After finishing Halo for the first time, I gotta say that this felt like "wasted potential: The game"

After finishing Halo for the first time, I gotta say that this felt like "wasted potential: The game"

The game was fun, but the problem I had with it was master chief.

Basically, master chief behaves like a completely regular soldier. If I didn't know about the halo lore, and nobody had ever told me that master chief is a super soldier, I'd never fucking guess it by myself based on gameplay.

The game does an awful job at making you feel "super". Your character is slow as fuck, he dies from 1 melee attack, has problems killing enemies with 1 melee attacks and is generally very weak.

Now don't say "But he can jump high!", lara croft has no superpowers and she was able to jump like 2 meters high in the original saga. Plus the high jumps of halo could be attributed to the gravity of the place, not just because MC is a super soldier. And don't say "But he can flip tanks!" either, CJ can move a train if he runs against it.

The biggest issue is the discrepancy between books and games. The books list all the amazing feats that MC is capable of performing, but in the games he doesn't even do any of that. I remember a guy told me that the books explicitly state that Spartans can run faster than a leopard and still maintain pin point accuracy while running, when in the games they didn't add sprint until the 4th one and it was rather slow.

So why exactly does everyone loves halo so much? It played very much like a standard FPS. I didn't feel anything special about it. In fact the gunplay was quite terrible with that AR that didn't hit anything past 5 feet

>he plays Halo for the Story/Campiagn

Heroic is the "canon" difficulty

Also you're a faggpt

I appreciate the points you brought up, but my answer is simple;

Nigga it don't matter.

>and is generally very weak.

>I'd never fucking guess it by myself based on gameplay.
Other than all the times you fight alongside NPC Marines and watch them struggle while you kick all sorts of ass?

seriously go blog somewhere else

Long story short people used to like halo as an arena shooter, since it was slower paced.

The combat was also a change from normal fast paced fps

Let me let you in on a secret: it IS a mediocre shooter. The board just got younger and this is where their nostalgia hooks on to. Also it's a lot better than what they do nowadays, so it kinda isn't so mediocre anymore I guess.

There will never, EVER be a book-canon Halo game

>The game does an awful job at making you feel "super". Your character is slow as fuck, he dies from 1 melee attack, has problems killing enemies with 1 melee attacks and is generally very weak.
Its pretty easy to see how he's a super soldier. Look at him compared to the regular marines running around.

Master Chief is to Elites what Marines are to Grunts. How you didnt pick that up is beyond me.

He dies in very few shots for an armor that is supposedly impenetrable.

I actually played it on legendary so I was dying faster than the standard marines if anything.

Also that's a shit argument you got there buddy. Max Payne isn't a super soldier and he still has like 3 times as much HP as any bad guy in his series

You were playing it wrong. Also, Halo is old, of course it's not going to be impressive now when you got games like Titanfall, Overwatch, and Doom 2016.

Next you're gonna try Goldeneye and say it's not that great. Well no shit. It's the current year. Goldeneye was great for it's time though.

In Legendary you die in 3-4 shots. And like I said here thats an extremely retarded argument.

Another example I want to give you is in pretty much every military shooter where you play as an average soldier, all of the random friendly NPCs have as much hp as the enemies, and it's never as much as you do, if they take 4 shots you can take 8, and nobody in there is a super soldier.

There are VERY FEW games where friendly NPCs have more health than the player character

its almost as if its a fucking game.

If the library didn't make you feel like a super soldier I don't know what could

But there were great shooters back when halo was first released and I don't see how halo held a candle to them.

Half life alone was miles better than halo. And it actually makes you believe that your character has a super armor

>legendary
hah, yeah. you see op higher difficulties make the game harder. how old are you op?

you read the books, don't you remember how stupid op the covenant are?

MC and the spartans are singlehandedly what keep humanity from being ashes

no it didnt, it had annoying voice, thats all

How the fuck do you not realize master chief is a super soldier through normal gameplay? Youre 2 feet taller than the normal marines and in advanced cyborg armor.

Yeah it is. So saying that "BEING ABLE TO RESIST MORE THAN YOUR FELLOW FRIENDLY NPC WAS TOTAL PROOF THAT YOU WERE A SUPER SOLDIER" is retarded as fuck.

he's new to the series, he just wants to nitpick shit.

Let me guess, you were playing on Legendary.

The recommended (and "canon") difficulty is Heroic which is literally half as difficult.

the fuck are you on about, son?

Well I sure as hell did felt like one when I was taking rockets to the face left and right while I watched the power supply drop down, or when I was making those sick long jumps (I know that was an extra module but still). And the voice also helped to make it more credible, like those diagnosis messages "FRACTURE DETECTED: MORPHINE ADMINISTERED"

>In Legendary you die in 3-4 shots
>plays on the hardest difficulty and complains about it being hard
You're a faggot.

Nah famalam desu master chief is able to take an absurdly small amount of punishment even in lower difficulties although thats more because the covenant plasma weapons shut down shields in 1 shot according to lore

Let me guess. You played on legendary difficulty and suck dick at FPS's and complaining you weren't 1 shotting everything despite there being 3 difficulties lower.

You realize legendary is just to make the game insanely hard for no reason, right?

Wow this is going back 12 years ago but one thing my friends didnt understand but annoyed me for some reason was in the manual itvsays hes over 1000lbs or something like that with his armor. But not even the tiniest dent in a warthog or any vehicle whsn hit. Petty I know but why write that.

nobody in armor could take a rocket to the face and survive. you defeated your own argument.

I can literally complete halo 1 heroic solo without ever dropping shield.

You're just terrible at games.

who cares?

Master chief is practically invincible, this is just the scale of how horrifying the conditions of the war really were.

When the fuck did I complained about the game being hard you raging turboautists?

All I'm saying is that the game does a terrible job at making Master chief feel like a supersoldier. The low health part was only one of the few reasons why I stated that. You faggots are nitpicking a single point I mentioned to try and disprove my entire argument.

He doesn't feel like a super soldier because he doesn't do shit, there's no special skills or anything that make MC feel special

>"It was a 2001 game!"

Undying released months before halo CE and it does makes you feel like a magician with special abilities.

my memory on halo lore may be rusty, but if I remember correctly, spartan armor was considered weaker than covenant armor simply because the technology wasn't there. They can handle a few plasma shots and spread the hit throughout the armor but after ~3 or 4 hits it's discharged. So, in higher difficulties the same applies, but I agree that in the lore it says spartans are essentially inhuman and the game doesn't translate that all too well, at least up to 5 when they can ground pound, sprint, charge, float, and basically be badass. But at that point 343 basically said anyone can be a spartan which kinda defeats the purpose of them being inhuman.

jesus christ

get a load of this fucking autist, definitely born in the late 90's

>All I'm saying is that the game does a terrible job at making Master chief feel like a supersoldier.

Yeah, because you're a fucking idiot. If you can't tell you're a super soldier while being 2 feet taller than a normal marine, being in giant big ass super armor and all the NPC commentary then just kill yourself.

The ONLY thing you're complaining about is that the game is too hard because you're dying in 2 hits. Hence legendary is too much for a little shit like you.

Play on the canon difficulty, heroic.

>wahh I dont feel like a super soldier

Then play on fucking easy you brain dead retard if you want to role play. Of fucking course you're going to die fast in legendary. That's the god damn point.

OP don't even try to bring this up to Halo fans, seriously. I've tried it before and the point never gets across.

>Explicitly mention that GAMEPLAY-WISE the game doesn't makes master chief feel special
>Fans bring up LORE arguments to debate this
>"H-H-HOW CAN YOU SAY HE IS NOT A SUPERHUMAN HE LITERALLY SURVIVED AN ORBITAL DROP REEEEEE

OP Fuck you guys I was just asking a simple question and everyone had to go full asshole on me and not even consider wtf i said. Im done, gonna watch some bleach and snuggle.my waifu. Your all fags.

>master chief slaughters hoards of covenant by himself while boarded a covenant ship
>master chief obliterates the flood in the library like cheese
>somehow doesn't feel like a super soldier

What, because he can't fire electricity out of his finger tips he's not powerful? He's literally just an enhanced soldier.

>not being invested in Halo's story

I already beat the game you fucking retard.

>Being 2 foot taller

Its a fucking FPS game, how the fuck am I supposed to know that MC is 2 foot taller than the marines? You do fucking know that the POV from ANY first person game is NOT anatomically correct, right?

How fucking retarded can you guys be?

I already fucking said that the difficulty wasn't a problem.

Dying fast was literally the LAST of the points I mentioned, why are you faggots not bringing any of the other main points? You're making it sound as if this was a "wah wah this game was too hard!" when it's more like "gameplay was bland as all fuck"

Ahh you sound really tired, do you need a nappy Mr.Cranky?

>Carlos duty takes out over 1000 ahmeds single handedly so I guess that makes him superhuman too.

It's a video game.

Of course they're not gonna fucking say "Wow master chief, you're way over your head here, better stand by and wait for backup"-"you're right sir, I'll wait here, I can't actually take these guys on my own, it would be foolish to advance without support"

Mjolnir armor is not impenetrable. Far from it.

In any case there will never be a Halo gameplay accurate to the lore, just like call of duty will never be accurate to real modern combat.

>cant tell

Yes you fucking can. You're just a braindead retard.

You get an overshield, an AI, and your own superior skills. Notice the marines don't punch elites in the face. I don't know what the hell you expect.
>the books
What about the books? They're irrelevant.
>other games
Also irrelevant. Compare yourself as the chief to everyone else in the game.

Halo is not a simulator. It's a schlocky action game, with a fun story, and well crafted combat.

Just compare the game play of any other Halo title to ODST. Spartans are super powered but the Covenant is even more so.

Heh yeah I see now, he's a hulking brute :,)

what is wrong with you people you just answered your own fucking question. he survives orbital drops, fights evil alien empires and powers thru the entire fucking series

theres a difference between gameplay and actual fucking lore. he was never meant to be fucking invinsible.

>It's a fucking FPS game, how the fuck am I supposed to know that the MC is 2 foot taller than the marines
When they're standing up and you're looking straight ahead, they're cuddling your bone real nice and tight

The positioning of the camera is literally all you need in a first person game to determine your relative height to another human being.

how does a fucking mute become a accomplished scientist let alone lead a resistance?

>Literally the same height

Could Jorge beat Master Chief in a match of Turkish oil wrestling?

The Spartan Program was created to stomp out succsessionist, not fight the Covenant

When fighting Humans they are beast, but when it comes to elites Spartans are on equal footing

>but when it comes to elites Spartans are on equal footing

not even, for the most part.

Halo CE Mark v armor is my favorite sci fi armor

>confuses lore with gameplay

Without shields on either, Spartan 2's and standard Covenant Elites are pretty equally matched

With shields, the covenant had an advantage. Humans probably got better technology as the series advanced but I don't really know.

>missing the point this hard.


I'm now convinced you're trolling me.
I literally said about 20 times the problem is the discrepancy between lore and gameplay.

The lore says he can survive an orbital drop, the game has him dying if he jumps out of a second floor.

Literally not the same height. I was playing co-op with my friend the other day and I thought to myself how tall chief was compared to some marines

Let me repeat how this entire argument went

>Haha you're a retard how could you not realize you're a super soldier in game if MC is 2 feet taller than all the marines!
>MC is literally the same height as all the marines in game
>"Ehhh w-w-we're talking about l-l-ore obviously!"

YOU die NOT chief dingus
Stories in games play out as if you never die

And gameplay comes before lore

I'm assuming you're OP, you said yourself "game is fun"

>It played very much like a standard FPS
It's more like Halo BECAME the standard for console FPS. It's the Goldeneye of the 6th gen.

>Im done, gonna watch some bleach and snuggle.my waifu

You also have shit taste in anime.

Halo has always been awful. Back when CE came out, PC gamers used to take a shit on it, it was "My first consolized FPS".
Nu-Sup Forums praise it because the board has become younger and nostalgia kicks in, don't get fooled.

you're basically right, the armor gets more advanced as time passes. By five the armor is pretty dank in power compared to mkii

in 3 you don't take fall damage if you're saying that's a problem, and if I remember correctly if you crouch in one or reach before you hit the ground it softens your landing, same if you ground pound in 5

They aren't the same height. Chief is taller.

Before you sperg, I'm not either of the guys you responded to.

Actualy in game he is SLIGHTLY taller than the marines. Of course we're talking about CE, not anniversary or subsequent games. But in CE his player model was only slightly taller.
Also whoever said you can determine your character's height on an FPS by looking at NPCs around you is actually retarded. 99% of FPS use same heights for models of the same species because it's a pain in the ass to create models with varying heights

dude have you ever played the game? go up and stand next to a marine, you tower over them

Jesus I feel bad for you Halo fans when nobody can defend your beloved franchise against his simplistic but apt points. It's true if you think about it, he doesn't seem very out of the ordinary.

he IS a super soldier. OP questions that fucking fact becuase its HARD

More than slightly. I don't know if you mean 1st person viewmodel or 3rd person model.

But in 3rd person chief is MUCH taller.

who are you

It depends who we are talking about

Chief is nowhere near the best spartan, he is just "lucky" (see: plot armor). So he could take down 1 or 2 elites in the open before getting gunned down

Red Team in Halo Wars managed to hold a bridge from dozens of elites, but they were all using ceremonial melee weapons while the Spartans were armed

343i are fucking hacks who grabbed writers straight from fanfiction.net and have each Spartan 4 kill 1000s of elites while sliding down a mountain

well yeah its a video game, They wanted to make it fun before making it accurate to the lore

In The Witcher books Geralt dies when hes stabbed by a pitchfork but he can tank how every many monster scratches, fire blast, and sword swings as possible

In Skyrim you can be a Dragonborn as an Argonian even though only Nords can shout

Don't even get me started on how fucking borked Mass Effects weapony is with their fucking thermal clips

How can somebody miss the point so much, seriously?

Yeah, gameplay has to come before lore, but gameplay is still literally bland. There are no special abilities in the game that would make master chief behave like the super soldier he actually is. And no damage resistance doesn't fucking counts.

That's not me.

the Master Chief is actually pretty low tier in terms of sci-fi protagonists

in the Haloverse he's like the second coming but would probably be canon fodder in say Metroid

" Why doesn't this late-90's developed console FPS make me feel like a crazy powerful supersoldier "

Tech limitations. Halo basically layed the groundworks for FPS on consoles, that may be why it feels "generic" or boring or whatever.

Besides, I'd say it does make you feel like a super soldier, especially on legendary and heroic where Marines get slaughtered but you can power through and mow down hordes of aliens and zombies

>hmm lemme play this game and crank up the difficulty to the MAX

>wha wha what the fuck, i keep dying I FEEL LIKE A SCRUB

>the lore sais this faggot is supposed to be SUPERSOLDIER

>sure doesnt feel like it ooooohhhhhhhhh

You're supposed to play on Heroic. Legendary is just for extra challenge, but the devs went on record multiple times that Heroic is the "lore level" difficulty setting.

Legendary is just bullshit for bullshit's sake, you're purposefully gimped there.

He doesnt bring up any good points at all its just shameless retardation. I feel bad just thinking about his argument and what i want to say to him about it. It would be verbally bashing an actual retard, I just cant. better to let him flail around until he gets tired and leaves.

Tell me what special abilities you would like to be added that improve the gameplay and fit with the lore, and also be feasible for a console FPS game of that era

I can't think of anything really

An user already posted a pic of MC right next to Keyes. Keyes height is listed at 1.92m while MC height in armor is listed as 2.18m and yet in the comparison chief is only a few centimeters taller than keyes. The in-game models are obviously not lore-accurate

sprint

>There are no special abilities in the game that would make master chief behave like the super soldier he actually is
The man can flip vehicles with no effort

how come i dont feel like a bounty hunter while playing metroid?

isnt she supposed to be like a bounty hunter or something? im just walking around shooting random weird aliens.

what gives?

Sprint, really. or at least a faster movement speed

Simple mobility options

Keyes is literally standing closer to the camera in that scene. It pans sideways a bit and you can see it more "3D-y"

Look up any YouTube Co-Op gameplay of the 1st mission and you should be able to see Chief standing next to Keyes and Marines. I'm going to bed though because it's 2am.

>he is just "lucky"
this is actual canon 117 is LITERALLY (adverb, in a literal manner or sense; exactly.) lucky as fuck
this is how he survives what so many others didn't, fate/chance just aligns itself around for him to succeed
other than his ludicrous luck, above average intellect and small talent for command he is considered average among spartans

>Sprint
Fucking no, I agree that characters should move faster but jesus christ PLEASE just no more sprint in Halo

It has effectively ruined MP for me because of how retarded the maps are

I literally told you not to mention this in the OP.

He can flip vehicles because for the convenience of gameplay, so that if your warthog rolls over, you're not forced to walk for the rest of the massive level.

CJ from san andreas can literally push a train out of its tracks if he runs against it so I guess that makes CJ stronger than MC.

That's sarcasm btw, of course CJ isn't stronger than MC, but for gameplay convenience purposes he is able to move vehicles, just like how MC can flip them. That has never made anyone feel "super"

But how does that improve the gameplay?

Halo had a good formula, it didn't get so popular for nothing. People were legitimately upset when sprint was added in 2011 and it's still a big debate topic to this day.

and now, she's like... fighting super mario?... in some game called smash?

did somebody put a fuckin bounty on his head?

im just so confused

Then who the hell are the cream-of-the-crop Spartans?

Well yeah, she doesn't act like a bounty hunter in most metroid games.

OK so let's leave it at faster movement speed

You recognize the gameplay and lore are seperate yet you complain that Chief doesn't feel like a super soldier as he's described in the lore?