Man on Nar Shaddaa is dying of space AIDS

>man on Nar Shaddaa is dying of space AIDS
>take 3 seconds out of my day to help him
>I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WOULD DO THAT COMPASSION WEAKENS YOU BOTH
>INFLUENCE LOST

What is her problem?

Let's just say she's a social darwinist

The guy got the shit beaten out of him five seconds later because of your kindness. All you did was cause pain and make a weak man suffer for no reason other than to feel good about yourself

The problem is you acting like a moralfag out of pure moralfagness instead of caring for what consequences your actions have besides immediately making a beggar happy

>What is her problem?


Shes a jedi

That's a different one.
OP is talking about the guy standing on the eastern door of the refugee sector, going down the ramps.

You are talking about the niggers begging for cash right outside the landing pad.

what
no shes not

Tips fedora

Bet if that was you dying of space AIDS in the refugee quarter you'd be posting online 24/7 about how it's unfair that nobody will help you

not sure if pasta but the whole point of kreia is to show you how retarded the black and white nature of the force is. reven did the same thing, at least before bioshit retconned everything

You're fucking stupid. The entire lecture she gives is to make you consider the consequences of your actions, good and bad.

>silly robe
>gay light sword
>magical space religion

I hate this meme around that part, all Kreia wants no matter what you do to that guy is to acknowledge your actions have unintended consequences and to respect her trying to teach you. She's a desperate old woman who craves your validation which is a huge part of her character.

The force is literally good and evil

Muh grayness is lazy and shows that Obsidian doesn't understand the source material

>not convincing him to sudoku in order to not infect the other rapefugees

Shes basically the moral grey area character. She is neither jedi nor sith. She is a really cool old hag tho. Thank you based Obsidian.

>Do bad thing
>She shits on you
>Do good thing
>She shits on you

>Tell her you are sick of her shit and she can go choke on a thousand cocks
>She praises you and gives you a congratulatory blowjob

Basically, she's teaching you to stop being a damn pussy asking for her permission and judgment for everything like a 3 years old does to her mommy. Grow a damn spine and do the shit you wanna do for whatever the fuck reason you believe in. That's what Kreia is teaching you damn pussy.

>no option to tightly hug Kreia and tell her everything is alright

At the end of the day Kreia is a manipulative Sith bitch and her harshness comes through despite muh grey morality that she goes on about. She's not infallible

This guy is one stone-cold motherfucker.

>obsidian
>muh grayness

oh stop. jolee did the same thing. quit playing the same old i hate obsidian card we see in every fucking kotor thread.

Dwooo....

>The force is literally good and evil

Let me guess... Episode VII was your first Star Wars movie?

...

I didn't do anything to make him suffer, those were others. Unless you're saying I'm responsible for the actions of someone I have no control over and have never met before.

She's a hag and an annoying hipster if you ask me

She's a fucking Sith, don't listen to anyone saying hurr durr she's grey.

Of course she would object to you helping someone, Sith are all about strength and shit but don't understand strength coming from helping each other just as much as helping yourself. Sadly, because the game is written to make Kreia right, you can't point this out, and of course the beggar situation is a lose lose to make Kreia right and preachy anyways.

Does any of his dialogue actually changes by going dark side

So would Kreia and Jolee get along then?

Nope.

>argue with her
>she chastises you
>hurr durr i'll think about it
>influence gained.

He isn't even aware that Episode VII was clearly inspired by KOTOR

T3 was the real hero.

He becomes a sadistic fuck that shocks other robots for fun.

Probably. But not to the extremes.

The more I think about Star Wars, the more I realize it's actually a really stupid and limited universe. The Jedi are pacifist warrior monks who are talented empaths and can feel the impact of deaths from light years away who excel at space combat and fight in wars, none of this shit makes any sense or be anything else but schlock. The EU turned into a gigantic mess because there's nothing there, there's nothing to really dig into, the force as defined is contradictory and just lets good guys kill bad guys and have everyone feel good about what happened, the politics make no sense and aren't given any real weight anyway.
The only driver of conflict is a nonsense mysticism that if given like 2 seconds of thought falls apart completely, I'm kind of glad Star Wars is becoming a Disney Cinematic universe so everyone can get tired of it soon and maybe someone will take a look at it and make an actually good setting from it

What's the best face and why is it space Jesus?

>The force is literally good and evil

Chaos vs order retard. The entire point of the Jedi is to bring balance to the force.

You didn't read some of the better works of the EU.

Well it really counts a as a living vs unifying force belief. Its a constant debate but the idea behing the unifying force is that the darkside comes from the people, same with the light. And the living force states that its inherently light or dark.

Jedi Jesus is the only choice.

None of it is canon anymore but the empire being a white supremacist group is. Enjoy your new franchise senpai.

The lesson here is not to help people on shitty planets.

Telos is fine

No. Jolee after being disappoited by the Council, decided to forget everything about it and live in peace, far away from civilization.

Kreia while does not hate the Jedi nor Sith, she HATES the Force itself, hating how we are all puppets to the will of it, and tries to bring death to the force by using you.

TL;DR Jolee wants to be left alone while Kreia wants to set everything on fire.

>we will never have a movie/book on the same level as traitor ever again
Feels bad man.

Star Wars was originally a mishmash of Kurosawa, classic space serials, and Joseph Campbell's ridiculous attempt at anthropology. It makes sense when viewed through that lens, but then it stops making sense as a cultural phenomenon.

>The problem is you acting like a moralfag out of pure moralfagness

It's confirmed that you haven't played KOTOR 2 at all. Kreia shits on your choices if you choose Dark Side in that situation.

>All you did was cause pain and make a weak man suffer for no reason other than to feel good about yourself

I didn't. The other homeless douchebag that attacked him did. Also, it's just Kreia manipulating the scenario for you to kowtow to her will. She uses that situation to force you to her way of understanding and philosophy; which, if you disagree with her in both LS and DS options will result in losing her influence.

>It's confirmed that you haven't played KOTOR 2 at all. Kreia shits on your choices if you choose Dark Side in that situation.
And she also shits on the dark side option because you chose it out of impulse or edgyness and once again did not consider the effects of your actions.

Without knowing her responses in advance it's very hard to gauge what she'll do. You have to be pretty grey and avoid using Force options, since she hates it.

I was just thinking about the scene in question- while she chastises you either way, the point is that she has two lessons to teach you

The first is that being good for good's sake (doing good blindly), like what some other user mentioned, could have potential repercussions. Kreia shows the MC this, but also seeks to warp it in a way to demonstrate her idea of how helping others translates into weakness by removing a person's struggle they could have overcome, becoming stronger in the process.

The other lesson is that suffering begets more suffering, so hurting people for no reason creates a ripple that didn't need to exist.

Both actions, in Kriea's perspective, are "pointless" but echo to create a greater injustice of sorts. The point isn't to look at the good or evil of an action, but to appreciate the influence the action may play down the line.

You can get influence with her in this scene (if I remember right) by acknowledging what she said, vs. sticking to whatever decision you made. Kreia responds well if you respond in a way that shows that you are reflecting on what she's said.

fuck I love the writing in this game

Is it worth getting this game for the Lost Content mod? Is it a lot of added stuff? I haven't played this game since I had it on OG Xbox.

I love how Jolee was an attempt at doing the same thing (the morally gray thing) and BioWare got BTFO by Obsidian doing the same thing but better

Pretty much makes it a completely different game

Don't forget how they even improved on Revan without him even making an appearance.

All she wants out of you is the appearance that you're taking her lessons to heart. So if you're going to do shit like be spontaneously generous or cruel for the sake of it do it where she can't see you and lie about it if she asks.

I have not touched the Lost Content mod, so others could probably speak better on the quality of it. However I have seen some of what it has to offer.

Ironically enough, while it adds just that, more content, it also makes George Lucas-esque changes to already existing scenes. Some bits of the added content are just plain awkward while others are sadly unfinished, as the original assets were unfinished to begin with.

Jolee was an oddity in KOTOR. My favorite character out of the bunch of one note tunes. My second favorite character is mission for god's sake. Almost everyone else was stupid.

Jolee was less morally gray and more 'Get off my lawn you stupid kids'.

He disagreed with the Jedi but still worked for the same thing, and was still very much for the Light Side.

If anything, Juhani was the 'Muh moral grayness' inclusion BioWare pulled.

>Not liking HK

Canderous and Mission were okay tier. HK and Jolee were super bros.

Naturally, Bastilla is for teasing and fucking

If I remember right, Juhani was only really a redemption story. After her appearance as the Grove ghost or whatever they called her, her character was just a walking jedi rehab patient.

or I could be wrong. I'm replaying KOTOR at the moment and I've just gotten off of Dantooine.

oh fuck me I knew I forgot someone. Now that I think about it I find it hilarious that a robot makes for a better character than most of the cast.

Imagine all the alien dick Bastilla took while she was a slave.

From what I recall (which might not be much, didn't really use her much until the Star Forge), her entire thing is that she had a worship complex for Revan due to him showing up on Taris at some point.

So she talks a lot about 'Well I really liked Revan' and that she had thought about Jedi entirely differently before becoming one.

HK is an oddity more so than Jolee. There's a reason he's in every Old Republic game.

Too bad there's not a lot of Old Republic poon outside of the OCs. Too many god damn twi'leks.

Because you got nothing in return.

Credit where credit is due,
BioWare made a great game. Even though KotPR 2 improved nearly every aspect of it's predecessor.

The locations, gameplay, lore, story, characters--they all felt like Star Wars. Hell, it was a better Star Wars story than both Rogue One and especially TFA.

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>It was a better Star Wars story than both Rogue One and TFA

Worth noting that both of those have to deal with post-prequel lore and audience while the KOTORs didn't. Lucas screwed the pooch harder than people think.

>she is neither jedi nor sith
You are a fucking moron and you fell for her ruse hook, line, and sinker. Never trust a Force User that talks about how the Force is "morally grey". They're just a Sith trying to convince you to step onto the slippery slope.

How come the Sith are all sexless wierdos? You'd think they'd be warlords with a huge harem.

They also keep trying to recapture the magic. Think about it: gallows humor, casual attitude toward killing, loyal to the boss-man nonetheless. Which BioWare character am I talking about?

Killing the shit out of people feels way better than sex, and getting close enough to someone to actually have sex with them means opening up a whole bunch of weak points your enemies can capitalize on.

>Worth noting that both of those have to deal with post-prequel lore and audience while the KOTORs didn't.

They didn't so much. They could've done in any direction they wanted to. They just needed to have the characters from the original trilogy show their faces again.

>who is Darth Talon

>Never trust a Force User that talks about how the Force is "morally grey". They're just a Sith trying to convince you to step onto the slippery slope.

>Lucas screwed the pooch harder than people think.
I still don't get why people shit on TFA and Rogue One when the prequels exist. They were so fucking awful that I'd literally rather watch a rehash of a New Hope than any prequel movie, and frankly Rogue One was pretty fucking good. TFA wasn't amazing but it's setting up the groundwork for the other movies in the series and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as any of the prequels.

you just gave me a greater appreciation for her as a character

Revenge of the Sith for all its flaws is miles ahead of TFA.

ESB > ROTJ > ANH > ROTS > TFA > TPM > AOTC

user, you are looking at it through the Lens of a Jedi
What is bad about her being a Sith?

Yet there's no way to come back after saying I'll think about it to tell her off about certain scenes.

That's bad writing.

LEAVE KREIA ALONE! SHE A GUD GURL! DINDU NUFFIN!

>what is bad about being a Sith
You're not going to fool me, Sith. Fuck off back to your backstab circlejerk.

The second half is good, sure, but the first half is still boring senate shit and Anakin and Padme's fucking retarded relationship shit. They also wasted so much potential with Grievous that it hurts.

People don't shit on the new movies, tryhard hipsters do. TFA's only real glaring flaw was that it was a rehash, but it was decent. Rogue One was the Star Warsiest Star Wars we've gotten since RotJ. Literally the only people complaining are the ones who think the originals were great cinema and not just fun popcorn flicks.

I mean jesus...the fucking 3rd one had ewoks winning the decisive battle...

Reminder "morally grey" is key for "I don't want to take responsibility for anything". If you can't identify a right from a wrong you and your entire family need to be shot. Obsidian are atrocious at creating characters, let alone likeable ones.

:(

The problem I have with her reasoning is that even I inadvertently cause the suffering of someone with my kindness, I am sure that statistically it will help more people than it hurts. Just because there is a chance it will not go well, doesn't mean I shouldn't try.

The thing is I actually find fulfillment in doing nice things to others. Helping out strangers in vidya comes naturally to me. Kreia's whole philosophy is about making yourself strong, but that's what she wants, not me. Besides, how could she not recognize the benefits of making friends with people?

She's terribly narrowminded and lacks the ability to put herself in someone else's shoes. She simply assumes everybody else either thinks the way she does or is some kind of idiot who doesn't make sense.

This thread is complete cancer

>how could she not recognize the benefits of making friends with people
She's a Sith. They're all either sociopaths or are about to become sociopaths. Siths who aren't sociopaths get Darth Vader'd.

So is every KOTOR2 thread going to start with someone bitching about how Kreia hurt their feelings?

>effects of your actions.
>my actions
>travel with psycho-manipulative bitch (who trained the worst Sith Lords in history) that has Force Powers which can influence/control peoples' minds
>not controlling the situation from the beginning

See image.

>Kreia responds well if you respond in a way that shows that you are reflecting on what she's said.

So she only responds well to the Exile if you undermine your own choices, so that you make yourself low in subjection to hers? Fuck her. Not listenening to her is strength. Because I excercise my will, not hers.

>but also seeks to warp it in a way to demonstrate her idea of how helping others translates into weakness by removing a person's struggle they could have overcome, becoming stronger in the process.

However, if everything is predetermined by the Force there was no """struggle""" to begin with? Since everything is already set as fate. Kreia is just messing with the player's perception of events to subvert your will in agreement with hers, no matter what

>You have to be pretty grey and avoid using Force options, since she hates it.

Not really. On Onderon for example, I used the Mind Trick Power on one of the Soldiers guarding the Merchant Quarter Entrance. Kreia as usual bitches at me for doing that, however I state that it was necessary for the situation. She shuts up and I get Influence Points with Kreia for standing up for myself. You just need the right time and intuition to challenge her.

This post is painful to read.
Rogue One was 50% explosions, 50% drama. Old Star Wars was 10% explosions, 25% drama, and 65% characters.
It very much plays out like a fan fiction, not a mainline Star Wars movie. Because it ain't. There's no grand story to tell, no character development, it's not even a major plot point. It'd be the same thing if they made a movie about Bothan Spies getting an access code for a Shuttle in RotJ. It's a minor, irrelevant plot point that didn't need an explanation, and offers an exceedingly poor one.

There's a mcguffin.
We have to find its anti mcguffin.
Everyone dies watch the pretty booms.

it is the truth though. jedi are "mindful" of their emotions and thoughts and take conscious effort to control them. Kinda like that eastern philosophy of being "present" and "in the moment".
Sith are the opposite, they feed their emotions to sort of get psyched up I guess to perform better.
If you are not "mindful" of your emotions then it is possible they will end up controlling you (doing something out of anger, like anakin losing it and choking padme) Avoid this is pretty much the entire idea behind the jedi code. if you do fuel your anger instead of being mindful of it and pushing it aside then it literally is a slippery slope.

Well, it's more of a rehash minus the charm, passion, good acting, or understanding of the background material. (Incidentally, those were also the things missing from the prequels, except that Ian McDiarmid delivered consistently good performances.) But then JJ Abrams hasn't made a single good television show or movie, so why would he start now?

Kreia's worldview is an all too convenient excuse for someone with power and influence to not help someone with less, or nothing.

It works out all well and good until you're that person who needs a hand to regain your feet and nobody will give you a hand.

It's just being lazy and blaming someone's situation entirely on them, which isn't always true.

Why bother putting yourself in another persons shoes?
Suppose that you do find fullfilment in helping others user. Then wouldn't that make other people not as good as you for not fulfilling themselves by helping others?

It is odd that a philosophy that preaches passion and indulgence is usually all bloodshed and torture but no sex, drugs, and rocknroll. But I expect that's one part Lucas/Disney's family friendly shtich, and one part demonstration of how degenerate the Darkside really is.

Darth Talon is a Mary Sue twilek slut

Atton calling her out and standing with the Exile because he genuinely likes them and wants to be a Jedi is the biggest fuck you scene to Kreia in the entire game, I loved it so much.

For someone so hating of needing help from someone else, she sure used the Force a lot to manipulate events to """""destroy""""" it, as if the Force didn't already protect itself against it being destroyed with the Exile.

It's also not exactly your fucking fault that hobo got mugged.

But yeah you shouldn't give money to beggars

Darth Caedus pretty openly had sex with Tahiri, everyone around them knew it.

Obsidian loved Kreia so much that she made a cameo appearance in New Vegas

Why does this thread make me feel like getting some pretzels

How dare they talk about videogames

KOTOR 2 was the last Bioware game I played in recent memory. I played the ME trilogy but don't remember anyone who fits that bill.

As a matter of fact I don't remember much of ME other than a few characters here and there.

I think, in the case mentioned, she is more focused on the fact that the MC didn't think about the potential repercussions such an action would have, vs what action they selected, which amounted to "I did it because I have X philosophy"

On the above point, I agree somewhat. It demonstrates the limited writing, a result of it being a game and not being super duper fleshed out. I wonder how she would react if you countered with the example that though you removed on tribulation the beggar could have overcome, your action may have inspired hope for him to overcome the next.

True, you may have what you want to get out of helping people, but that's the issue she's taking with it. You're helping out because it comes naturally and you find fufillment- and this motivation is independent of you thinking about the repurcussions of your actions on the world. The actions you have taken are motivated out of a strictly moral position, and that is what she finds destrictive and distasteful.

I would not agree that she is narrowminded, but she is definitely not empathetic. She hardly sees others as more than tools, but she has her moments where she sees others as humans.

She's also not the be- all end all of the game's philosophy. Other characters rise to counter her a times.

>Not really. On Onderon for example, I used the Mind Trick Power on one of the Soldiers guarding the Merchant Quarter Entrance. Kreia as usual bitches at me for doing that, however I state that it was necessary for the situation. She shuts up and I get Influence Points with Kreia for standing up for myself. You just need the right time and intuition to challenge her.
This is another thing that people always trip over when trying to not lose influence with her. She doesn't want you to be weak and undermine your own actions, she wants you to stand behind your decision and really consider why you did what you did.