>tank with 600 HP and a self heal
>hook can pull people through walls and instantly kill most of the roster
why is this allowed? even when you play as roadhog, it feels like you're cheating when you hook someone and watch them get pulled through structures to die instantly.
why don't you get a real job you fucking clown
>why is this allowed?
Why isn't this phrase autobanned yet?
what are some games?
what am I in for?
what did he mean by this?
what was his fucking problem?
name ONE (1)
D.Va has 600 HP including armor, meaning she can take even more hits than Roadhog, and can delete any and all projectiles her shield and has a booster to escape with while Roadhog has zero movement skills. How is that allowed?
>Does 0 damage in mech when not inside the enemy model
That's how
You got a sack on you old man
Get the fuck out of my car
So why aren't you in the top 500? Oh, right. You're probably in gold and just want to complain about getting killed. Carry on.
Because Koreans are the most powerful race.
You can win games with D.Va even without shooting a bullet, it's not about damage
Because her only feasible way of killing anyone is holding down left mouse button and hoping she kills someone before they kill her
One grossly overpowered mechanic and one absolutely useless combine to make a mediocre hero
Yet D.Va pretty much always beats Roadhog in a on 1 fight.
Please, unless you're absolute trash at aiming or trying to snipe it's not hard to do at least 60-90 DPS with her guns. While that's low on the tank end (Winston-0 Energy Zarya) when combined with her massive amount of survivabilty you've still got a good chance to win. And that's just against squishies, against tanks you should be easily doing over 120.
They would be fine in another meta, but in this one they're basically a must pick everytime and that's not a really good thing in a Class Based Shooter. They're not OP on their own, they're just too good with Ana. Nerf a little bit Ana's healing and the job's done.
>now that the dust has settled
>can we all agree that
>how do we fix
>what went wrong
>he thinks top 500 is something to be proud of in pleberwatch
seriously, if god awful players like sniperwolf can get carried there then it's nothing to give a shit about
>Main roadhog
>genji try to flank
>hook and head shot
>screams that roadhog broken
>enemy rein leading a charge
>flank him, hook him out of position from the side and bypassing the shield
>screams that roadhog is broken
>Pharah plinking us from afar
>flies too close
>manage to catch her at what I imagine is the very end of the hook pull
>screams that roadhog is broken
God damn playing roadhog is like, the best feel. I know what my first golden weapon will be.
I want to fuck the shit out of SSSniperWolf
I don't care if her voice is the most annoying thing I've ever heard in my life, she's basically Olivia Munn if Olivia Munn didn't have a mannish body
Golden Zenyatta Balls?
Hook should be fixed to be more fair
Getting top 500 doesn't really mean much, it just means you play Overwatch for an unhealthy amount of time. All of the skill levels feel the same past Diamond.
>no armor
>no mobility
>hit someone with a pretty short range projectile once every 6 seconds and they die for it
>this is somehow OP
Widowmaker and Hanzo do more damage, faster, but nobody whines about how they're overpowered. Even Bastion's a Roadhog that doesn't NEED hook, and has a better ult, AND armor, and the only people whining about Bastion are bronze shitters.
They work the same as any other projectile. Learn to juke.
Soldier does a really good job against roadhog
I can't wait til they do something about Roadhog, not because I think he's overpowered or bullshit, but because you niggers can finally stop whining about him.
Like if the ranking was working. Me and a friend of mine played started the last season one day before it ended just for a laugh, we playied like shit, went afk, used Torbjorn and Hanzo just to piss off our teammates and we ended up in silver. I mean, we almost volountarily lost 9 games, the season was ending, we dont care about golden weapons and we wanted to piss off some people and have a laugh. This season we went 9 wins with allways golden elimination or healing and we ended up silver, just like last season. We playied another 10 games and we won everyone of them. What a piece of shit
>people bitched when the meta was determined by which team had the better Genji
>Genji was arguably one of the most complicated heroes to play in Overwatch, rewarding skill and game sense
>gets nerfed to the ground
>loses all complexity with animation canceling and edge dashing being removed
>currently in the "whoever has the better Roadhog wins" meta
>all the trash Roadhog mains start going on full damage control trying to justify their trash hero
Can't wait until this 0 skill tank meta gets nerfed to the ground. All of you shitters that got easy Grandmaster ranks won't survive in the DPS meta.
protect MY TURRET
Can someone explain to me what exactly people think is broken about Roadhog's hook? It is a projectile. If you get hit by it, you suffer the effects of it. That is the way it works with any projectile in the game. Get hit by Hanzo's arrow? You take damage from it. Get hit by Junkrat's grenade? Pharah's rocket? You take damage from it. Even hitscan weapons... if you get hit by Widowmaker's shot as you are retreating around a corner, regardless of how much of your hitbox it hits, you take damage from it. Roadhog's hook? If it touches you, you're dragged. That's it. If it touches a fuck ton of your hitbox, you get dragged. If it touches almost none of your hitbox, you still get dragged. If you're standing wide out in the open, you get dragged. If you are rounding a corner and feel like you're safe behind a wall, you still get dragged if the hook contacted you.
The only instance I've seen where it was TRULY broken was it contacting Sombra right as she translocated, and dragging her hundreds of meters through the level. Other than that? A projectile hit you, you suffer the effects of it. That isn't broken.
>they will never fix tanks
>they will never fix ana
>they will never fix matchmaking
>they will never fix 2cp
>they will never fix the awful map design
>they will never fix defense classes
>they will never fix the imbalance of weak ults to obviously superior/more useful ults
>they will never fix mcree
>they will never fix sombra
>they will never fix cooldowns on abilities that obviously need a tweak
>Can someone explain to me what exactly people think is broken about Roadhog's hook?
It pulls you through walls and environmental cover. I wouldn't even mind just one wall, that's clearly lag or w/e, but getting pulled through:
>a car
>a corner
>a wall
>Still landing directly in front of them with no inertia
Is fucking retarded.
>Genji was arguably one of the most complicated heroes to play in Overwatch, rewarding skill and game sense
>gets nerfed to the ground
>loses all complexity with animation canceling and edge dashing being removed
lol genji is still viable but now the skill ceiling to play him is higher
No longer can he spam dragon dragon ult to wipe 4-6 people at a MINIMUM
Can no longer burst damage 250 damage
You can still animation cancel but it's less forgiving now
> animation canceling taking skill
Lol'd hard
The only nerf roadhog needs is hook range nerf as it's always been way too far and his alt fire to use all ammo or 2 shots
The characters to be over nerfed in this game has been mcree, zenyatta, bastion, torbjon (consoles)
You got hit by it. What do you expect to happen? You walk away consequence free?
>Get hit by Hanzo's arrow? You take damage from it. Get hit by Junkrat's grenade? Pharah's rocket? You take damage from it.
Hanzo's arrow does 30-125 damage on a bodyshot. Junkrat's grenade does up to 120 damage on a hit. Pharah's rocket does up to 120 damage on a hit.
Roadhog's hook+shot does an AVERAGE of 155 damage on a hit, more if any part of your shot grazes their head (not incredibly hard when you know exactly where they'll be). Add in a melee and you've killed a good chunk of most heroes before they have a chance to do, well, anything.
In addition to that, he's a Tank. He shouldn't be able to outdamage squishier heroes, because that just makes him objectively better than them. And "objectively better than another character" is never something you want in a """competitive""" game.
if you're trash at roadhog
We're not talking about Roadhog's primary or secondary fire, or his melee. We're talking about his hook, and how it doesn't behave any differently than any other attack in the game, in that if it hits you, the game should treat it as if you've been hit. Because you have.
you mention armor like it makes you invincible, it only reduces damage for maybe 5 characters
Every competitive game with a roster to choose from has always had objectively better characters.
Jesus Blizzard may as well just import the entire SMNC 2 roster and call it a day.
Don't forget
>What went right
Yeah you have to play for the current patch. I'm sure some day there will be a Hanzo meta or whatever other character people think is underpowered.
He's a big ass fucking target with a slow firing weapon that only has 4 shots, and he relies on comboing an attack after a successful drag. There are characters he counters. There are characters he doesn't. Just like the rest of the heroes in the game, if you don't want to get destroyed by him over and over again, pick a hard counter.
>trolling people trying to grind the last days of the season
>gets punished for being a faggot
Honestly, lts too good, hope you stay forever there cunt
>lol genji is still viable but now the skill ceiling to play him is higher
I don't think you know what a skill ceiling is. Just because he's shittier than his pre-nerf version doesn't make him more skillful to play with. With more aspects of his character being removed from his kit that lowers the skill ceiling to play Genji.
>No longer can he spam dragon dragon ult to wipe 4-6 people at a MINIMUM
Nice hyperbole.
>Can no longer burst damage 250 damage
He can still burst that much, it's just much clunkier and less fluid.
>animation canceling taking skill
Anyone can animation cancel, but can you actually apply it to a game?
Stay mad plat road main. See you next patch.
It's not only that but in this game positioning matters a lot more than in some other shooters because of the small maps and low team sizes. You can almost always see a roadhog coming and all that guy has to do is just position himself away from the hook.
Roadhog's hook shouldn't be used for self-frags, but team-frags.
What I mean by this is that his hook needs to be a utility ability, like a support ability, rather than just a killing tool for himself.
There needs to be a delay after Roadhog hooks where he can't shoot, so it's use won't be "spam and get free kills" where it would now be "hook in enemies for my team to attack".
If you disagree then you're a stupid Roadhog main that can't kill shit outside of hooks.
if blizzard admits its broken, its broken
His hook is hitscan, you stupid fuck.
This is objectively wrong.
This will never happen.
The only change I want on the hook is no stun while being hooked. If you can fucking unload on him as he's pulling you, some Roadhogs would think twice about doing it honestly.
Like if you fucking hook a 100 energy Zarya, you are totally fucked. If you hook a tracer you are risking having a ult being thrown on you. etc
The fact it stuns you is why I think hook is bullshit.
Roadhog's chain+shot combo is actually far less damaging than Reinhardt's charge, which can kill any non-tank instantly.
god someone just nuke this fucking board already
Dude, once on Anubis I was behind the point B door with only my gun sticking out and I never peaked, but some Hog threw his hook and it "got me" even though I LITERALLY never showed 99% of my character, just the tip of Ana's sniper.
Now you would be a shitty dva without the mobility, armor, fucking op barrier, point clearing ult, infinite ammo
Mcfuckingkillyourself
It is a spherical projectile, dipshit. Watch Kaplan's videos some time and actually learn how the fucking game works.
its that he isn't risking anything to use it
600 health
with a 6 second cd cooldown insta kill
just around corners peek for the hook and run back and never die while having a chance to one shot their med every 6 seconds
Wow you are fucking retarded. Go to the OW forums, faggot.
That's not relevant. An attack contacted your hitbox. You suffered from the attack. That's how any attack in the game works.
>dont stun enemies that are hooked
>dont make their camera immediately face roadhog when they are hooked
>he can be knocked out of the hook after he takes like 150 damage or so if someone is fast enough
JEFF KAPLAN SAID IT IS A FUCKING SPHERICAL PROJECTILE, YOU FUCKING AUTISMAL PIECE OF SHIT.
GUESS I JUST SUCK LOL
Go kill yourself, subhuman.
I'm not and you have multiple people in this thread telling you that you are in fact, wrong on this one. I'm sorry you can't handle the bantz. Maybe you're just slow.
I'm not going to argue with stupid but HOLY shit that projection
Thanks for the laugh, thankfully I don't encounter your kind in the grandmasters
NICE CITATIONS YOU GOT THERE, FAGGOTS
You can play 10 games and place grandmaster...2/10 for making me reply
No no, you need to explain this. I'm genuinely curious, do you think if you get hit by an attack in the game, the game should just ignore it? Because that's what it seems like. It seems like an attack contacted your hitbox, however little, and you think that the game should just not count it.
he thinks he should be able to do whatever he wants and never get punished ever.
he never listened to the wise words of Drew Pickles : Part of growing up means doing things that you HAVE to do not just doing whatever you want.
if the hook was hitscan people would barely ever miss with it and have accuracy's around 90% or so
i dodge hooks all the time. one because im not slow, two because roadhog is huge and his footsteps are loud and i can see him coming from fucking africa
and three git gud idiot.
I think the hitboxes should be fixed tbqh they're all wonky.
From a Kotaku article, this is what Blizzard responded with:
“Under the hood of the Overwatch engine, Roadhog’s hook is basically a sphere that he throws out and searches for targets as it moves. If the hook finds a target, it will pull them back to you. We’re talking about various improvements to the hook to help solve odd edge cases, especially where the target is out of line of sight or unable to reasonable be moved back to Roadhog. It is not a hitscan attack.”
Now fuck off, you're wrong.
I tell ya what, when I first saw the Abominations in Warcraft 3 over a decade ago, I never would've thought I would get to play them in first person.
Of course you suck, you should have known the hitboxes you can't see are big enough that you'd be hit by an attack you didn't know was coming or could hit you.
>y-you're projecting!
>Road main thinks his fake Grandmasters badge actually means he's good
You better appreciate the tank meta while it lasts.
...
That could literally be said of any attack in the game.
No, only attacks that hit you from around a corner that you weren't sticking out of.
You really need to watch a video about the hitboxes in this game. You can practically shoot 5 feet next to an opponent and hit them with Hanzo's arrows. Most of the projectile attacks work this way.
guy got 4 shots to his name, is BIG and WIDE as fuck so hiding is almost non existent, and a huge target to many ultis so hes not off scott free
in my opinion he is one of the best feeling champs in the game
Apologize.
>so hiding is almost non existent,
And if anyone finds you, you just hook and kill them with your combo!
I guess we really are (insert game name here)
>shitty genji soldier or zenyatta trap themself in a small room to kill me
>Just hook for stun and fire four close range shots with little to no aim
>drug up and carry on
every time
>muh metas
>easy rank x
this whole game was trash to play in comp mode because of stupid anime posting fucks like you, whatever shred of a chance this game had left to be fun got shit on when people like you showed up
You sound like you're not much fun either.
that's what the booster are for you dunce
>me ooga
>team booga
>ung
how about 400 ARMOR and 200 HP and the ability to self respawn and block ALL projectiles. When armor pretty much halves the damage of automatic and spread weapons?
go ahead and tell me how a hog can beat a Dva 1-on-1 without hooking her off a cliff
sounds like hell
>Can someone explain to me what exactly people think is broken about Roadhog's hook?
The fact that you can hook people who are out of line of sight on an upper ledge because the vertical hitbox is gigantic. Also, it's broken in detrimental ways for the player as well since it arbitrarily pulls certain characters certain distances (e.g. Zenyatta and McCree always get pulled closer while Soldier and Ana are usually a couple meters farther). Why? Who fucking knows? Not to mention the glitchiness when it puts people behind you or doesn't pull them at all if they get caught on one tiny lip of a wall. Collision and consistency are its two biggest problems by far.
why is he sweating? is he trying to hide a boner?
>no movement abilities
>prolonged self-heal
>weapon with worst range
>has to actually have skill and land his hook to be a viable pick
Dont be a salty faggot because a roadhog pulled you out of position and facefucked you.
D.Va is far more busted. Or Pharah, who they thought it was a good idea to give a splash-based weapon with fast projectile speed even though she is also the only character who can fly. Good design, stupid.
That's not the biggest issue. If the combo wasn't there, it would be less of an issue that you get pulled through walls.
>Pharah
heh, just started playing not too long ago, this hero gives me the largest tribes boner.
Why, you don't ski.
hey, (You)s are back!
its the projectiles, no ski, but sniping idiots with the not disk launcher is still pretty great.
>Roadhog can hook friendlies to save them
Is he good now bros
>giving me a (You)(You)