>Same Metascore as Sticker Star
>Sales are being reported at under 500k
What went so fucking wrong?
This is also the last big Wii U exclusive. Like, the console's done now, barring Zelda, which is gonna be another Twilight Princess situation.
I feel this game alone basically epitomizes the entire console. Going out with a whimper.
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it's an already niche game on a console with a tiny userbase. they can't squeeze any more sales out of that shit so they're just letting it die
Niggers cancelled a pushmo sequel in on wiiu and will not be no switch
Fuck IS
Sticker Star sold 2.5 million.
Super Paper Mario sold close to 4 million
No other game in the franchise before this sold under a million.
You can't fucking say it's just niche.
Sticker Star turned everybody off from PM games. That's why they made the crossover with the ML games and from now on the ML games will be the only Mario RPGs.
you're forgetting the raving rabbids rpg
Everyone learned their lesson after Sticker Star was a shitfest and didn't buy Color Splash.
Everyone learned except IS apparently because they made Sticker Star 2 and expected it to not bomb horribly, the retards.
not mario
yeah it is
Raving Rabbids is Rayman user
The gameplay is a fucking chore. Played it at my sister's. Some levels seem pretty fun but again the gameplay is horrible.
Hello, pls collect battle cards, hello pls rub them off before throwing them at your enemies! Wots dat, ur out of cards? fak u.
>which is gonna be another Twilight Princess situation
the Wii U version will be the better one?
but mario is in it
>LET'S MAKE A SEQUEL TO THIS POLARIZING $30 PORTABLE ENTRY WE JUST FINISHED/DIDN'T BOTHER TO CHECK FAN RECEPTION FOR ON THE DYING CONSOLE WITH AWFUL MARKETING AND PRICE IT AT $60
>NOW LET'S TELL EVERYONE THAT IF THEY WANT A MARIO RPG SERIES, ONE EXISTS ON HANDHELDS AND TWO IS TOO MANY SO THIS ONE WILL NOW FOCUS ON CRAFT GIMMICKS THAT WERE MORE OF A STYLISTIC CHOICE IN PREVIOUS ENTRIES
Fucking mental.
The more I hear about Tanabe the more I'm amazed any games with him involved did well.
According to VGCHARTZ it's sales massively jumped. It sold 100k in a single week its 5th week.
I think the good word of mouth is spreading since its a very great game.
>Chibi Robo bombed
>Federation Force bombed
>Color Splash bombed
they don't anymore
>the varied characters in Paper Mario 64 and Thousand-Year Door were neat, but they didn't fit what we ultimately wanted to go for
>so we replaced them all with Toad
>WE WON'T MAKE ANY MORE CHIBI ROBO GAMES IF YOU DON'T BUY THIS 2D SIDESCROLLER THAT PLAYS NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL
Its sales jumped around the time of Black Friday, as you would probably expect.
Right now, it would need to sell more than double its current units to even equal out the second lowest selling game in the franchise.
Chibi-Rob Zip Lash did just as well as the other games. Hell the product placement, lower budget and amiibo probably made it a bigger success than the 3D ones.
They learned almost nothing from Sticker Star.
>We never thought about removing combat altogether. This is because we decided that the element of battling with enemies that block Mario as he proceeds through his puzzle-solving adventure was also necessary. However, we decided to handle combat merely as a hurdle that must be cleared to beat the game, rather than making it the central element of the game.
From the mouth of Tanabe. Combat is just supposed to be an "obstacle". Yet the entire gimmick is based around combat, with Sticker Star even being named after it.
>only use characters from the Super Mario world
>duhh okay Toads
>not even Toads with unique caps, just Toads with hats on their caps
he's right though
Why don't they just make it like Zelda 2?
I that's more of an efficiency choice. Have you seen how many individual frames of animations Toads have in Color Splash? The Pirate Toad with the cutlass has more unique frames than all of the partners in 64 or TTYD put together.
>Have you seen how many individual frames of animations Toads have in Color Splash?
Two.
He's right in the sense that that is the way combat is designed- to be a waste of time.
Yet Sticker Star and Color Splash both have intricate combat systems, to the point of where they needed to put in a "basic", and "advanced" mode in Color Splash.
>On how it seems like there are a lot of steps to painting a card during combat…
>We prepared other advanced controls and button controls for the combat UI. If you use the advanced controls, after you are done painting a card you can flick the card without pressing the button. Actually, at first we were developing a UI very similar to the advanced controls. However, as a result of monitoring the staff themselves, we realized that control mistakes were made frequently playing using the controls without fully understanding the controls. Considering Nintendo’s user base, we need to anticipate that children around the ages of 7-10 will be playing as well, so it is reasonable to think that they might play without being able to thoroughly understand the controls. So we decided to make the UI such that you have to carefully check each individual step to proceed for the basic controls even if that was frustrating. Then, we thought that once users understood the control steps, they could transition to the advanced controls.
>niche series on a niche platformer sells poorly
Oh no.
I think he's referring to all the different poses and shit.
Though I'd take the unique designs over that shit.
It's not a niche series.
Paper Mario games typically sell millions of units. Don't lie.
The Pirate Captain isn't the majority of the Toads.
The majority of the Toads don't even fucking do much besides do their recycled walks and blink.
>It's not a niche series
Compared to other Mario spin-off's it's niche.
jesus christ nintendo just release another thousand year door
it doesn't even need to have any soul put into it you'll literally print money if you do this
>Have you seen how many individual frames of animations Toads have in Color Splash?
not a whole lot unless they have something on their head like a key
That's not an argument.
This one game has sold less than half of what the previous worse selling in the franchise did. You can't say it's just cause it's niche.
>The majority of the Toads don't even fucking do much besides do their recycled walks and blink.
Maybe in PM64 and TTYD. Here's the animations for just the standard Toad.
>That's not an argument.
How is that not an argument?
Compared to the Mario series and its many series PM is a niche spin-off.
I'll take unique Toads over a more 'fluid' paper Toad, which completely goes against the choppy movement style they've been going with since Sticker Star.
Sticker Star was one of the better selling 3DS games, faggots who only buy Nintendo games are the reason this game got made
That's retarded, that's like saying there's not excuse for Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze selling less than half of the other Donkey Kong Country games.
Read the second line of my post, and you'd know. Jesus.
It sold half as many units as the previously worst selling game in the franchise.
The best selling pulled 4 million. This didn't even do 500k.
But you can't see the discrepancy there?
>Wii U game doesn't sell well
COLOR me surprised
I bought it but never finished it.
The art is pretty good and the game is beautiful to look at. They nailed the paper aesthetics 100% in this one. There are lots of different locations as well.
The gameplay was fine for a couple of hours, but the combat system doesn't evolve at all. There is no real character progression or anything, so the fighting becomes pretty repetitive and boring because you always do the same thing in battles, that you can already do at the start of the game.
If they invested more in the fighting system, it would have been a good game, but since the fighting becomes really boring a couple of hours in, I just stopped playing at some point in the game where you have to repair a train.
>faggots who only buy Nintendo games are the reason this game got made
Citation?
>worst selling platform sells worse selling game of series
Right.
>discrepancy
You're making a scenario that makes sense in your head and looking for what little evidence you can to support it.
You realise this game is still selling? Super Paper Mario didn't sell 4 million in two months you know? Color Splash will be the worst selling but at the rate it is selling chances are it is over 500k at this moment.
Neo-Nintendo is out of touch with the fans?!?!? wtf?????
it doesn't help that for a couple months now there's been a way to pirate literally anything you want as long as it's on the eShop, and the method is so foolproof you don't even need to load CFW before starting a game unless it's a Virtual Console game or has DLC
>Neo-Nintendo
Well meme'd.
>Sticker Star breaks 2 million despite being a shitty game, it still sold more than most of 3DS's library because it's a Nintendo game
en.wikipedia.org
It was a holiday release and the only major game Nintendo had for the system.
You're telling something didn't go wrong here?
If it can't fucking pull another 500k out of thin air, then they still screwed up.
#Triggered
Ok then m8, how are we supposed to differentiate between the modern nintendo and nintendo without hurting your feelings?
You haven't proved the people who "who only buy Nintendo games" are responsible.
Yes, a large install base buys a lot of games.
What's your point?
Its not as big of a difference as you're making it out
The CS one has every frame, while the PM1 is clearly missing the frames for each emote.
I definitely dont recall the scared toads just standing on one leg with a frozen expression in PM1.
>no one wants another TTYD
>lets do sticker star again!
>#Triggered
Not an argument.
>how are we supposed to
Not my job. If you can't logically make a reasonable argument it is just a meme.
tanabe has a perfect record before sticker star and he hasn't fucked up DK (yet). He can still redeem metroid since FF is just some spin off.
PM is fucked tho
If your game franchise sees a radical drop in sales, you screwed up somewhere.
>Its not as big of a difference as you're making it out
How so? He provided graphical evidence that suggests a MASSIVE difference.
>I definitely dont recall
Your bad memory isn't evidence.
I hate that Nintendo made Color Splash but I can't really blame them for doing so given that Sticker Star sold really well and got great review scores from critics.
Nintendo once again refused to listen to their fanbase (which is more and more getting sick of their incompetence) and instead decided to do something new and gimmicky once again that nobody asked for
Right and by taking into account the size of the Wii U install base we can see where the problem is.
>and got great review scores from critics
It was the lowest reviewed game in the series.
75 on Metacritic. Color Splash has the exact same score.
>which is more and more getting sick of their incompetence
t. NeoGAF
considering its the only mario game that didn't sell well on the console yeah
Wii U games have sold millions, and this is a fucking Mario release. The biggest release Nintendo had for Christmas, and the only thing outside of a censored idol game.
It's not just the install base. This game wasn't exactly highly praised.
SS sold because of its reputation, which it killed later so CS sold less
same thing happened with FFXIII and DMC2, they sold a lot due to reputation but caused their follow up (FFXV and DMC3) to sell less despite being better
Neo-Nintendo is a meme.
Aight, i guess the same company that made pm64 and ttyd is the same who made sticker star and color splash.
Same with majoras mask and skyward sword. Or super metroid and other m.
or f zero gx and...
or star fox 64 and star fox zero.
or nothing, because nothing came out for the wii u this year.
I cant understand how people can still defend neo-nintendo. Do they love getting fucked in the ass? Like, do you enjoy watching others play video games while you wait for the next first party nintendo ip to disappoint you?
Super Paper Mario - 3.71 on 101.18 Wiis (3.66% of Wii owners)
Paper Mario: Sticker Star - 2.3 on 61.37 3DSs (3.74% of 3DS owners)
Paper Mario: Colour Splash - 0.42 (3.08% of Wii U owners)
Seems it's the install base.
yeah the wii u was such a smashing success ;-)
got nintendrones can be as out of touch with reality as sjws.
they definitely are as paranoid and thin skinned as them. expecting a evil sony conspiracy behind every post.
yeah change "the patriarchy" with "sony nigger" and you got more or less the same
>Aight, i guess the same company that made pm64 and ttyd is the same who made sticker star and color splash.
You are aware different directors made TTYD and Sticker star right? Also that's Intelligent Systems...
i just realised it has been 12 years since the last actual paper mario game. But yeah, neo-nintendo is a meme.
>nintendrones
You stopped falseflagging in record time.
Why don't shitposters try anymore?
Damn.... so nintendo has no say in this... and damn those directors dont work at nintendo.
It doesn't matter m8, what matters are the games, which the wii u hasnt gotten any this year.
>I cant understand how people can still defend neo-nintendo.
people that still defend Nintendo are the kind of people that never did anything during their childhood except playing Nintendo games and at the same time are refusing to grow up now that they are older.
defending Nintendo and buying all their shit is the only way they have to reconnect with their childhood.
Nostalgia is the only thing that keeps them alive
That's silly your "recollection" isn't evidence, I'm sure most wouldn't recall the fact that only Peach and Mario have backsprites and everything else is always shown from the front.
They cut corners in all the games, people are just willing to sweep the ways PM64 and TTYD do it under the rug to support their preconceptions.
>Damn...
>so this..
>...is the power of shitposters...
Wow.
>It doesn't matter m8 :^)
Yeah, great shitposting.
Is there a particular reason your statistic don't include the first two games?
>people that still defend Nintendo are the kind of people that never did anything during their childhood except playing Nintendo games
>had a PS1 and PS2
>PS2 is my favourite console of all time
>only got into Nintendo during the DS
>T-they only played Nintendo as a kid
Fuck off retard.
You mean Crashmo.
not an argument
yeah same old shit like always
everybody that disagrees with you is a "flaseflagger"
I mean it is not like anybody could possible disagree with our lord and savior Nintendo for real.
I mean that would be impossible with them creating such great consoles like the wii u and such amazing games like eh ... wii music
Jesus grow up
Two old to be statistically relevant.
Trends in the X360/PS3 Gen are still relevant now compared to PS1 gen.
Neo-Nintendo
NeNi
>Two old to be statistically relevant.
Based on whose opinion?
Post them.
>not an argument
Oh the irony.
>what this should tell Nintendo
>people preferred Paper Mario how it was before
>what Nintendo will choose to believe
>people just don't like Paper Mario anymore, cancel the series
>new game in a popular series
>it's shit
>sells well because it's the new game in the series
>new game that's essentially the same but just done better
>sells worse
It's not rocket science
Thanks for posting NeoGA/v/.
Truly the best quality of posts.
>What went so fucking wrong?
Nothing. This game is gorgeous.
Yeah, it's a real cinematic experience.
>>people preferred Paper Mario how it was before
See It's consistent across install bases.
Don't worry.
Don't bother. Nobody ITT has played it anyway.
Yeah not to mention the 5th and 6th gen were the peak of JRPGs.
>Paper Mario was 1.37 million out of 33 million which is 4.15%.
>TTYD was 1.91 million out of 21.74 mllion: 8.78%
The N64 is in line with the newer ones, but PM:TTYD selling 1.91 million is as statistically relevant as the expectation at Square Enix for FFXV to sell 10 million.
This.
It's obvious they didn't want to make a RPG but still kept the combat style
>c-cinematic experience
Oh boy.
Post the stats for Paper Mario and TTYD you fucking mong.
Those are the games people like in the series.
>This game is gorgeous
No shit, but it plays like garbage.
Literally all style no substance.
Well that is what Nintendo is aiming to make nowadays. Look at Star Fox.
the thing is though, i grew up with nintendo as well, i remember my uncle bringing his NES with kirby and from then on i was a die hard fan. Nintendo was at least 15% of my life as a kid and early teens.
But, NeNi has nothing to do with the nintendo i grew up. So i simply can't understand why people still stick to said company. You don't understand, NeNi has NOTHING to do with nintendo. Nintendo games used to have depth, easy to play, hard to master, now there is nothing. They aim their games at people who have literally never played a single game in their life.