Played MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 in 2011

>played MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 in 2011
>put off playing this game for YEARS
>finally decided this christmas to sit down and play through it
>get cancer in the process

What the fuck was this shit. I dont even know where to start.

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Yeah yeah it's shit everyone knows it
Kojima didn't want to make it so he made it as big a middle finger to everyone who wanted it made as possible
At least PW and V were kind of fun to play through (though they probably would've been much better appreciated if they weren't Metal Gear), this one was just a fucking mess in every aspect

Only mgs 1, 2, and 4 are truly worth playing. Portable ops is fun too but not really necessary to play.

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Sounds like you got shit taste.
In general, the bitching about MGS4 got old already in 08, and was not justified.

>At least PW and V were kind of fun to play through (though they probably would've been much better appreciated if they weren't Metal Gear),
Fuck no. PW especially is superb MGS game, and also way better "MGS5", which it was originally meant to be.

MGS4 still has the best gameplay, good graphics, and is a decent wrap-up for the whole saga.

>says others have shit taste
>says MGS4 is good

V's even worse.

>this one was just a fucking mess in every aspect

I found the fixes it made to 2 to be good

OFFICIAL GOOD TIER OF MGS GAMES
GODTIER:
MGO2
OK TIER:
All except MGSV and piss walker

What? That's literally the thing I disliked most. It explained away all the supernatural stuff in the previous 3 games as being merely NANOMACHINES SON and Ocelot wasn't actually possessed.

>It explained away all the supernatural stuff in the previous 3 games as being merely NANOMACHINES SON
no, that was just Vamp.

>and Ocelot wasn't actually possessed.
an in-game database said he was possessed, replaced Liquid's arm and then pretended to be possessed to fool the Patriot AI Network.

Plus 4 gave a proper explanation of what the fuck was going on at the end of 2 & made Raiden not shit

You could take out full hours of this game and it would be a significant improvement. Leave out the after credit scene too, that was worthless.

wait, what???
you meant 1, 2 and 3 right?

to be fair 1, 3, and 4 are the only ones worth playing since 4 throws everything 2 did out the window.

Id love to make a cut of 4

>Cut out all of the Johnny parts, leave just enough so there can be the wedding. Also cut out most of the wedding, leave just enough to allow for the Drebin/Otacon/Sunny part at the end
>cut out all of Drebin parts except for his introduction the after-boss stories, but also make them optional, like "Hey Snake, chat to me on the Codec if you want to hear about them"
>cut out Act 5 entirely, including Screaming Mantis, its fucking trash
>put the fist-fight between Snake and Liquid on top of Liquids ship at the end of Act 4 in Shadow Moses
>game ends after Otacon tells Sunny that Snake had a hard life, and Snake is after killing himself

Ive just made this 4/10 game into a 7/10 or 8/10 game.

no, 3 was terrible in my opinion

fun as an anime spinoff movie

horrible as a game

Also skip all mission briefings except for the one before Shadow Moses. Have them be optional and in the menu.

...

The problem is that the cutscenes draged on forever, when they didn't need to do it.
The Mission Briefings in particular are some of the most boring stuff i've ever experienced in a videogame, or most of the cutscenes in the first two chapters in general.
You can feel that absolutely no one wanted to make this game.

That was the point.......

It's just video games

>plebeian
>MGS1

>patrician
>MGS3

>when MGS1 is along with MGS2 in the fucking Smithsonian museum and MGS3 was left out

>liking V is contrarian

haha fuck off

>ground zeros in patrician taste

I agree user ground zeros was amazing.

Then we should just throw 4, since 2 is a much better game.

Careful you'll trigger the Kojima drones who think every single thing he shits out is solid gold

MGS4 is honestly the world big budget video game ver made in the fucking history of video games

>GZ
>patrician
>no bosses
>no cardboard box
>no knocking
>no different outfits
>no fun weapons
>no codec
>no weapon variety
>no enemy variety
>no camo index
>no attention to detail at all
>no TECHNOLOGY
>health regeneration
>30 minutes long
>story can be recapped in one sentence
>almost no tapes
>Skullface is a fedora tipping edgelord
>level design kills any kind of variety in gameplay, you either save Chico first or Paz first
>having to carry each prisoner individually to the LZ because no fulton
>braindead AI
>ammo everywhere
>blind enemies because ''lol it's night''

No, you'll trigger the Zelda cycle memers who started defending MGS4 after MGSV came out.
Almost the entire fanbase, up until MGSV came out, agreed MGS4 was a fucking turd and that the only good thing it came from it was MGO2, but that's irrelevant since the servers were shut down.

it was fun

every MGS has blind enemies

I love it whenever someone comes up with a list of objective criticisms about a game and they get hit with the old "it's fun"

Fucking lobotomise yourself you waste of fucking space

>it was fun
No, it wasn't.
It was a tech demo for TPP, and suffers from the exact same issues, but with no Motherbase mechanics.
Both are fucking awful.

except 4 expands on what 2 introduced (Patriots & Raiden)

And completely destroys them with stupid explanations and making Raiden a completely different character.
That's the problem with 2.
The mere act of expanding it at all ruins it because it wasn't supposed to have any sequels.

except it fucking doesn't

literally the first thing that happens when the patriots get mentioned is that they retcon literally fucking everything you were told about them in 2
it also ruins the entire fucking point of raiden's character all so he can become LE EBIN ROBOT NINJA DUDE XD XD

it's a fucking atrocious game

sorry I'm wrong here

it's not a game at all, it's a fucking joke of an interactive movie that would have been mocked and ridiculed were it not released in a market filled with the biggest fucking load of retards in any entertainment industry

4 was not bad but i liked 5 better desu.

it's too bad 4 has like 11 hours of cutscenes, but chapter 1 and 2 were good. in mgsv they should have axed chapter 2 entirely. it was unfinished but still somehow managed to be the longest game by far.

Snake had a hard life.
Haven Troopers were hot.

>And completely destroys them with stupid explanations

better than what 2 did with explaining

>and making Raiden a completely different character.
and yet better and more received by the fanbase. Hell, a game starring ninja Raiden was made.

>literally the first thing that happens when the patriots get mentioned is that they retcon literally fucking everything you were told about them in 2
to be fair the only trustworthy source in 2 says that it's an AI that manipulates things.

I like it. It's so bizarre at points that it is quite jarring. Running around listening to a podcast within the game about the game you're playing is something so weirdly meta only Kojima would do.

I also think that 4 and V compliment each other by being complete opposites. 4 is story heavy and extremely linear. V is light on cutscenes but is completely open gameplay wise. If you aren't happy with one, the other will fill the gap.

Both of the msx ones should each move left one category for this list to be accurate.

>better than what 2 did with explaining
Because it wasn't supposed to be explained.
The story wasn't supposed to be taken at face value.

>and yet better and more received by the fanbase
>ad populum
No.

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>Try this one neat trick to cure cancer that doctors don't want you to know about

*To the right

if you aren't happy with one then that indicates you have a slight bit of taste, which means that you should also not be happy with the other

they're both examples of how not to make a game

>The story wasn't supposed to be taken at face value.

and yet the fanabse on Sup Forums says that the story of MGS2 is the greatest of all time.

>No.
Raiden was made better, get over it kiddo.

>more received by the fanbase
that's part of the problem you dumb fucking shit
>to be fair the only trustworthy source in 2 says that it's an AI that manipulates things.
except what I'm talking about doesn't come from the AI

literally end your life. I genuinely fucking mean it

are you actually fucking unable to understand what face value means?

jesus fucking christ

>and yet the fanabse on Sup Forums says that the story of MGS2 is the greatest of all time.
Precisely because you need to look between lines to understand what MGS2 is about.
The story doesn't want to tell you a story about Raiden and Solid Snake, it's all about the messages.
The last thing people want in MGS is a Call of Duty-tier story that you'll forget about after a week.

>Raiden was made better
How, exactly?

you forgot one

>that's part of the problem you dumb fucking shit

pleasing the fans by fixing a shit character that was hated is a problem?

> it's all about the messages.
that were botched on delivery for MGS2. They tried to deliver the message AFTER everything went stupid and nothing was making any sense (inb4 "it was on purpose")

>How, exactly?
by not making him a whiny pretty boy that he was in MGS2.

I find it funny how one picture and one mention of mgs4 triggers Sup Forums to no end

>They tried to deliver the message AFTER everything went stupid
What?

holy fuck you actually have no fucking clue what 2 was about do you
>that were botched on delivery for MGS2
the delivery was the ONLY notable thing about 2's story. It was high school tier philosophy at best but put out in a very, very interesting way, a way that was obviously too smart for someone as fucking stupid as you to understand

imo desu

mgs1 > mgs3 > mgs5 = mgs4 > mgs2 = ghost babel > mg > mg2

End your pathetic excuse for a life you piece of fucking shit

its funny cause it works

The game went stupid when Arsenal Gear happened and then it tried to deliver a serious message after the game went past the "writers no longer cared" point of the game (aka Arsenal Gear)

>but put out in a very, very interesting way
being delivered by an AI that went bonkers? No thanks.

>The game went stupid when Arsenal Gear happened and then it tried to deliver a serious message after the game went past the "writers no longer cared" point of the game (aka Arsenal Gear)

And these are the people Kojima was thinking about when he was shitting out MGS4's story in his toilet.

jesus christ

people have pointed out multiple times that the story isn't one that should be taken at face value, and here you are STILL taking it at face value

>and here you are STILL taking it at face value

because the fanbase does the sane damn thing

old people
>often confused
>don't always make sense in what they do or say
>don't always remember the past correctly
>suffer from lack of bodily control
>end up feeling angry and frustrated

mgs4
>confusing
>doesn't always make sense
>retcons previous installments at will
>takes control of gameplay away from the player
>player ends up angry and frustrated

If the only reason you don't like it is because the story was silly, you don't deserve to play a postmodern masterpiece like MGS4. MGS4 is the most narratively experimental and truly breaks the barrier between player and protagonist, better than any other game ever has. You ARE Old Snake.

Not just the greatest MGS, but one of the greatest games of all time, not just for being so incredibly misunderstood.

and millions of people listen to Hallelujah thinking it's a nice religious song
that doesn't make it correct

It's not?

no, it's the complete opposite

half that stuff isn't even true, like there certainly is a camo index and shit

On top of it all the controls and shootan is top notch

>awful
TPP was GOTY 2015 lol

I managed to sat through 1-3 plot without problems but one hour in 4 I started skipping all and any cutscenes.

it was an MGS game

thus, it was shit

2015 stands out for being a year with no decent games, though.

too bad half the game sucks

fuck you the last few years have been great

oh yeah the controls who could forget how a good control scheme is all it takes to make a good game

Not at all.
2016 is literally Oh right, that game came out: The year.

>like there certainly is a camo index
0% out.
50% in grass.
Add 25% of it's at night.

>On top of it all the controls and shootan is top notch
Then how come you aren't praising TPP too?

it certainly helps

>DOOM
>HITMAN
>FORZA
>UC4
>GoW4
>XCOM2
>Stardew Valley
>Titanfall 2

the list goes on...

>>UC4
>>GoW4
>>Stardew Valley
>>Titanfall 2

TPP's amazing as well

>le edgy contrarian meme

still better than the 04-13 era

>DOOM
Decent, but it didn't give me enough reasons to even replay it once.

>HITMAN
Bought it on sale a month ago and it's a legitimately boring game.

>Uncharted 4
Cinematic games are only good for the graphics.

>GoW4
Ah yes, the biggest example of what I said.
The embodiment of
>Oh yes, that game came out.

>XCOM 2
A complete downgrade from XCOM 1 and a shitty port.

>Forza
What about it.

>Titanfall 2
Yet another boring military shooter trying to be what it's not, and a game that simply has no lasting appeal.
Siege shits all over it.

oh and frog fractions 2

sounds like gaming is just not for you......?

>LE U R LE CONDRYAN XD XD

kys weeb fuck

Sounds like a lot of ''developers'' should be fired and blacklisted from this industry.

>contrarian
Ah yes, the buzzword that saves you from offering actual arguments when trying desperately to defend popular games.
Enjoying those MCU movies, your iPhone and circlejerking over Hillary Clinton on Twitter?

(((((((You)))))))

right, because the post I'm replying to put up such an incredible argument

MGS4's story is a lot better when you realize it's Kojima projecting his angst and self-loathing onto the plot of Metal Gear Solid and desperately begging his fans to move on, but the execution still sucks and it's not a fun video game to play.

Why would anyone think of a proper argument against someone who unironically considers spouting ''Y-YOU ARE A LE CONTRARIAN'' an actual defense?
Ad populum?
This is a +18 imageboard.

because I put up an argument of a list of games from 2016 that are considered great while you're trying to say that 2016 was not great? So I guess I won that debate!

No, it becomes understandably bad but the level of badness doesn't change

no it's not

>that are considered great
If they were great people wouldn't have forgotten they exist 24 hours after they came out.
Not even Sup Forums talks about those turds, aside from Titanfall 2, but that's just shilling.

okay

>it was SUPPOSED to be incompetent irredeemable shit

Bravo Kojima

Which completely shits all over what 2 actually was. I can't fucking believe I'm using this argument but fuck it sounds like you seriously just didn't get it.

MGS4 is seriously a passive-aggressive repudiation of most of the fanbase who were all too stupid to understand MGS2