1.1 million left according to census

1.1 million left according to census.

>we finally got to see WoW die in our lifetime

Good.

Are MMOs a dead genre? Any still worth playing?

Nostcucks need not apply. It's not the same and you know it

Game still has few million people playing = dead

I had some great memories from Wow. But I couldn't play it anymore. I stayed only for the RP in the end. I loved the lore and setting, the characters I had made and the stories I had written. And then we had to involve time shit. I couldn't take that, it fucked up so much story wise. And why did they do it? Ultimately so they could have Gul'dan back after they killed his ass back in Warcraft 2 time.

I saw the rise and fall of many guilds in this game. Many hours of my life, gone. I still have some friends remaining from all the fallout. Even if I just went to another MMO kept up by floaties, I always kinda miss WoW, but never enough to deal with the poor RP community or spend the money.

I'll miss your world, Warcraft, just not your MMO and botched story.

Source?

not surprised

couldve been a great expansion. legendaries and artifacts were good ideas but executed poorly.

>i stayed for the rp

the rp died at wotlk, try RPH, a rp private server with a half decent community.

Honestly, the only thing that matters is server population and player density.

There are only a few high-pop servers left in the game and even with cross-realm bullshit player density in the world on a high-pop server is still a small fraction of that of Elysium-Nostalrius. The world feels empty and dead.

FFXIV is the only modern MMOs that isn't completely garbage. It's still mostly garbage though.

Other than that you're pretty much stuck with dead private servers for older MMOs.

It's not so bad. I could think of deader genres.

If there was ever any doubt

>census
lmao

I bought a wow token before my sub ran out for 7.1.5
I don't even feel like using it anymore after seeing what 7.1.5 brought

Legion was everything wrong with neo blizzard

>people in this thread actually believing OP's made up numbers

any lewd? really only interested if I can find erp-friendly people.

it's a shame, they could have just had another content patch following siege of org that somehow ended up with garrosh resurrecting gul'dan (and subsequently being killed by him), could have prevented what wod did to an already finicky story

I think you can fire up the addon and let it run for a while. Last time I did it I got 1.3 mil but that was about a month ago so it's quite possible it's dropped more since then.

Nostalrius is cancer with areas being over populated at every leveling area.

Not very hard to believe considering there are only a handful of servers at high population now.

But Blizzard doesn't give a shit about subs.
That's why they sell the base game for 10 bucks more than they used to.
They also have a cash shop in a game that has a base price AND a monthly fee.

As long as there are whales to milk, as well as people that play for 1 month every 2 years whenever an xpac is released, all's find and healthy in the eyes of Blizzard, even if you're the only person on your server and the 10 other characters you see in the capital at prime time are from 10 different servers.

Well it's the best source we can get since blizzard refuses to post sub numbers since early WoD. Also their subs would include token and chinese players that are "subbed" but don't pay for a sub.

Census is actually much more accurate than official numbers now since it tracks unique accounts logging in.

lots of good singleplayer games like witcher 3 and doom 2016 showed those addicts that theres better experiences than grinding endlessly shitty loot thats not worth 13bucs a month plus their own free to play titles sway people out too.

>false source is better than no source
Wrong, nigger.
Stop spamming these garbage threads.

yup

>tfw tried telling the friends artifacts were an awful feature

ITEMS WITH PROGRESSION THAT SPAN AN ENTIRE EXPANSION IS UNHEALTHY AND WE'VE HAD SHIT LIKE THIS SINCE MOP.

I had to drill it in their heads that not needing to replace an item for TWO YEARS was a shit idea.

Artifacts and Legendaries are the biggest issues facing the game and they are intent on keeping this shitty design.

Well you should prove the op wrong then.

Stop samefagging.

soon

I sometimes log into my server and let census run all afternoon every month or so for fun. Thanks to F2P to 20 I can get accurate numbers every month. I've actually got a spreadsheet going on the fall of population since Cataclysm and Legion has an even sharper fall than Warlords of Draenor after the first 2 months it was out. Legion lost close to 5 million players in 2 months which is normal because a lot of people try the new expansion then leave again, but what was shocking was the continued plummet after that 2 months where a playebase usually stabilizes it hasn't stabilized at all yet for the entirety of Legion. It just keeps dropping and dropping. I think it's overdue but it's crazy to see the game die like this when people still hold on to that Cataclysm was an awful expansion. It had a steady drop but Legion's nearly doubles the rate of drop.

When the game hits sub 500k players and is considered "ded" I'm planning on releasing the data into the wild and then people can see the truth blizzard didn't want you to know about.

Post it now you blog posting faggot

what do you suggest people use to see the real population of the game then?

I'm just assuming you're an expert on the matter.

but you replace the 3 relics in each weapon though

Dunno. Using data thats known to be bullshit is gay as fuck though.
You fucking homo.

Nah, I'll wait. I want the game to be done so it can be complete data from patch 3.3-death.

Feels like the last expansion anyways. Everything (classic to Dreanor) was leading to the confrontation with the burning legion.

Absolutely not. MMO's rode off of the novelty of thousands of players on a single server in a persistent world. None of that is mind blowing anymore and it doesn't impress. Now people are seeing mmos as they actually are, really simplistic and boring gameplay with awful story potential and the only way to keep people playing the game is to create grind/farm and hope people get addicted to chasing incremental upgrades for long periods of time.

They're shit games.

Never played WoW. Had a chance too during pandas but figured that it would does soon after that, now maybe mmos will flourish once again now that it's dead, or WoW 2 will come and I will be able to hop into that (unless they have such a Jewish subscription service again like the og)

>garrosh resurrecting gul'dan
Entirely possible too, since he would go to outland on a "returning home to the land of his people" kinda trip only to go to the Black Temple which is the last known location of the Skull of Gul'dan since Illidan had it.
From there, he is corrupted by it's power, leading him to fall under the puppetmastery of the legion who leads him to resurrecting Gul'dan using the blood of the innocents and perhaps even the blood of Mannoroth or another Pit Lord. This brings Gul'dan back even stronger, essentially a new kind of Demon Lich hybrid (Resurrected like Kel'thuzad in the sunwell) and boom! Villain garrosh to meet that requirement of blizzard, Garrosh falls to the same trickery as his father (repeating the mistakes of the past), Gul'dan is back with a vengence, legion is on it's way here for tea and biscuits, and no god damn time bullshit.

FUCK mobile posting btw

For a last expansion it's really honestly a 2/10 then. People are confronting the biggest bad in Warcraft and you spent months fighting evil druid people and now you're going to fight brand new random dark elves that have no previous place in the lore with a couple known bosses thrown in for good measure.

Tomb will have to be 12/10 or this will easily be the shittiest expansion yet.

I just find it highly unlikely that they dropped that low. They were at 5 million at the end of WoD and a new expansion came out relatively recently which would have inflated that so there's no fucking way they've lost 4+ million subs in four months.

>he doesn't have a starter account where he plays 40 hours a week, levelling to 20 then making a new toon

I concur, I find it hard to believe blizz losing that many subs over such a short period of time as well.

>that many subs over such a short period of time as well.
I think this is the problem though. Blizzard counts all of china which are technically subbed but don't pay for a subscription. They also would count tokens.

So in reality it's impossible to judge the population based on subs anymore. People could also be subbed but haven't logged in in a long time. That's why census is important, it only counts actively logged in accounts.

>They were at 5 million at the end of WoD
No they weren't. They reported 5,5m "subs" when they stopped announcing it a full year before the end of WoD, and just after the only major patch of the entire expansion that was barely able to slow down the player bleeding. At the end of WoD they were most likely at around 3m "reportable" subs, ob which around 700k each were Europe and NA, with the others being chinese prepaid cards and taiwanese i-net cafés.

WoW was never that "OMG 10m subs other MMOs go home" behemoth you believe it to. 70-80% of their reported "subs" always were from the eastern regions that had a completely different sub model, and even then it counted those that were active just once in the past 12 months. The part of WoW in the world that actually matters was never that huge to behin with, maybe 1,5m in Europe and NA each. Blizzard has always fudged their reported sub numbers heavily in their favor.

My guess is that WoW will actually hit less than a million active users by the end of Legion, I don't see too many people enduring the artifact+legendary grind.

So what happened?
Werent people digging the actual story progression with people actually dying, and Illidan being some messiah of the Light and new elves etc?

Isn't that like the alexa ranking?

yeah ppl reporting on forums that ques are gone up suddenly. not sure why. i tried to join bg and im still waiting since 20 min to join. is wow finally going to die?

Dropped it like it was hot when I found out most casters are ruined because they now cast from their weapons.

Holy fuck imagine being such a lost cause you have to play wow and use roleplay as a substitute for having a life

The game is old and stale as fuck. Playing any 2016 released game immediately after playing WoW is like jumping 20 years ahead in graphical quality. Comparing something like Ratchet & Clank at 4K to WoW: Legion just feels unfair.

They can't continue forever propping up a game where most of the original development was done in 2001-4, an age when the original Xbox was the height of technical achievement.

World of Starcraft or WoW2 should have come out around 2010-11, when the decline started. Unfortunately we're in the shitty timeline, where Blizzard never released a new MMO and chose to rode WoW into the ground.

>Game still has few million people
>few
I don't know if you can read but it said 1.1 million.
This is of currently subbed people, this isn't accounting for actual active players and not a bunch of inactive accounts waiting for their sub to expire.
In all this game is a hollow shell of its former self, it's pretty much in its death throws now, why do you think everything is going to Overwatch? Even Blizzard knows it's dead and it's time to move on.

Gotta remember some of those are probably inactive or gold farmers.
Desperate Blizz trying to make it seem like there are actual players playing by making them longer in an attempt to go "They're just doing things guys, that is why you aren't seeing them ;^)"

When everyone gets a Legendary, then no one has a Legendary. Just a repeat of the disaster of Cataclysm when Epic quality gear was handed out like candy just to make casuals feel good.

>finally quit after 10 years
hell of a run. I'll have those memories for the rest of my life but I'm glad it's over

a friend of mine got me legion during christmas and i really only play it whenever he ask, after playing wow on and off for like 6 years im kind of done with it in general so im probably just gonna kill my sub

Non WoW player here

Post the oldest picture of WoW you have

Also say what your oldest character is

I just want you all to savor the memories while you can

You guys think the game will ever go f2p? Or will Blizzard hold on to the bitter end with subscriptions and just shut down the servers when it's over?

It's pretty much f2p already isn't it? When they released that token shit I knew that it was over.

Nah I mean true f2p, not have to pay for one months sub and then have to always be grinding gold in order to keep affording the tokens. Not looking for a shitty Archeage experience again.

Well, maybe, but it wouldn't make much sense. Anyone who had even a passing interest has played. We're gonna see legacy servers before we see f2p.

>Cataclysm when Epic quality gear was handed out like candy
>Cataclysm
user, Epic gear was handed out like no tomorrow in Burning Crusade.

The game is a fucking singleplayer game at this point. Iv'e had more social interactions in Dark souls multiplayer.

Is there any way to have hundreds of thousands of people on one server, and not need to have maintenance on it every week? Even WoW is dying and goes down every other day.

Was it to such an extent that after doing a dungeon run you just sold it as junk to vendors? Because the gear wasn't even of actual Epic quality, it had Rare quality stats with a purple coating.

>Was it to such an extent that after doing a dungeon run you just sold it as junk to vendors?
Yes.

>Census

Yeah, cause WoW only had 4.5 mil during the end of WotLK, the peak of it's population.

Census meme needs to die. It uses a bloatware addon for its numbers and has never been close to correct.

Yeah, TEOS online does it.
It's just at this point there's no reason to invest a bunch of time and money into retrofitting the servers, the best they're going to do is the coalesced bullshit where you see people not from your server outside main cities but as soon as you go into the main city it turns into a ghost town and you're reminded of how dead the game actually is.

You'd get one per run from heroics iirc along with some rares outside the last boss loot. Typically that epic was sharded by default past the first month or so of the expansion. Later on that Sunwell-related 5man dropped epics like candy for a heroic.

>people buy subs with in game gold also.

So how many are actually paying for the game>?

I left in WOTLK, but as an outside observer, I thought it was going strong even through Pandaria. But WoD and Legion are basically 'Burning Crusade II and III'.

All of the prior expansions were... distinct? These two are blurry in their purpose/story.

Can anyone who has played for a while chime in, whether you think problems are getting fixed or balance is on the rise, have the last two expansions really helped make the game more colorful, because it really doesn't seem like it?

WoW is literal garbage at this point

Doesn't it only account for NA and EU? Because if so, I don't see the problem. The game's out in Asia and they count those "subs" too except they're not subs as has already been established due to those regions being different in that way.

Also, that's still 3/4 of the subs gone according to the census.

LFR played a big part in that I bet.

You can't make the game more colourful, people want puke green and dark colours.

>WoW will finally go back to being a niche game and normalfags will gtfo

Feels good man.

Don't know why people insist more players=better experience. WOTLK had the most subs and it was the worst fucking expansion.

>WoW currently at lowest player count
>No proof since Blizz don't provide count anymore
>Blizz don't provide count because its lowest it's ever been

Cue current WeW players

>Current WeW is best WeW
>No one wants legacy severs lmao
>Census? not reliable kiddo
>You think you do
>But you don't

>>You think you do
>>But you don't
Oh man that fucking quote, it was probably the first nail in the coffin

nost-fags are worse than RS07 fags

Agreed, vanilla WoW is cancer. More of a TBC / WoTLK guy.

TBC / WOTKL are more like nu-wow than vanilla.

been telling you fuckwits on Sup Forums for ages now, the numbers have been hardcore dwindling, I know a dude that used to work for blizzard until about a year ago and before legion he said that number was actually below a million

dude gives me and his other friends free blizzard shit and i straight turn down wow time, the game has been dead for years

Legendaries feel shit

>Fury warrior
>haven't gotten a single legendary since release
>getting my weekly cache
>get the 5% more damage cloak
>feel nothing

By all means I should be happy, but fuck me I just equipped it, my numbers got bigger and that was it. No satisfaction no nothing.

WoW can't die fast enough.

almost as dead as the rts genre.

How is Nost not an MMO?

What MMO should i play instead? Final fantasy and Nostcucks need not apply

I like to remember the good old days. I have never had, nor is it likely that I will ever have as much fun playing a game as I did wow.

Despite all its flaws, its in the top 10, maybe even top 5 of most generation defining games.

>No king rules forever my son

it used to have 10 times that, before they streamlined everything and made it super causal

Well FFXIV does everything better than WoW so I don't know what to tell you. If you're looking for something different try The Secret World or Return of Reckoning (WAR private server).

>a 12 year old game is still raking in a minimum of $15,000,000 every month

Will anything ever be as successful as WoW was?

Try having 3 utillity legendaries and not even good ones. That just feels even worse.

>1.1 million left according to census

My little user can't be this retarded

Is there anything more depressing than leveling in nuWoW?

Yes

WoW 2

It's equal parts impressive and disgusting how hard Blizzard backed up the sheer amount of RNG that Legion has. Shit, we're into 2017 already and I still don't have any three star herbs and I'm missing at least half my three star crafts from alchemy and cooking.

I actually re subbed randomly about 2 weeks ago. Meh, I'll get to 110, maybe do the first tier.

a lot turn out great but die over time due to a casualized gaming community. unfortunately casuals are in such high numbers that you'd be a retard to not monopolize on them, and truly the only good games are made by devs who truly want to make their dream games which involves minuscule profit unless you can monopolize off past successes before the SJW lib era like Witcher 2's success breeding the fantastic W3

>loved vanilla, thought BC was meh, loved Wrath, hated Cata, mixed feelings on Mists, went out of my way to shit on WoD
>thought Legion would make WoW great again
>fun as fuck at first, racing guildies and friends to 110 and legendaries
>honeymoon period passed
>everyone and their mother got legendaries
>when I finally got mine, it was the Symbiote belt on my rogue
>nothing on my paladin or warrior
>become bitter
>levelled so many characters to 110 I grew bored with the zones
>mythics were too easy until +10, where it just felt like a massive chore
>enjoyed Emerald Nightmare until retarded guild couldnt clear Heroic for a month and a half
>just quit entirely

I feel nothing now. I understand why some will like it still, and I understand why some people will question my opinions, but, I feel empty. I can't enjoy it anymore.

Yea lets ask Blizzard inste- what? O they don't provide numbers anymore because it's doing so shit? Ok....census it is.