together, the levels themselves are mostly ranging from mediocre-shit, easily some of the best atmosphere though mainly solely because of the idea of hollows and the undead
Cameron Morgan
litterally all of the best levels in the series aside from the dlc ones in bb. darksouls doesn't even come close to the level of quality design
Elijah Gray
DeS is pretty neato, the level design is pretty on spot. The bosses aren't too great but the combat is pretty good with normal enemies.
DaS > BB = Ds3 > DeS > DaS2
Adrian Harris
Bloodborne > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls > Dark Souls III > Dark Souls II
You cannot refute that.
James Robinson
Anyone got the "babbies first hardcore game" pasta?
Easton Morales
Atmosphere, nonlinear progression, lack of 'streamlining' in general, fun mechanics, an interesting setting, and yes it's the original.
No part of Dark Souls II is mandatory since it's such a god damned chore just to play because every little thing down to just moving your character is imprecise and poorly animated.
Dark Souls III's bosses are really nothing special, not after Bloodborne, and not with Dark Souls III's thoughtless mechanics.
Noah Diaz
>atmosphere Why hasn't Latria been topped 7 years later?
Dylan Myers
Latria isn't really that good though, I liked most of BBs atmosphere better.
The ithryll dungeon tried to be better but was to tedious to create the atmosphere (not that those tentacle face guys were easy the first time you do it.
Nolan Harris
xcuse me sir
Nathaniel Parker
>Latria isn't really that good though
Daniel Cox
how is dark souls hardcore? I played the game for 2min before I refunded the game due to its atrociously slow gameplay.
Nolan Smith
If we are talking about what comes after Bloodborne/DaS3, I would rather take world selection than interconnected world.
Thomas Hall
Dark souls is shit I don't get it Basically Witcher but with a shitty physics engine and also the Witcher was actually good.
Inb4 "git gud" Nigga theres so many more difficult games than this. These are the same people that are gonna buy Nier lmao
Jonathan Fisher
This is some grade A nonsensical juvenile ramblings of a idiot with a chip in his shoulder. Your taste is shit you're an asshurt casual who's dumb lmao
Tbh I dislike it when an user think they know shit about video games because they played a game they think is hard. Even if the game actually is hard, that is no factor.
Jacob Anderson
>Bolataria First half is good, second half is garbage
>Valley of Defilement Just terrible
>StoneFang Just terrible
>Latria Overrated as fuck. Level design wise its boring as hell but the atmosphere is top-notch I'll admit.
>Shrine of Storms Pretty great
The levels really aren't that great. The bosses, while not as insultingly poorly designed as some of DaS2's worst bosses, are still incredibly boring. The only "puzzle" boss that remotely worked was the False Idol, the rest fall flat on their face. Flame-Lurker and Man-Eaters are both painfully mediocre. False King is the only good non-puzzle boss in the game but the fights in the DaS1 DLC, BB and DaS3 absolutely destroy it. The only way that DeS is a mandatory game to play is that its the first game in the series. You don't miss much by skipping it.
Anthony Carter
>slow gameplay makes things easy man wow u need to play more games. >doesnt like souls games = casual found the real one right here buddy
Ethan Carter
>I also don't know what the hell you're talking about
because you are retarded
John Hall
DS>BB>>>DS3
DaS and DS2 aren't worthy of being included at all.
Ethan Nelson
>nonlinear progression
>warp to level >only one way to a boss >nonlinear progression
Christopher Lewis
I enjoyed every Souls game and Bloodborne. Welp see ya later.
Noah Jenkins
This guy gets it.
Demon's Souls introduced a lot of the mechanics that make the franchise so great, but it didn't quite perfect everything. Bosses were mostly shit, with few of them actually being enjoyable.
Apart from that, the levels got stale thanks to only there being 5. Yeah, they changed a bit, but it wasn't enough to keep it from becoming stale.
There's also a lack of variety in builds, which makes the experience a lot more boring. I feel like a lot of its flaws just wouldn't be accepted if the game was newer.
Julian Wood
>BB still the best game >will NEVER be released on a platform with a smooth framerate, no jaggies and fewer bugs I own a PS4 and I'm still mad.
Julian Ortiz
great taste
Zachary Thomas
well the gameplay was so damn slow that it doesnt challenge me in any way so why waste time?
Samuel James
BB > DS1 > DS3 > DS2
Nolan Diaz
how is this post relevant? op mentions nothing against enjoying the games
Isaiah Taylor
I feel that its the game you should play first since its impossible to really enjoy it after playing others. Like how its rare to find any Souls game past your first difficult, only a few bosses per game really challenge people who played all previous entries.
At that point, you know how slow to play it and how cautious to take everything.
Jonathan White
nah im not defending this game since most of the shit is just gank/jump scar teir deaths. monster hunter is a challenging game that has slow combat, not everything needs to be super speedy to be a chellenge man, that just a imiture way of thinking
Colton Morris
I liked Dark Souls 2 the most, but the other games are great and I understand why people would prefer them.
Aiden Lopez
Bear in mind that im not your average low IQ Sup Forums shitter that has trouble with games like Dark Souls so I am the exception to the rule
Ayden Lee
My biggest problem with the series has never been that it is difficult, but rather why it's difficult. And why it's difficult is shifty physics and glitches, scenarios that are deliberately stacked against you until you get fucked by them, long time sinks for both retreading the same ground or grinding, and the game doing a piss poor job at describing/conveying it's own mechanics.
Its never given me a reason to care about playing it. If a game requires I become a master of autism to beat it, it better give me a damn good reason other than some shifty bragging rights.
Lucas Martin
no you are an idiot, you keep on trying to prove your self to people online rather hne giveing a proper response to the person you ar talking to. your as bad as the people who think they are 'hardcore' for liking souls and you need o grow up or deal with you emotional issuse that you have.
Nolan Brown
>that gif
Jeremiah Cruz
>If a game requires I become a master of autism to beat it, it better give me a damn good reason other than some shifty bragging rights. That's literally the reason to play games. To overcome a challenge.
Juan Bailey
dude you're being tricked hard
Jordan Butler
Not him but how exactly? I genuinely found it so damn easy that I refunded that piece of garbage, not my fault you guys are garbage in games, fucking millenials.
Asher Sanchez
>cant name a level from dark souls as good or better than any of these because there is none > thinks valley of defilement is bad and shrine of storms is good lmao, how to not be taken seriously 101
Liam Scott
your spelling is what's immature
Lucas Rogers
Matthewmatosis parroting. Most of the people spewing that shit can't even explain what it means much less give good reasons for why it's the correct way to do things.
Ethan Campbell
you mean ni-oh, user.
Nicholas Nguyen
>Matt parrots Sup Forums >Sup Forums now accused of parroting Matt forever
Anthony Nelson
It's non-linear because you can play the levels in any order while keeping your progress and having the ability to jump around them as you please. How is this hard to grasp?
Gavin Butler
No one on Sup Forums said this vague horse shit until Matt's DS2 review, it was generally replaced by the things people actually mean when they say it
William Young
the point is still valid regardless or does everything hae to be black and white with you because of your autisum
Alexander Powell
sorry user, i just wanted a (you) to see if they removed it
gambatte!
Brayden Edwards
Isn't that like the first half of Dark Souls 2?
Joshua Watson
Yes but Demon's Souls does it far better
Adam Martinez
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Logan Bell
With the DLC it brings up the areas on par with other souls games, it had the best build variety and pvp in my opinion and referenced souls 1 on occasion with out being annoying about it like 3 did.
Ethan Butler
>the unmemorable boring as fuck linear levels full of skeletons is "pretty great" >tower of lautria has "boring" level design theres no way this is a real opinion that exists in real life
Mason Harris
no wonder he cant comprehend why Das level design is so shit tier, jesus
Oliver Cruz
>then put the next game you play on the hardest mode you stupid fuccboi
Michael Baker
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Gabriel Peterson
>report post
Logan Clark
>Matthewmatosis People on Sup Forums can't think for themselves.
Kayden Nelson
Does DeS have music as good as BB and the DaS games?
Jose Jenkins
Demon's Souls is a love it or hate it kind of deal. It does a good job of creating tension though, it's not the same kind of big orchestral music as the rest.
Joshua Myers
not as good as blood borne, probably on the same level as dark souls, perhaps better or worse depending on your taste, it has a very different style so its pretty subjective youtube.com/watch?v=yMnn5icPI6s
Angel Lopez
*Demon's Souls music is
Owen Bailey
>play all 3 edgy souls games first >finally get ps3 to play all the exclusives for 10€ a pop 1 month ago >demons souls is now considered a "sought after gem" where I live >pay the premium to get it >it turns out to be the worst of all "souls" games >online is deader than dead (obviously) >the nexus system is alright but removes the joy of seamless exploration >only 2 worlds out of 5 are actually interesting and/or good >got it with the expectation to get hooked like the first time with prepare to die or ds3 but still didn't complete it all >took days or week breaks to play this game >it became a fucking "just get it over with" chore >starting to hate it even more than non DLC ds2
You tricked me, it aged like shit and blows. Ds1 will not age like that in comparison because of how much better the world design is.
Xavier White
>hooked >ds3 You tricked yourself.
Hudson Morales
i am going to add that it has one of the best tracks in the series though, cant decide which version i like more
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it asshat. I did because you know.. Online is active and world is much better than the turd demons souls has to offer.
Leo Lee
How triggered are you that your opinion is wrong?
Thomas Phillips
They really should've brought back DeS's music director for DS. Demon's Souls has some of the most memorable music in the franchise.
Xavier Lee
This is unironically the worst boss in the series. I don't even care if some of the bosses in Dark Souls 2 sucked, they have nothing on the Bed of Chaos
Justin Long
Dark souls 2 bosses were awful because of shit like the two Dragonriders and Rat King(?), and then shit like Demon of Song where you can just play keep away and rape it with arrows.
Gabriel Adams
Speaking of music, how is the music in the King's Field and Shadow Tower games?
c'mon that's silly. i havent played DeS, but to knock it because of dead online is stupid
Wyatt Hill
They're hard in the same way rogue-likes are hard, but I mean games like Bloodborne kind of lose their intimidating nature when you learn that you can avoid practically everything by rolling into the boss.
I mean, I'm assuming that's the case with most of them but I haven't played the DLC or anything.
why in gods name to people complain about 3 referencing 1? its a direct sequel to 1 with a shitload of returning characters and areas why would it not reference it constantly?
Nicholas Diaz
i think you mean literally the best ost ever made period
And if any game is challenging at all, it's now the DARK SOULS of it's genre. Dark Souls is the Jojo of video games.
Lincoln Reyes
The problem is there's no logical transition from the setting of 1 to 2 to 3 so it's all just immersion breaking and comes across as lazy.
Joshua Martin
What seems to be the problem, user-kun?
Isaiah Russell
Why do people act like Dark Souls created punishing gameplay? Virtually everything it does was done fairly regularly and typically pretty well until the end of gen 6.
Gabriel Hill
Delete this at once.
Christopher Torres
It's very much the case regardless of DLC. They're not particularly hard games, just very focused on boss pattern recognition and thus they're just slightly unusual games considering the era they came out in. Before the end of gen 6, there would be nothing really notable about what they do aside the multiplayer shit. They would simply be hailed as well made games.
Xavier Murphy
But what is the Dark Souls of Sup Forums boards? Is it /ic/ ?
Jordan Perez
why do you even count 2? its pretty much fan fiction tier, you're just setting yourself up for failure and confusion
Parker Richardson
>It's non-linear because you can play the levels
Yes you can play any level, from the start only and then you can only progress in one narrow way in that level, compare that to souls where you are given multiple choices on which area you can take and even skip past area bosses to fight other bosses.
Carter Smith
I think I actually far prefer the king's field music over BB or DaS stuff.
Not really into the big orchestral stuff they had; this really works for me.
Xavier Nguyen
not him but >can only progress in one narrow way in that level >implying demons souls levels with their actual smart design and short cuts and such arent vastly less linear than any dark souls level if you count the design of the entire open world map as one level you might just barely be able to consider dark souls level design as good as demons
