Dragon's Dogma

Is Grigori the greatest antagonist in all vidya?

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'Tis weak to fire

When the FUCK is Itsuno going to make the sequel?

He has like thirty seconds of screen time and barely impacts the plot at all. What's there is fantastic, but it's hard to call him a great antagonist when he has less presence than the villain of the DLC.

The world of Dragon's Dogma is pretty flat t b h

There's aught better.

Why so many dogma threads?

You're all making me want to spend just a little of my filthy lucre getting a stable pc and rejoining the fray. Imagine it's probably pretty dead now though, yeah?

>barely impacts the plot at all
Practically everything that happen to you is due to him to some degree.

This, Daimon was a much better antagonist

No. His whole shtick is that you think he is the antagonist, but then find out he is an even bigger victim than you.

This is even more retarded. You don't even meet Daimon up to the point when you reach the end of BBI. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>You would face me, then? Tis a fool's choice, Arisen. But better fool than craven

what does he say if you puss out and sacrifice your lover?

I can't even imagine what kind of person would cuck themselves out of a final boss fight

Daimon is a literal who until you talk too him. at least Gergori has actual impact on the world Damion is just sitting in his tomb crying like a little faggot

>"Then you will renounce your bond with this human and make an offering of their death? I shall not judge you, Arisen, for weakness is your nature as a child of man."

I don't remeber but it's a game over. You get achievements tho.

A few questions about the game.

Where is the damage dealt on Gicel? I keep hitting things with High Gicel, but part of me feels like it's not dealing a lot of damage when it hits big things like Chimeras.

What is the dragon doing just hanging out in the forest by the shadow fort?! It also looks a lot smaller than it did in the intro fight.

I think he says something along the lines of
>I won't judge, because I knew you were a little faggot anyway

The Duke

Good question. The Wiki doesn't say anything about it.

that's not the dragon you dingus

That's a drake, m8.
There's the dragon, and a sub dragon type for Fire, Ice and Lightning.
That drake in particular is there to deliver pain and misery to anyone who does the mine pathway quest early and is too stupid to run away.

>the dragon doing just hanging out in the forest by the shadow fort
that fucking dragon m8. I found him literally on my first playthrough, I was level 12 or something. He got me good after an ingame month of fighting.

The pawns literally go "It's the dragon!" "The heart is exposed!" It has like 6-7 health bars and grabbed my pawn and went "I am your master now" and applied possession.

It wasn't near the exit to the mine pathway quest, it was south of the fort towards on the west side of the lake.

not best antagonist but he's my favorite vidya dragon.

Meant for

How did that even happen anyway? The general populace does not know about the whole choice thing, so every Arisen will at first think his entire job is killing the Dragon
And it's not like he could be afraid of losing, considering how fast you level through vocations

I love how the game keeps reiterating "stay close to the roads because you're gonna get fucked if you go cross country" and it's never ever true _except_ for when you try to get to the Shadowfort at a low level

Daimon is the good guy, he actually tried to stop the cycle.

The pawns say many things, and all dragon subtypes have vulnerable hearts.

Also, the Dragon wanders about a bit, and is all too happy to fuck over people exploring.

It's implied that the Duke just shat himself when he saw the Dragon up close, which is why he refuses to believe you could have actually killed it.

Is there any reason not to do BBI alongside the main story?
I thought Death was some kind of gate encounter at first instead of just a thing that appears randomly, and it's fun to fight big monsters in the BBI levels I can beat

Yeah it's weird, there's one Dragon, which is the one responsible for taking your heart, but there's also several drakes who are also intelligents.

Their dialogs implies they are connected to the Dragon as some of them are shocked when you disturb them and say things about the seat of god and how they must feed, but it's weird, because the in-game lore more or less state that there's only one big Dragon at once

I finally got around to playing this game. I'm a few hours in, any tips?

dark

Wolves hunt in packs.

Goblins are weak to fire.

Don't sell idols, you need them for quests
You have an eternal ferrystone in your external inventory to fast travel to portcrystal
When you go on a trip be sure to take a portcrystal with you if you've got one to spare so you can place it at your destination, cut down travel time. You can just pick it back up whenver you want

Remember you can switch vocations freely, but also remember to not just discard one as not fun until level 6 or so
Remember that hired pawns don't level with you, I ran around with level 5 pawns when I was level 20 in my first playthrough before I noticed
Buy the equipment of the masterworks guy immediately when you switch to a new vocation
You can just buy infinite greenwarishes if you feel like trivializing the game

>And it's not like he could be afraid of losing, considering how fast you level through vocations

Why wouldn't the Duke be afraid of the dragon? There was only a single person who was able to kill one before him.

My point is that you can gain enough experience to kill the dragon by killing like 300 assorted creatures and bandits

Doesn't that just make him that much better, though? He can be so memorable and impactful with just that little bit of screentime.

60% of what make him so great is the english voice acting and the other 40 is the actual content of the dialog, though. That latin at the beginning was the perfect mood setter.

That dragon probably top 3 fights I had in that game
>run into him as lowish level
>flying around on his back with my pawn slowly killing him
>so many days/nights pass
>weave around trees and rocks to avoid flame
>extra careful as not to attract those asshole goblins
>eventually kill him
>exhausted and itemless after the fight
>goblin comes from behind a rock, stuns me with one of his moves and I die
>tfw

I stopped playing just after the Duchess affair thing happens
Is the entire story that stupid and rushed?
I don't have a problem with running with that but it still is weird to have your silent protagonist have an affair with a grill after she spoke 20 words to you

Don't give what's his face any other Idol but the gold one. Once you give him a shit one you can't to back later and give him the gold one for the best stuff he sells.

Yes, and you can kill him with a single arrow, but you wouldn't know that until you finally face him.

>chase the cult about thinking they are a threat
>gets wrecked in an instant as soon as grigori shows up

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The game is quite boring until the last 1/3 at which point it becomes pretty good. The DLC dungeon is amazing and where the game really shines

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There is only one dragon besides that cave fag but that's also connected to lore.

The rest just live there. Iirc there was a cutscene of the Shadowfort one lapping up water

>this ominous hooded guy who shows up as early as the first Cyclops fight surely must be a powerful villain and major driving force in the plot
>nope lol

Doesn't this fuck with the game and not end it correctly?

Why doesn't the Arisen just use the arrow as a tiny dagger and stab every enemy he encounters with it

>imagine a sp game is dead
Does it matter? Probably isn't even dead, there are just few people levelling anymore.

You don't get any loot.

I always assumed they were other arisens based on their dialog

I didn't bother thinking too much about the lore though

Ah, that's what it was. It's been a while I couldn't remember.

It only works once.

That's only if you shoot it at him when a cutscene that advances to another stage is supposed to play.

Particularly when you're on the tower and you are supposed to shoot him with a ballista bolt.

It's how you do the Clear Skies in Gransys glitch

I thought Dragon's Dogma was fun, I liked climbing on monsters and whacking them, I like making cute girls, the spells were fun and had variety to them and it wasn't just flinging a ball at enemies or having a temporary flamethrower. I really understand the stats pertaining to armor and how it really affected the gameplay, but that just made it so I picked the armor I liked to see more. I wish there was more.

Probably this, since you become the Dragon if you die fighting the Seneschal I always assumed the lesser dragons are arisens who were defeated by the dragon (this is merely headcanon though), I remember from old threads, even before Dark Arisen, people always said how Drake (fire) = red classes, Wyvern (thunder) = yellow classes and Wyrm (ice) = blue classes.

For an Arisen to become a dragon it needs to reach the Seneschal, but reaching the Seneschal is only done by killing the dragon.

It made all the more fun too, going through Bitterblack Isle in full Fashions Dogma gear actually made it that much harder since stats play a prettysignificant role in combat.

Gee it's almost like the faggot drakes you can fight aren't actual full-on dragons

I thought that was a goat simulator image from the thumbnail

It's not a multiplayer game so do you care?

Then how do they know about the seneschal?

>give the loli a ring early on
>want to finish up some sidequests before fighting the dragon
>do the whore queens quest last
>final battle time
>big moment thats supposed to pull out your heart strings
>grigori pulls out slutty princes instead of my waifu
completely ruined it for me

Maybe they become bound to his will when they are defeated by the dragon, I didn't write the game m8

>they become bound to his will when they are defeated by the dragon
This is the most logical explanation.

>kill the dragon, but fail to defeat the Seneschal - become the new dragon
>get killed by the dragon - become a faggot drake

Why are DD faggots so insufferable?

You are all weebs, and yet you think you are superior to western gamers despite your shitty games constantly stealing from western assets like DD shamefully does, just like Dark Souls.

Witcher 3 is superior to DD in every fathomable way.

How much of the world being fucked up is due to the dragon arriving? I am aware that a cloud of unease hangs o'er the lands these days, but surely a population of hundreds of bandits, saurians, and thousands of goblins did not all happen because of the dragon

nice false flag lad have a (You)

Very epic and so on, is that the regular whirl from the fast attack tree? I only ever played a sign-focused character and this looks like it might be fun when I play the DLC

The seneschal is a better antagonist.

>How much of the world being fucked up is due to the dragon arriving?
Most likely, not much. From playing the game I got the impression is that the world of Dragon's Dogma is literally medieval Catachan.

Bandits were there already, but your pawn mention that the Dragon's arrival encouraged some monsters to come down the mountains they were living in.

Yes.

However, I think he used one of the sword enchant thing from the DLC to give his sword an extra length when swinging.

I always assumed that just meant the harpies and maybe the undead
Surely no one would live in a city and _not_ secure the area right outside of it where the undead rise every night for years on end, right?

Am I being biased towards DD or is the hate for the story/lore (or for the lack of it, for that matter) kind of unjustified?
It's true there's barely any exposition via cutscenes and all that jazz, but there's plenty of lore and side stories in there, I feel like it's in the same vein as Dark Souls, with little exposition but lots of lore in the details, but while DD gets a lot of flack DS is often praised for the lore. I actually like both games, by the way, so if I'm wrong I'd like to see why.

Sure.

Coolio
Can I beat the DLCs with a complete red build? I never liked speccing into alchemy in Witcher games, no matter how broken it is

>stealing western assets
>putting dragons dogma in the same sentence as shit souls
T. assblased autismo who can't play games based on how good they are and not where they are made.

The plague of the Undead is caused by the Salvation cult, which you actually stop, notice how no more zombies appear after your second visit in the catacombs.
Also with the Dragon's arrival leading to the monsters becoming more bold and getting closer to human settlements (even taking some, see Shadow Fort), it probably made the bandits become bolder and grow in numbers as well, since the roads are less used now making it easier to jump lone travelers and caravans.

The lore is alright, but the story's turns are completely retarded
In Dark Souls, you have a straight-forward task and all the bosses you have to kill are a logical progression to fulfill it
In Dragon's Dogma, you come from your first audience with the Duke, the camera shows you that you should maybe go speak to the Duchess, she likes your jester hat and talks about how the Duke is acting weird and IIRC even alludes to the Duke's "illness", then her handmaid says you should meet her in secret
If you were a sane person, what would you expect to happen next? If you honestly say "she wants your D" then you might be mentally ill

Yeah I did something like that, practically full red with some extra points in blue, no sweat.

>notice how no more zombies appear after your second visit in the catacombs
I did not notice that and it is cool as hell, good to know
>since the roads are less used now making it easier to jump lone travelers and caravans
>less travelers and more monsters means more bandits
Naw man

Alright, thanks
The game has a respec system, right? So I could load up my old-ass signs save, respec into red, and go upgrade the Cat gear before I start the DLC?
Maybe farm some red mutagens as well

>notice how no more zombies appear after your second visit in the catacombs.
Bullshit, I had to go there to kill a couple living armor and they were there

GOAT Dragon

Yeah.

There's a potion which let you respec. Check the wiki for it, but it's sold at Kaer Morhen by Keira, if you let her live and go there at the conclusion of her quest.

Aren't those armors related to a board quest?

Yep, and I killed them after killing Grigori.

According to the wiki it becomes available after you reach the Arisen's Refuge, and they spawn specifically for the quest. Still, it's the wiki, so take it with a pinch of salt.

I'm not talking about the Living Armor themselves, I'm talking about the zombies.

imo the quests are all retarded and drag the game down. The only thing you should play this game for is the combat, exploration, "final" boss fight and DLC content (everfall/BBI).

Most small quests and events are retarded as fuck and I can't tolerate doing them over and over each playthrough. I do my best to skip them.

A generic dragon seen during the first and last 10 minutes of the game?
I'd say no.

Agreed the character with the ring should override all other characters

>tfw it's another one of those generic dragons who eats your heart to initiate another turn of the eternal cycle where you have to kill him and then hope to defeat god or you will become the next dragon

not that user but DD being dead makes farming for uncursing bitterblack gear a pain in the ass seeing as your pawn can't come back with the damn near limitless amounts of the currency required for it. I mean I managed to do it alright but I definitely had to grind quite a bit all the while I got more bitterblack gear I needed to uncurse,

Are there several Arisens for one Dragon? If not, how does the Dragon pick? Do they all go with the very first guy who tries to hit them with a stick on a beach?
Also, what if the Arisen just refuses to make the choice? What if he just walks away or refuses to even go meet the Dragon in the first place

Make a second steam account, set your primary to family share, run your secound account through BBI or whatever with your first accounts main pawn to make things easy.

Remember to send the main pawn back every 40 levels or so since they'll be maxed out on RC at that point (1 mil).

>Are there several Arisens for one Dragon?
Yes, there are shittons of arisens for one dragon.

>What if he just walks away or refuses to even go meet the Dragon in the first place.
Nothing, they can continue to live out their life further. This is a valid choice to make as an Arisen.