Let's set the record straight: the Switch is not the beginning of the 9th generation of consoles...

Let's set the record straight: the Switch is not the beginning of the 9th generation of consoles. Nintendo gave up on adhering to console generations when they decided to re-skin the Gamecube and add a waggle wand for the Wii. The Switch is not going to affect the way games are developed for the Xbone and PS4 are developed and it's not going to accelerate the arrival of the PS5 and Xbotwo, because power-wise it's comparable to the Wii U (albeit as a portable with an ARM-based CPU).

The games we'll see on the Switch will be comparable to the ones we saw in the 7th generation and there's no real gameplay gimmick other than being portable, so it's not a game changer for MS or Sony. It's going to be a lot of old ports (Skyrim) and Nintendo's usual exclusives, but at best it's an 8th generation handheld, not a 9th generation console, same as the PSP came out at the tail end of the 6th generation and the Vita came out at the tail end of the 7th.

Remember that Atari released not one but two consoles during the 2nd generation. No-one would argue that the Atari 5200 was a 3rd generation console or that the 7200 was a 4th generation console. It's not without precedent for a company to release multiple systems in the same generation. The Switch is largely a stop gap for Nintendo because neither the Wii U or the 3DS had the stamina to make it through to the end of the 8th generation.

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Actually, this system will be full of UE4 games, according to certain sources: youtube.com/watch?v=2rG_Gh4eAt8

But i bet 95% of those games will be indie shit.

Wii U ran Cryengine
Which engines get ported has nothing to do with what generation a console belongs to

I've been a fan of Nintendo for many many years and today I'm forced to come to the realization that my favorite company is not what it once was.

The eye opener for me was the Nintendo Switch. Not because it's excessively bad as anyone claims but mainly because it's a let down.

After the failure that was the Wii U they kept saying that they had learn from their mistake and that we would get the console of our dreams. Look at us Nintendo fans today, we are stuck with a gimmick nobody asked for or wanted.

But this is the company we supported this is who we are.

I've had it with Nintendo. I won't buy anything from them anymore. I'm going either PC / Xbone / PS4 because those companies at least give a shit about what their core base want.

And you know what people want today? They want to feel energized and recognized in a competitive environment. I'm gonna get just that even if I've to play F2P on steam.

bye bye Nintendo

Nice pasta.

I'm giving the switch a chance mostly because I yearn for days of old.

But if it goes down the, "switch XL, switch slim, switch switcher" route I'm done.

Well, generation is just nerd shit trying to classify consoles by date.
You have to remember that the Mattel Hyperscan belongs on the same generation as the PS3/360/Wii, even with it being inferior to the snes in several aspects.

It all boils down to "if it is good, buy it".
All this retarded fanboy drama only makes shit worse for the games in general, as it give companies safety nets to fuck up.

Wrong, wrong and wrong again

The Switch can run UE4 on HIGH settings which means we will get most of AAA 3rd party games.

It's okay don't be mad I'm sure the Piss4 will still be somewhat relevant in niche markets.

First: Medium, not high.
Still enough to get the third parties but not beating the PS4 in graphics.

Secondly: It is an entirely different market to the PS4, and thus won't put a dent on it.

All that is fine - so they don't want to compete with Sony and Microsoft - but what they've demonstrated is that f the system doesn't sell, they're going to abandon it like the WiiU. I'm nervous about this console.

so did xbox 360 and ps3, 2012 cryengine 3 =/= ue4

Would you honestly keep supporting a console as the sole publisher for it while everyone complains you can only put out five or six games on it per year while also having to support a handheld with as at least as many games per year?

Is it wrong that i think that route would be cool?
it worked for the 3ds

Two things.
>Nvidia Tegra
>Kingdom Hearts 3
On top of that, Microsoft and Sony are shit most of the time these days. Everyone's all, "muh 60fps", and, "muh 4k", like they're actually relevant. To the naked eye, there's literally no difference between 1080p HD and 4k, nor is there a visible difference between 30 and 60fps. It's all just techy buzzwords to get people hyped.

Not really. PC is expensive, and Sony is money hungry now. Xbox did manage backwards compat with the X1, so, it's not SO bad, but Microsoft practically owns your soul just to use it, so, I mean, it's whatever.

STOP FUCKING POSTING THIS GOD DAMNED IMAGE

There is a huge difference between 30 and 60 fps, as any nintendo console owner knows, given the fact nintendo consistently aims at this frame rate at anything not named zelda.

You mean the Xbone? The PS4 is easily the best of the 2.

>Nvidia Tegra quad core
>medium
Haha, ok, have fun with your daydreams of Sony supremacy.

>nor is there a visible difference between 30 and 60fps
Takes the bait*. The difference between 30 fps and 60 fps is high, and everyone (including your grandma) notices it

>The games we'll see on the Switch will be comparable to the ones we saw in the 7th generation and there's no real gameplay gimmick other than being portable
There's like a grand total of two confirmed games on Switch. Also Vita did the same "no real gameplay gimmick other than being portable".

Both wrong. 60fps is a gamer meme, I've done it all, and there's literally no difference. Say I'm baiting all you want, I really don't care, but there's absolutely no difference imo, and you won't convince me otherwise. I have 20/20 vision, and I see absolutely no difference between them. Imo, it's just a sales pitch.

>nor is there a visible difference between 30 and 60fps

i'm assuming you're trolling, but in case you're not i just want to know that this is objectively, provably wrong

It's a portable system.
There's only so much it can do, and well it can do enough.
But to beat the PS4, you don't need to outperform it, you need to somehow steal people from the PSN online server, and this is something i don't see nintendo doing, or microsoft.
Also PS4 pro will get its ass handed to PS4 slim just because it is the cheapest path to the PSN server.

Look at these examples. If you can't tell the difference, then you genuinely may have some eye issue

30vs60.com/

Looks like low to me

Man, watching console tards argue hardware and graphical settings
>High
>No medium
Literally barfed in my mouth a little. You don't know what you're talking about at all you fucking idiots

You can't tell the difference because you're a total genetic misfire. No one else here has that problem.

Even my phone runs games that use UE4. That doesn't mean the Switch can run modern AAA titles.

Remember that Sonic Boom ran on the Cry Engine.

The biggest NeNi haters, are former Nintendo fans.

You are wrong, on both accounts. I'm not trolling, nor am I wrong, imo. Key phrase being imo. You may see a huge difference, probably a hallucination or something caused by hype and being full of Shit, but imo (I'm my opinion), there IS NO DIFFERENCE.

Part of me says ok, fair enough... Then part of me says no one cares about psn... then I remember... Trump won the presidency, proving that idiots DO exist, so... yeah...
I genuinely have NO eye issue,like I said, 20/20 vision, and there's still NO DIFFERENCE.

>presentation = final product
I'm literally laughing now. Nice bait.
Not even close. I'm more than likely superior to most of you, genetically speaking, just as an objective fact. Most talented people are genetically superior.

Obviously. It's just a handheld with a HDMI out, anyone with sense knows this.

Nintendo is trying to market it as a handheld console though because portable console is more appealing than handheld with a hdmi out. Also likely so they can put $60 price tags on the games instead of $40.

There's a difference in a high performance gaming monitor in a hi-def racing game.

For me that moment was when I saw the Wii. I was already getting aggravated with Nintendo for not supporting online with the Gamecube, and the Wii was my breaking point.

>presentation != final product
Are you going to literally laugh in the upcoming Switch presentation as well. What are you going to tell yourself while laughing?

What's NeNi?

>The Switch is not going to affect the way games are developed for the Xbone and PS4 are developed
And the Switch is not going to affect the way games are developed for Nintendo platforms: mostly 1st party, and a smattering of 3rd party.

youtube.com
/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wmm07b5llXs

NewNintendo

NeoNintendo

...

the wii u is like 5 years old dude. its time for next gen

Oh... That's useful. It reads pretty well, too.
NeNi

N e N i
Fuck i miss old nintendo, all shitposting aside. I want them to wow me again. I know they still can.

What did they mean by this?

So you assume that everyone who can see a difference is just hallucinating or screwing with you? How would you explain blind tests with 100% accuracy determining 30 vs 60fps?

>Well, generation is just nerd shit trying to classify consoles by date.
This. It was invented by Wikipedians when "bits" were no longer a reliable measure for classification. The cutoff points are not even that well defined.

i-i-it doesnt matter! i already have a high end PC to play capcom games!

if you looked at the examples on the website and didn't see a difference, then you absolutely do have an issue of some kind. nothing major, it's just a lack of sensitivity or something, but i can promise you there is an enormous difference between the two examples.

The Switch is too high-powered for a low budget series like MH and too low-powered for a high budget series like RE

well, I still liked the Wii and WiiU

That image is a load of horse shit.

>too high-powered for a low budget series like MH
There were MH games on PS2, Wii, and Wii U. I am 100% sure there will be MH on Switch

There were MH games on PSP but no MH games on Vita.

Colecvision was not technologically so superior that it could be considered so much fucking different than 2600 and Intellivision. 5200 was a failed and dead console and went nowhere, with most of it's games looking barely enhanced compared to the 2600. The SG-1000 is the only one in that image that makes some sense, but even so, it's not a third gen console.

How exactly? Are you denying that early 80s consoles were more advanced than late 70s ones? Especially the 5200, which was the clearly intended successor to the 2600?

there were also MH games on the PS2

Yeah, so? That's because Capcom put them on the 3DS instead.

Already said that but yeah, exactly

If we can get 360/PS3 quality games in a handheld thats a pretty decent achievement. As far as i can remember the Wii-U was specs wise about 20-30% better than a 360, and the Switch is slightly more powerful than a Wii U.

It could probably even run GTA V - Assuming you felt 360 quality was acceptable, though it might have slightly smoother frame rates.

The 5200 had games that looked like this

Objection. UE4 has games, Cryengine did not.

Or his computer is set to output at a max of 30fps so he wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway.

>low budget series like MH
MH is ridiculously high budget.

youtube.com/watch?v=Vc0rdazCw24
From this video it is said that MH4G (not MH4):
>has 1.5 years development time
>has 200 staff working on it
>has budget of several billions of yen

The consoles in the early 80s vs the late 70s were more like a lateral movement. Very small incremental upgrades that went nowhere. The Colecovision wasn't that much more impressive than the Intellivision, and the 5200 died so quickly it didn't make an impact. The SG-1000 is weird because it became the Sega Master System, so in reality, it could be considered a prototype 3rd generation console.

The guy who made that image is just trying to seem pretentious like he figured something out no one knew.

I just can't be assed to buy a console and then have it get out performed a year later. At least with computers you have viable builds for a few years.

>The SG-1000 is the only one in that image that makes some sense, but even so, it's not a third gen console.
It launched on the same date as the Famicom in Japan, which is the first third-gen console. The only reason why it's not usually considered a third-gen console was because Sega skipped out on giving it a worldwide release to focus on the more advanced Mark III/Master System..

Well yeah, the Wii U was generation 7.5 for Nintendo. The Switch is generation 8 for them.

Your desktop is a month old? Well thats great. If you could use a nice heavy paperweight.

That shit is obsolete before you open the box.

The problem with PS4 Pro is I don't really know who it's for. If it's for people with 4K TV sets, why can't it play 4K Blu-Ray? If it's for the hardcore gamer, why don't the enhanced games have things like setting sliders? Maybe I'd rather run a game in 1080p and use that extra horsepower to run it at 60FPS since I don't have a 4K screen?

The PS4 Pro is significantly more powerful than the regular PS4 Pro but 90% of customers won't see any benefit because of how the new hardware is being utilized, and without 4K Blu-Ray support it's a less appealing 4K box than the Xbox One S.

>MH is ridiculously high budget.
You don't know what high budget even means because you're a nintendrone and your consoles don't get AAA titles

MH is a low budget series, it's a step above mobile

Prove me wrong retard.

siliconera.com/2013/09/25/hundred-people-worked-monster-hunter-4/
siliconera.com/2014/04/18/monster-hunter-4-developers-traveled-around-world-collect-data/

Just the memory quantity alone will guarantee the Switch will make the WiiU it's bitch.
Extra texture size is pretty much free in terms of performance... as long you can fit on the RAM.

The switch is just GameCube tier hardware that has been repackaged as Wii hardware that has been repackaged as Wii U hardware that has been repackaged as the switch. They have not improved in 4 generations, they have just changed the name of the "device" anyone that buys a switch is saying "I love eating human shit, I love sucking it out of Japanese corporate asshole and love gargling the stinky brown goop until my teeth are stained brown"

.........

>The switch is just GameCube tier hardware that has been repackaged as Wii hardware that has been repackaged as Wii U hardware that has been repackaged as the switch. They have not improved in 4 generations, they have just changed the name of the "device" anyone that buys a switch is saying "I love eating human shit, I love sucking it out of Japanese corporate asshole and love gargling the stinky brown goop until my teeth are stained brown"
do you have any idea, what you are saying?

sony fans getting to work early on the worst fanbase 2017 award

What award will Nintendo fans win this year?

That's not true at all. Running brand new AAA games at the absolute highest settings requires a beast of a computer, yeah. But you can manage that performance for at least a year, depending on when you buy the parts. And all it takes to continue running them well is just turning down a few particularly demanding settings. If you want to run them at console settings (i.e. 30fps, 1080p, low settings) you'll get years out of a computer.

And when even that's not enough? Upgrade GPU/RAM and you're good, no need for a new build

>he has year old parts
hehehehee

cool people who like themselves and enjoy life

How do you win that award?

I don't have to
If this cost 10s of millions of dollars, they're shit at what they do. The Witcher 3 only cost 23 million.

t. sonygger

CDProjekt is an example of what can be done when you hire the best applicant rather than hiring the best transgender PoC that happened to apply.

That's still more advanced than anything on the 2600.

>The consoles in the early 80s vs the late 70s were more like a lateral movement. Very small incremental upgrades that went nowhere.
You could make the same argument about most consoles if you think about it, especially when it comes to the GameCube and Wii, but even the current gen PS4 and Xbone are not that much of a great leap from the PS3 and 360.

>The SG-1000 is weird because it became the Sega Master System, so in reality, it could be considered a prototype 3rd generation console.
It was literally launched at the same time as the Famicom. Sega quickly abandoned it in favor of the more advanced Master System. And then they abandon that to launch the even more advanced Mega Drive. All of this before the Super Famicom was even launched in '90. The only reason why we consider the Mega Drive fourth gen was because it was the one that ended up competing with the Super NES as the Genesis (and also because the SG-1000 was a weird mostly JP-exclusive curiosity).

>The guy who made that image is just trying to seem pretentious like he figured something out no one knew.
I think it does show how arbitrary generation categorizations can be at times. I never understood why all the pre-NES consoles with interchangeable media are lumped under 2nd gen.

Is the TurboGrafx-16 a third gen console because it was made to compete with the NES or fourth gen because it ended up competed with Genesis and Super NES? What about the Dreamcast, which quickly phased out the Saturn while the PS1 and N64 were still alive and well? And so.

Now you're changing the argument. The argument was that it was high-budget, not that it had great graphics. There are also limits the 3DS hardware places on the game's graphical prowess, though MH3U looked substantially better so I don't quite know what happened.

stop being a miserable drony

Hardware wise, is there anything significantly different between a standard and 4k capable blu-ray drive?

Just wondering if it could feasibly be added via firmware

>Hardware wise, is there anything significantly different between a standard and 4k capable blu-ray drive?
I assume the storage media itself is different. Obviously an Ultra HD BD is going to have a greater capacity than a regular BD.

oh shit its you again

With that stupid price point, it's going to take more than their usual first party tripe to be successful. If it lives until it's inevitable 1 year price drop, it might at least finish a decent third place this gen.

Sup Forums has the gall to call this place NintendoGaf when every thread about the Switch devolves into anti-Nintendo shitposting.

The Genesis was meant to compete with the NES too. But you would consider them fourth gen.

The fucking i5 processor can still beast any game out there. Computer hardware vastly beats video games in pace and aren't utilized to their full potential. Why buy new parts every year?

I think you missed the part of my post where the Mega Drive, that's it's correct name it isn't Genesis, was made to compete with the Super NES. Just a correction.

which stupid price tag mate?
Outside of speculation and Sup Forums memes there isn't any.
They didn't say shit about the console yet

>console war
Stopped reading right there, use your edgelord autistic terms elsewhere.

Hey, retard, the 3DS has a screen resolution of 400x280. I don't know if you realize just how restricting that is in terms of visual fidelity. Consider that even the shittiest, most compressed textures are higher resolution than that. The 3DS physically cannot display a good looking game, no matter how much you spend making that game.

The 3DS screen is so shitty that you can LITERALLY SEE THE INDIVIDUAL PIXELS. You see how fucking jaggy that screenshot is? That's not because there's no AA. That's because the screen is such a low resolution that it isn't actually possible to make it less jaggy.

Considering the tiny-ass size of the screen and the shitty fucking resolution, compounded with the absolutely abysmal power of the console, I'd say that Capcom has done a fucking amazing job.

Well the MH4G expansion costs 10s of millions of dollars. The base MH4 game probably costs more.

>pic related
I hate nintendo but come the fuck on