Why does Nintendo shit so hard on its audience? They stomp all over non-profitable fan projects (they even shut down someone's Pokemon party FFS), they never listen to what their audience wants (thanks for Fuckeration Force, great game!), they understock hardware to guarantee product sales (which fucks anyone who doesn't purchase early), and they unnecessarily censor games to appeal to an audience that isn't there (seriously the shit they censor is only going to be bought by weebs in the first place). They're turning into the Disney of video games, the fuck went wrong?
>muh copyright defense Don't give me that shit. They may have the RIGHT but doesn't make it an obligatory action, otherwise companies like Valve or Capcom would be out of IPs. Hell, even Sega has been letting up a lot on fan projects, and they used to be the worst. Nintendo is just shooting themselves in the foot by burning bridges with their fans.
Jaxson Rogers
>Pokemon party Are you talking about that bar that used Pokemon images to promote gambling?
Elijah Allen
No, some other bar that held a Pokemon-themed party around PAX time.
Eli Clark
Oh, and I forgot about the Youtube licensing shit that they can basically abuse to gag anyone who says something they don't like about their products.
Caleb White
Other companies IPs and stuff just aren't as valuable, call me when the soldier from TF2 is in the Olympics Games Opening for the US Sega doesn't even have shit to protect
> never listen to what their audience wants Which is why earthbound had been released and mother 3 is coming soon, damn those bastards they never listen.
Censorship is bad, in some cases, but the action is understandable
> turning into the Disney of videogames That's supposed to be an insult or some kind of bad thing?
Jose Rivera
>they never listen to turbo autist fans Thank fuck.
Super Mario Maker is showing what happens when you give control of a game to fans.
Kevin Wilson
Completely false. You can criticize Nintendo all day and even use their footage.
Unless you want to make money off using their footage. Then you can't. Feel free to criticize if that's what you wanna do.
(It isn't, those people just want cash using Nintendo and Nintendo have made it a little more difficult, personally I think it's great but regardless they are completely in their right. I'd like it if other vidya companies did it too so there would be more balance.)
Hunter Reyes
>Why does Nintendo No matter how this question ends, the answer is always the same.
Thomas Sullivan
>mother 3 is coming soon rumors, as usual
shills
Cooper Robinson
nyggers
>otherwise companies like Valve or Capcom would be out of IPs fabrications, typical
James Rodriguez
>They're turning into the Disney of video games Good.
Elijah Torres
>liking disney's ultra-cleansed idealism that shrouds their corporate greed
Nathaniel Wood
I like their products, fuck whatever goes on behind the scenes.
Nicholas Gomez
For the same reason that Blizzard and Bethesda are still in business and are doing great. Fanboys.
No matter what they do, their blind lemmings will still buy the shit out of their games and will defend it no matter how many obvious flaws you are going to present.
They are the true cancer of gaming.
Lucas Young
>muh corporate greed Name something you like and purchase and I can guarantee there's something shady about it.
Juan Roberts
Is not 90's < Disney, it's post 2000 CGI trash Disney
Nicholas White
>le CGI is bad meme
Jordan Hill
This regardless of the child labor or whatever the fuck they have ruining the place, Disneyworld was one of the most memorable experiences of my life.
David Campbell
There's good evidence that Walt Disney was anti-Semitic and I STILL admire him.
Wyatt Richardson
Yeah, let's forget about those cartoons made in flash and shitty sitcoms exist too
Andrew Fisher
I like some of it too, good work comes out of there, but that doesn't mean I blindly support what hides behind the facade.
You can be a cog stuck in the system and still dislike the system.
Eli Mitchell
Made for a different audience than me, so I'm not inclined to comment.
Samuel Stewart
>Why does Nintendo shit so hard on its audience? They're a company selling a product like everyone else.
>fan-projects >artificial scarcity meme >Nintendo has been censoring since the 80s but NOW it's bad meme Oh no.
Julian Campbell
NoA's lawyers have been shoot first ask later since the 80s.
Oliver Lewis
I like how Sega handles fan projects. They let them get released and THEN shut them down. That way once it's out there on the internet there's no stopping it getting shared.
Nintendo should adopt that.
Nicholas Moore
>They're turning into the Disney of video games
That would require them to be an extremely aggressive and competent entertainment company.
Nintendo actually shys away from growth and competition. and has difficulty attracting older audiences, unlike Disney.
Joshua Jones
>Nintendo has been censoring since the 80s but NOW it's bad meme Because societal standards change. It was understandable back then since video games were viewed as a child toy and many japanese cultural memes were misunderstood, changes were needed just to survive and sell without being shot down by parental watchdogs.
Now when they do it it's purely for image, and honestly it makes no sense since the games they sensor are not even aimed at normies. Just another sign of Big N being out-of-touch.
Caleb Foster
>waah, I'm entitled to shit, make me games Nintendo although I'm not even going to buy them, just pirate them. I also don't understand how the buisness world works.
Jaxson Ross
A customer demanding the products they want is not entitled you cuck. That's why you pay for them.
>I also don't understand how the buisness world works.
Neither them considering they can't even sell iPhone apps right
Dominic Scott
>muh entitlement buzzword What I am is disappointed. But fuck it, something else will crop up with time if Nintendo doesn't leap on it. The longer Nintendo goes without making a good Metroid game or Capcom sits idly on the Megaman IP, the more opportunity a competitor has to swoop in and steal the audience.
Parker Allen
>muh waifu petting minigame and scantily clad teenagers Even in this age of the globalised world, there are still huge cultural differences. You might not realise this as you've probably grown up with anime and japanese culture, but some of the content cut in international releases could really be seen borderline weird fetish porn which a major child friendly videogame company does not want to assosiate itself with.
Wyatt Rodriguez
>Super Mario Maker Oh you mean the game that sold like crazy and everyone loved?
Gavin King
The thing I hate the most is their hypocrisy, and how they blatantly dance around words and sayings.
>don't worry guys, we'll never do DLC! That's what amiibos are for! >j/k here's 50 dollars of DLC for smash brothers. Buy it or miss out
>hey don't worry guys, we care about gameplay instead of movies or non-games! >proceeds to make Animal Crossing and publish Xenoblade and Bayonetta aka movies
>don't worry guys we totally care about the customer >proceeds to region lock consoles because they think people will abuse the system on no basis other than their own greed
Noah James
>thinking Nintendo cares what people on a weeaboo porn site think about their games and marketing tactics
Brayden Phillips
Fire Emblem is already a god damn waifu weeb game these days, the audience that game is aimed at knows exactly what they're getting into. The only reason they cleaned it up was to please the shitstain politically correct crowd.
I don't even care about what odd shit they cut from their games, I'm just miffed by censorship by principle. And in this case, it potentially affects their bottom line with bad reputation. No matter what they cover up "censorship" is gonna be viewed as taboo itself, especially in the USA.
Eli Long
There consoles have been shit since the game cube, but my ds flashcart and hacked n3ds, are fun as fuck. Dont understand why their mobile systems get a metric ton of enjoyable rpgs and assorted other genres, while each of their new consoles gets maybe 5 good games and shovelware (wii, wiiu, probabley the switch as well).
Nathan Foster
When did Nintendo say they will "Never do DLC"? Reggie (who is the pres of NoA, mind you, not Nintendo) once said they won't sell unfinished games to give you the rest as DLC, but rather they will always focus on finishing games.
Also, I don't think any Nintendo executive ever said "movies or non-games". >Bayonetta is not about gameplay What is then?
>Xenoblade is a movie I don't think you understand how this meme work.
Hudson Hill
>but rather they will always focus on finishing games. That's even worse, since their games constantly require day 1 patches just to work, AND they cut out content to be sold as DLC before the game is even released.
>Bayonetta is not about gameplay >What is then?
Games that have no focus on the story whatsoever. I'm there to PLAY a game, not watch a damn movie. That means no """games""" with more than an hour of cinematic crutches.
Games like Shovel Knight, Terraria, FTL, and etc. Not cinematic hogwash like Uncharted or Final Fantasy, where they need a massive bloated plot thrown in your face constantly.
Isaiah Parker
Well don't worry pal, we all know the Switch is going to fix that, since it's replacing the WiiU AND the 3DS. :^)
Elijah Sanchez
If you think skippable cutscenes affect gameplay I guess there is no point in arguing with you. Stuff like Uncharted is called movie because major gameplay sections have minimal actual player interaction and become semi-automised in an attempt to present themselves in a cinematic fashion by focussing more on stuff like camera angles. A bulk of completely uninteractive cut scenes is just the cherry on top when a game is called movie. Bayonetta's gameplay very much stands on its own feet. The cutscenes are not crutches, they are a frame.
And what did Nintendo cut out to sell as DLC? What game required a day one patch? Not saying their hands are completely clean, but I can't recall an example.
Your original third point is correct though, region locking is bull.
Adam Brooks
Nintendo knows what's best for you. Get over it.
Jayden Wright
>Bayonetta's gameplay very much stands on its own feet. The cutscenes are not crutches, they are a frame. I'm gonna call BS on that, especially since the first game forced constant quick time events, and the second game had constant use of stupid torture attacks which were glorified cinematics that you couldn't skip, and yo had to actively avoid using them because they ruined the gameplay by taking control away from me at critical moments. None of these things are the signs of a good game. If you took out everything from Bayonetta except the gameplay (that means all story, graphics, sex fanservice, and the CUUHRAZY XD cancer,) nobody would like the game because at its core it's a button masher that occasionally requires you to press different buttons. As someone who grew up with an avid PC, I laugh at how people consider this to be hardcore.
>And what did Nintendo cut out to sell as DLC? Mario Golf, for instance, had tons of this DLC. As did Smash with the new characters like Ryu and Cloud and Bayonetta. They were already ready to go, but Nintendo held them back to be sold later.
>day one Patch Again Smash Brothers.
Jaxon Foster
If you think that's bad, consider the 80s Nintendo that was so ruthless and cutthroat, the law had to step in. They were threatening retailers for stocking competitor games. It sank NEC's console and nearly sank Sega, if it weren't for their luck with the Mega Drive
Xavier Gonzalez
They care about the portion of their audience that ISN'T trying to make a quick buck of someone else's work.
Dominic Nelson
>They stomp all over non-profitable fan projects Except most of the projects they have nuked in the last year are not non-profit.
Landon Allen
>They stomp all over non-profitable fan projects This wouldn't be such a problem if they at least understood how to make a good game in the vein of said IPs. They told us that Metroid isn't supposed to be a single player game, and then forced us to shovel multiplayer trash down our gullets.
And they had the gall to call us entitled when we said no. THAT is worse than any DMCA.
Cameron Sanchez
>don't worry guys, we'll never do DLC! That's what amiibos are for!
Wait, they actually said that? We'll never do DLC, that's why we have on-disc DLC locked to toys?
Adam Brooks
why is Sup Forums trying to meme nintendo into failure? we arent Sup Forums, we dont have meme magic
Justin Ramirez
>fuckeration force i giggled
FUCKERONI'S PALACE YES A MASTA-PIS SHIT BOYS 3D OH MAI GAWD
Joshua Cook
ryu was found on disc with roy, both incomplete. they were released as soon as they were ready along with lucas. same for cloud and bayonetta. the characters were still being changed to have somewhat reasonable balance in casual play. these characters were not found in the files for day one, only removed characters that evidence was found for was rhythm heaven (which never appeared). they were found in june.
Dylan Barnes
If you think Bayonetta is a button masher you either play on lower difficulties or don't care about your rating. The combat gives you tons of options. Yeah, the torture attacks can be annoying, but they are just finishers after a fight that you actually had to play. I guess Bayonetta's relative mainstream popularity is owed to the fact that it can also be played on a lower difficulty as a flashy button masher a la BamHam. But below the surface Bayo is much more than that. I encourage you to replay it with this in mind.
>Mario Golf Huh. Didn't know that.
Otherwise, how do you know these other characters in Smash were finished before release?
>Smash had a day 1 patch Alright, that is one game. Can you name another? You said "their games" after all.
Alexander Watson
this is the same company that tried to kill video game rentals. whadya expect.
Ian Davis
Why do they cost money then? The point of amiibos was that we wouldn't have to worry about DLC. Nintendo can't just have both and expect me to pay for them.
>you don't care about your rating Why would I? If the game isn't fun, then MUH HIGH SCORE isn't gonna improve that.
>But below the surface Bayo is much more than that. If that was true it wouldn't try and prop itself up with all those unnecessary crutches. I would never ask a man who uses crutches to run a marathon.
>Otherwise, how do you know these other characters in Smash were finished before release? The fact that Bayonetta was finished so quickly after the poll, for instance. As if the poll meant nothing and was just there to tease.
>Alright, that is one game. Can you name another? You said "their games" after all. Splatoon also had a similar issue because of the damn servers not working. OH, and let's not forget Pokken Tournament needing one as well.
>Nintendo optimizes their games and they're not like those dumb evil greedy companies! they always release their games finished and without problems!
Hah, that's a laugh riot.
Jacob Adams
That is how Nintendo does it though
Justin Parker
The game is fun because in order to achieve the high score you have to get good and tap into the potential that the gameplay offers you.
You could also cheese your way through Shovel Knight and call it unengaging, but then you kinda miss the point of the game.
And yeah, you're right about Splatoon. Forgot about that.
But that the Smash chars being finished before release is just speculation on your side, that that other user made a compelling argument against. The poll was bullshit, but that doesn't mean they finished Bayo in 2014.
>that last bit Stop attacking strawmen please.
Nathan Reed
They've been around longer than most and have the fanboys and now fanbigrls telling them they can do no wrong.
Japs can't be told they're wrong by any non japs.
Thomas Martinez
>the game is fun Nothing but a buzzword unfortunately. It's an opinion that can't be backed up, and worse yet, without "Scores" there's no reason to want to improve in the game, as the game gives you no incentive.
>You could also cheese your way through Shovel Knight and call it unengaging At least shovel knight is pure gameplay. At no point do I have to sit down and painfully try and skip a 5 hour cutscene, or listen to drama and muh feelings, or deal with unpleasant pace-destroying quick time events.
>Stop attacking strawmen please. If only it was a strawman. The sheer anger directed at people ITT for criticizing Nintendo makes my example look tame in comparison.
Kayden Hughes
I think he's talking about the quality of Mario Maker levels.
Cooper Russell
>Huh. Didn't know that.
Ignore the nonsense about Mario Golfs DLC, the game is normally $5 less than a typical 3DS gsme has the most courses of any Mario Golf game even before DLC. The DLC is reasonably priced and offers enough content to give the game as many courses as the GBA and GC game combined.
