What is gaming's Citizen Kane?

Honest question, no memes.

Pong

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Super Mario 64?
Ocarina of Time?

What about Grand Theft Auto IV?

It came out the same amount of years after the birth of the medium as Citizen Kane.

It needs to be a videogame that displayed the potential of videogames in technology as well as artistic theming. No Nintendo games fulfill this.
It has to be Metal Gear Solid

The original Star Fox

There are better examples than Metal Gear Solid with that criteria. Hell even other games of the PSX fit those criteria better like Oddworld.

Metal Gear has more cutscenes than gameplay. It's an interactive movie.

It has to be Grand Theft Auto IV

Command and Conquer.

Argonaut's Alien FPS

Bioshock Infinite

None of those games have the pageantry of MGS the same as many movies before Kane lacking the flashiness of its cinematography.
MGS is technically, thematically, and gameplay-wise impressive.

A game that completely revolutionized gaming and there's a clear difference between what games were like pre-game and post-game? It's... it's probably Half Life.
>Half Life 1 brings real story to an FPS
>Ties everything together
>mwah

Shadow of the Colossus.

>Controls were called shit for its time
>Every console FPS since then uses that same control setup

Yeah, I can agree with that

Define "Citizeen Kane".
Old piece of shit everyone knows the name of but no one has actually seen?

Now you're just looking like an idiot.

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Woops sorry
Half Life is a good pick even if its kinda ehhh

Ico or Another World fits the bill better

Well Citizen Kane was shit on when it was released and gained praise many years later for how ahead of it's time it was. Metal gear was praised on release so that automatically takes it out of the running for Citizen Kane of videogames

No, not in the slightest.

I feel like you're scrounging for an argument now. None of the games mentioned were hated on release.
If anything your point makes MGS2 the only possible pick. There's no other game rising from audience distaste like that.

>It needs to be a videogame that displayed the potential of videogames in technology as well as artistic theming.
Why? And what exactly does MGS do that displays video games in technology? Is it because you're told to press the 'X' button? Or plug in another controller to beat Psycho Mantis? If so thats some rather tame stuff. At least Mario 64 revolutionised 3D platforming.

Myst.

>made by someone very young
>acclaimed at the time of release, but its legacy far eclipses its contemporary critical praise
>recognized years later for techniques that pushed the medium forward

So, you need to find a game that meets those criteria.

Citizen kane was shit on because of its implied slander.

The Last of Us

Minecraft

>Why?
Do you not know anything about Citizen Kane?
If you're asking questions about MGS1 then you're implying you haven't even played it.
MGS2 fits these mostly I would say.

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Too modern, fool.

Half life 1

>There's no other game rising from audience distaste like that.
There's a couple of games from that era. Silent Hill 2 was shat on upon it's release date but later gained critical acclaim to an extent where practically every horror game has tried to steal its formula.

Ocarina of Time then
Or ICO

Not a terrible answer, desu, but I also feel like it's too young. Twenty years from now, this might be correct.
While Kojima was still relatively young at release, he had already been developing games for over a decade.

Also: Its story had messages that resonate years later, but I would argue that for a game to be the Citizen Kane of video games, it needs to have gameplay that pushed the medium forward.

>If you're asking questions about MGS1 then you're implying you haven't even played it.
In other words you can't even answer my question.

Metal Gear is dumb and stupid like you, fucking cucks

I guess technically any old game but not so old that it feels experimental.

SH2 was shat upon? That could work really well.
Double no.
In other words I was right and you haven't even played one of the most important vidya of all time, yet are still posting ITT.

Final Fantasy VII

Duke Nukem 3D

That would be more like the citizen cane reboot that is destined to happen

Citizen Kane wasn't just some really good technological movie, you idiot. It was a movie which fundamentally redesigned how movies worked. The techniques and methods it used are still in use today.

It pioneered the idea of flashbacks, revolutionized focusing techniques, introduced multiple radical new way to change how characters looked through make-up, and used montages in ways that had never really been used before.

There are no video games which have revolutionized video games to this degree other than, perhaps, Super Mario Bros., which was a masterpiece of level design, basically created the sidescroller genre which spawned thousands of copies, and single-handedly saved the home console industry after the crash.

No other game in history has had that sort of impact on the industry.

I don't see how the stealth action of Metal Gear isn't moving the medium forward, along with its comparatively serious themes.

Give me a reason why it's NOT GTA IV.

Seriously. It's the highest rated game on metacritic, came out the same amount of years after the birth of the medium as Citizen Kane, has similar themes to Citizen Kane, revolutionized the medium (physics, life sim integration with open world, open world detail, cover system) with everything later influenced and aping it since (open world meme)

Ocarina of Time
Just like Citizen Cane, people have called it the greatest game ever so many times that its just accepted as conventional knowledge at this point.

It offers nothing other than being a tech show case. It's shallow.

>physics

>physics, life sim integration with open world, open world detail, cover system
GTA IV didn't revolutionize any of that you underaged faggot

>physics, life sim integration with open world, open world detail, cover system
All of this had been done long before GTAIV came out, and often better. GTAIV didn't revolutionize anything.

You'd have been way more on the money with Shenmue.

>Ocarina of Time
>Franchise sequel

There is no Citizen Kane franchise. You don't see critics hailing the Thin Man movies as the greatest of all time, so why should Ocarina of Time be? It's literally "just another zelda game"

I get it

Half Life as a franchise is the only thing vaguely comparable. Particularly 1 and 2. I can't think of any single game that sustains the comparison.

Doom

>It's shallow.
And so is Ocarina of Time. You're honestly going to tell me the combat in ocarina is the most compelling out of literally any game? Ocarina of Time has the best puzzles?

I remember playing this on my grandpas mac

Planescape Torment, honestly.

A deep and engrossing game that, while the epitome of its genre and still influences works today, doesn't really hold up to today's standards or audiences.

Why should it matter that its a sequel?

>doesn't really hold up to today's standards or audiences.

In response to anyone saying Metal Gear - that series is fantastic gameplay and thematic ideas but the ideas are absolutely butchered by awful dialogue and convoluted writing. It is not a well told story in any sense and it should not be championed as much as it is

I know, right? Citizen Kane's overrated anyway. The Dark Knight is the best movie of all time.

In terms of single game, nothing, but in terms of a character who's like Kane there's Andrew Ryan.

>that series is fantastic gameplay
>babby's first stealth action game

The writing really isn't that bad, if at all.

This is embarrassing to even look at.

How in the fuck am i the ONLY one to point this out?
oh thats right never ever ]

>it's another anons talking about things they have no knowledge of episode
Carry on.

came to post this

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t. gen z babby who only played the Metal Gear games after seeing E3 2013 trailer playing Revengeance and never played thief or splinter cell because no MUH MEMES XD

>ctrl + f
>no tetris
Tetris excels as a game, citizen cane excels as a movie. They're two different media and should be judged as such. No game has done cinematography, acting, mise en scene and so on as well as even the top 1000 or 10000 films. But no film requires as much fast thinking, skill, tacit knowledge as most games. Tetris is a simple game with deceitfully difficult gameplay.

KANE LIVES!

When's the last time anyone ever watched Citizen Kane, aside from trust fund art students?

The Last of Us!

Tetris is for casual normalfaggots. If you said Robotron I would be fine.

Ocarina of Time.

I own the Digibook. It's one of my favorite movies

Nah. Half Life was the first to do a lot of what it did, but lots of games were the first to do lots of things. Half Life is only special because it did really well and was a pretty good game for its time (although it holds up terribly).

Lots of games took elements from Half Life, sure, but that's like saying lots of movies took elements from Star Wars. Star Wars is great, but it's not Citizen Kane. Star Wars didn't redefine what movies were, it was just a really good, really original movie.

Likewise, Half Life didn't redefine video games. It was just a good, original video game.

Just go watch it user, it's a genuinely good experience. Not like you're doing anything else this new year's :^)

That's actually a good suggestion.

If you wanna talk stealth action, then you'd say MGS, not MGS2.

And I would say that although many games have been influenced by the stealth gameplay of MGS, that its influence is not widespread enough.

>(although it holds up terribly).
Utter plebian.

Wolfenstein 3D came before it.

It needed to revolutionize game making too you jackass.

ITT: People who have no idea what Citizen Kane did for film pick their favorite childhood game

>MGS below Alpha Protocol

I get that MGS stealth is actually pretty silly, and I enjoy both overall, but Alpha Protocol stealth is a fucking joke.

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this

I understand what Citizen Kane did for films. But it's not a good one, and was made as a joke in the first place.

Really makes you think.

Who brought up OoT you schizo faggot?

SHENMUE.

If you just want Metal Gear than just say it fampai

what makes Citizen Kane special?

Citizen Game

Games journalism is a bunch of depressed English majors who are embarrassed that they write about video games desperately trying to validate their lives by attempting to convince others that video games are art.

As we all know, Citizen Kane was the moment movies became art.

>I understand what Citizen Kane did for films. But it's not a good one

so... System Shock, Baldur's Gate or Fallout 1/2?

its got the music, its got the visuals, its story is simple but depth can be found when you look for it. in my opinion, super mario galaxy may be the closest thing to a "citizen kane" of gaming which doesnt just mean film school bullshit