Why are Japanese games so much better than Western ones?

Why are Japanese games so much better than Western ones?
Not even talking about anime-esque bullshit or whatever. Even regular simple action games are always done better when it's a Japanese studio involved.
All Western shit feel like bloated and casualized interactive movies.

what's up with all the FROM shills lately ?
is there a new game to be announced soon and they need more attention to shift towards them ?

The souls games are literally the only example of good Japanese games.

Western games: here is the plot but LOOK HE IS GAY, SHE IS A STRONG IDEPENDANT UGLY WOMAN, NIGGERS ARE GOOD.

Japanese games dont do this bullshit.

I know it's b8 but I'll list some I like anyway

>FF
>MonHun
>Phantasy Star
>Dragons Dogma
>Resident Evil
>Metal Gear Solid
>Pokemon
>SMT
>Zelda
>Mario
>TLG
>Bravely Default
>Souls series
>Mega Man
>Smash
>Any fighting game worth getting into

With JP games, your character is usually just a guy/girl. When customizable they let you do what you want with race/size/hair whatever you want without making it seem like it NEEDS to look real.

It's a video game after all.

• DMC
• Bayonetta
• Metal Gear series
• old Silent Hill
• Nier
just off the top of my head

they have devs doing what they want, not doing what SJWs want like in the west

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because nips make games while western devs want to be seen as "artists"

Doesn't explain why western games can't be fun.

>FF
>SMT
>Metal Gear Solid
>Resident Evil

Every single one of these had garbage last entries to their games

In the west, if your game isn't retard-proof it means you're sexist and ableist and you'll have every suit from publishing breathing down your neck to dumb it down, tone it down and safe-space it.

>Nier

This game wasn't good though, literally plays like shit

>they have devs doing what they want

This is hilarious, alot of jap devs are forced to have some anime pandering garbage to their games or else the otaku won't buy them anymore

Those games are pretty unfun op

its because no one bothers spending the money to localize shovelware.

shhhh you're disrupting the paranoid "SJWs ARE EVERYWHERE THEY CONTROL EVERYTHING ALL BAD STEMS FROM THE MYSTIC SJWs" narrative

And out of those only DeS and BB are good. The DaS games are fucking garbage.

I know everyone will rag on western dev's being "cucks" but that's not why a lot of western games are shit. It's realism

similar to film, for some reason Western media thinks everything must be as real as possible to be enjoyed. When western dev's step away from this idea, some of those games are amazing. Games are meant to be fanciful escapes or twisted fantasies, when you limit games to reality you ultimate limit how imaginative you can be

>And out of those only DeS

Opinion discarded

Das1 is 10 times better than Des and BB is also good

Well, in terms of western games that is technically the case with bigger budget productions (in terms of their prevalence that is). Although, rather than it being a matter of "SJWs are in control of shit", it's more like they're used as an easy publicity tool. Hell, just look at how much attention it draws to games on Sup Forums.

Otaku pandering is the opposite end of the spectrum but it's still the same kind of shit conceptually.

Explain how Doom is realistic

Because you're not a normalfag OP. You have transcended the normalfag plane of existence and now you live with the superior beings known commonly among the lessers as "weebs". Congratulations!

Doom is a 20 year old IP. The issue is more regarding newer game ideas from western IPs. There's plenty of creative stuff up to early or mid gen 7. The issue is beyond that point; probably due to the fact that shit is just so much more expensive to produce now. So publishers prefer relying upon safer bets.

Japan have literally zero skills in making fps games

Japan's main platform is console, and they know fps controls like shit on console

Japan developers understand that gameplay is the core to making a good game. Even Kojima knew that. He wanted to make the most retarded convoluted story ever but he understood gameplay has to be good firstly.

Western developers however think story > gameplay. And because they are run by huge media companies who are only in it for the profits. So they want the "casual" audience.

It is that simple. Any western developers that hasn't sold out yet still makes solid games. Vice versa, there are japan companies that have sold out like capcom.

It just so happens that Japan has more of the former than the latter.

So what new games have japan made that are good? Since literally every jap game fags are looking forward to is a milked IP or another sequel.

Overwatch was a new IP and was praised

>Western games

Try to tick as many boxes as possible to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. Most people like the game but few people love it.

>Japanese games

Tend to be catered towards a more specific audience, meaning that sales might be lower but the people that buy the games all love them.

>Japan's main platform is console, and they know fps controls like shit on console

But every fps lately has been pandered to consoles though so this logic is retarded

Cringe.

>pandering

There's literally nothing wrong with pandering though. Battlefield has niggers because the people who play them are normalfags who want to be associated with the SJW movement.
Anime games have cute little girls to appeal to their demographic.

Jap development is still personality driven. You get this director and he's going to make his game and that art director is going to make the shit look like he wants it to which he knows will work. Western development, outside of music (I think) is just corporate-built focus tested designed lego shit.
The Jap way isn't by any means perfect, as it relies on the guys you have not fucking up, but it is at least capable of producing something that transcends product while the Western method can only do that or very rare occasions.

>Tend to be catered towards a more specific audience


You mean
>make a game for a specific audience
>sequel abandons those audience
>try to make another sequel but it's too late
>make a spin off game that nobody wants

Yes valkyria chronicles i'm looking at you

Seriously sega and capcom make the dumbest decisions in vidya

Too bad the west provide much better roguelikes, 4X, gsg, shooters, RTSs........MOBAS.

>There's literally nothing wrong with pandering though

Yes if the series originally had this

But when a series never use to have this type of shit and they they force it on newer games for no reason then there's a clear problem, it's the same shit when western devs put tranny shit in games for no reason

DaS1 has strictly worse gameplay than DeS and BB.

Sega and Capcom are going the way of the big companies in the West are. They need to give more creative control back to their directors instead of letting the suits make the decision.

They all control like shit too, what's your point?

des has
>worst levels overall
>worst bosses overall
>terrible unbalanced magic system
>world tendency is fucked up when online
>healing system is literal garbage and you can have dozens of types
>less armor upgrade options
>less attack styles/animations
>bosses have less movesets on average
>game frame rates are broken in explosions or dragons flying above you

kys

no western company has fucked up multiple times and handled several IP's terribly though

Booted up Bloodborne again last night after mucking around on ESO/WoW for months.

I know they're not really all that comparable, but I couldn't put my finger on why Bloodborne and the Souls series always got me so more immersed than many other games, despite my many playthroughs meaning I generally know what's around the next five corners and this image has finally given me a little bit of Insight as to why.

Thank you, user.

>no western company has fucked up multiple times and handled several IP's terribly though
>what is Bethesda

that your opinion is irrelevant , the fact they play more on consoles should be enough of a reason to make fps games there, especially on average they tend to have more active players, too bad they suck at making them in the first place

>who are EA

>Bethesda

Name 4 games they make that they have fucked up, as in different IP's and name examples of fla

flat out retarded decisions*

Voice acting in Fallout for the MC.

>EA
>Ubisoft
>Activision

You want me to name the games?
I am sure you can do that yourself. Just look at the pre-EA games by Studios and post-EA games. And the amount of buried studios.

Many people deciding to do something doesn't automatically make it a good idea, retard.

Fallout 4 is the eptiome of we want the casual audience

>Voice acting
>Limited roleplaying
>Meme decision making
>Casualized mechanics

A trick question since they only ever work on two IPs

Nigga are you retarded? All i'm saying the only reason japs don't make fps games is because they suck at making ones.

Your retarded reason of "hur dur because no pc" is not an excuse since western devs are more keen on consoles themselves

ea don't make good games in the first place

>They need to give more creative control back to their directors instead of letting the suits make the decision.

Sonic Mania is going to become one of the most beloved games in the franchise and it's being made by Western devs who understand Sonic's Genesis styled gameplay better then Sonic Team themselves at this point (not to knock the titles from them that are solid like Colors, Generations, hopefulyl Project 2017, etc).

Both the West and East have their good and bad.

>Any western developers that hasn't sold out yet
Are there any left?

EA bought studios that made good games and then made them make shit games.

Please stop.

CD Projekt Red

Indie developers. In fact I been having great fun with Shadow Tactics from steam sales and that is from a western developer. Even mid range studios like Larian can make good games. Anything that reeks of AAA is trash.

>But they're just pandering! meme
No one becomes a Japanese programmer and artist because they're desperate user, but keep being just as bad as a weeaboo.

Technically, Poland is near east

Nobody in their right mind would consider Poles Eastern

The best game of all time is western though

"Western" has two sub-categories: "western Western" and "Ruskie". CD Project is obviously in the Ruskie camp.
A lot of good games brought up to show how "no no, Western gaming isn't dead!" are actually made by a bunch of Poles, Czechs and Russians. Think Metro 2033.

But Europeans would

Nah man, is right Monster Hunter is basically Dark Souls but you craft weapons from the monsters you hunt and theres even less story.

Poles ARE Europeans user

What about Larian studios?
I think the distinction should be AAA and non-AAA.

I know, and historically, Poland, Turkey, Russia, and, especially during and after the cold war, the Balkans were considered "Near East" (Compare to Middle East and Far East)

DaS has
>Poise... The worst mechanic in the series by a massive margin. A mechanic that rewards poor play, reduces the valuation of spacing, and timing attack as well as punishing whiffs. A mechanic that makes most weapons in the game useless. A mechanic that actively rewards mashing unilaterally in every situation.
>The worst movesets in series history by a massive margin. Entire classes of weapons are utterly useless, whereas in DeS every weapon type had it least one good rep. The disparity in move quality between DeS and DaS Estoc, Greatsword, Gaxe, Uchi, Poles, etc is enters the realm of comedy. Especially against Estoc, the best weapon of the entire series, including BB.
>Weapons increase stun as you uograde them, meaning you can't effectively trial them unless you upgrade them to the max.
>Weapons that share a class can have different swing speeds in what was potentially the worst-concieved change between weapons, causing things like Claymore to have an infinite while Abyss Swords can't even two hit.
>Weapons like poles having a retarded gimp animation if you whiff, making them look both stupid and just be terrible weapons.
>Busted magic.
>Great Hollow, New Londo, Ash Lake, Caves, Valley, Demon Ruins, Izalith, Archive, etc. all worse than the worst part of Demon's Souls.
>Retarded uncessary armor upgrade system designed to turn the game into an endless skinnerbox.
>DWGR, Favor, TWoP.
>Don't forget the worst movesets and gameplay mechanic in history.

Kek

And we consider them east Europe.

Japanese games are more about finding a specific gameplay loop and exploiting it.
Western games are more about letting you express yourself.

There's little to no roleplaying whatsoever in Japanese games. There aren't many games comparable to an RTS or a city builder, or stuff like that. There's no STALKER and no Morrowind. There's no Spacechem either, since most puzzle games are about finding the one solution the game wants you to find. There's basically no modding.

Japanese games tend to be more aimed and polished in a specific direction, which makes it easier to recognize their craft. The qualities of western games are harder to describe, but it's the kind of stuff you miss once you play a lot of Japanese games.

soulsborne is about advancing through a world and dealing with obstacles thrown at you
monster hunter is about "boss fights"

What's wrong with Duke's Archives and New Londo?

Fit it in wherever you think is right.

Western games are good till they get too good and then the dev says they want the casual audience and then it goes to shit.

Larian makes AA games but they are still considered Indie.

I wish theyd remaster Demon Souls and Dark Souls 1 for PS4. Then release a steelbook collection of the GOTYs of each. Muh dick.

Sounds more like you're describing the difference between PC and console gaming.
PROTIP: "PC gaming" is non-existent in Japan.

MonHun is a boring mmo instance game

>Larian makes AA games
Then they're not "indie" then, are they?
"Indie" used to mean "self-distributing" and/or "self-financing". In the age of Steam and digital distribution, it now basically means "under 1million$ budget".

SMTIVA and RER2 are not garbage. MGSV had good gameplay mechanics despite the weak story.

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Duke is just a really sad reskin attempt Latria and New Londo is just an ugly, murky shithole with two enemies.

That you're able to point so much out must mean you've spent quite some time with this game.

>Voice acting
God damn this pissed me off so much in this game that you can only play as this shitfaced smug sarcastic asshole.
Every option comes out smarmy as fuck.
Zero roleplay value.

The second half of Dark Souls is unfinished and has the worst boss in the series.

They are self distributing. Hence why I consider them indie. Not sure why you are so hell bent on the Ruskie / West divide tho. It just so happens that games from EE don't have big publishers.

Not him but while I agree RER2 is good, RE6 is a very mixed experience all around for what it is. Still RE7 might be a change.

>Western games
>Letting you express yourself
Yes, I really feel that with the homogenized mass of shooters and "open world" games which are effectively just sandboxes to shoot or blow up ragdolls. Remarkable freedom of expression there.

Just Cause deserves some praise for the freedom to move around acrobatically with the grappling hook and do wacky shit like hijacking mid-air vehicles. But, the world itself isn't particularly engaging or deep and the only good parts of that game are how it mechanically functions.

Actually, that's probably the best way to describe it. Western games aren't about freedom of expression in a general sense, it's more like the game's controls are more tuned to allow you to fuck around. The issue is that most of those games lack much of worth to fuck around with considering the world design errs on the side of obsessively "realistic". Effectively, you're right that western games allow more freedom at face value, but they often come with the caveat of not really polishing or developing anything else which serves to diminish the novelty of that freedom.

>movesets in das
>bad

Demons souls had no variety in attack options with a weapon

>bitching about terrible weapons when des had less and most weapons not even being viable

>complaining about the balanced magic in das when des is completely broken and can one shot bosses with miracles like firestorm, even stupid miracles that can revive you

Besides tower of latria every single level in des was garbage and even ones that are a literal straight line to a boss

>world tendency randomly changing online

There's not even a single des level that gives you as much options and way to take to go to a boss or clear the level like depths in das 1

i wish theyd remaster Demon Souls with Blodborne engine

>PROTIP: "PC gaming" is non-existent in Japan.
So I would say that "console gaming" describes Japan pretty well, and since only the west mingles with PC gaming that's another good descriptor.

I'm the guy that literally wrote the book on DeS and discovered most early DkS1 tech, including publishing the poise bps and how it worked originally.

New fromfostware game fucking when? I can't wait.

>Duke is just a really sad reskin attempt Latria

They're nothing alike so your argument is retarded

>demon souls 6th arhstone literally removed from the game and they never put it back as dlc

>des final boss in the game is a literal slug that does nothing

Only demon ruins was unfinished you shitter

i hope it's another Japan Studio collaboration, they are the reason why BB is so good

That's kinda neat. Link?

Seems pretty autistic to me though to learn so much about something you don't seem to enjoy.