Did they not learn a single thing from the Wii U?
All they had to do was make a traditional console with decent hardware at a lower price point than the PS4 and emphasize that it's not intended to compete with that, but rather, play the first party games and eclectic third party games you expect on a Nintendo console.
Instead it's another overpriced underpowered gimmick machine with expensive controllers that jack up the price, and the graphical fidelity of a Wii U. And NO FUCKING GAMES.
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Clearly not and this time it's got paid online.
It already has more games than PS4. And if you want great graphics, build a PC.
Doesn't it only have like 3 launch games? lol
That's 3 more than any other console this gen.
It has five launch games. One of which has fucking micro transactions.
Wii U did poorly due to its terrible name and the worst marketing imaginable.
Switch will do better purely on the fact that moms won't think that it's a Wii addon this time around. Probably won't beat the competition though.
or even made hardware very similar, gotten multiplats, and murdered sony and microsoft with their dozens of IPs
who gives a fuck about graphics
I'm more pissed at the framerate hit that happens when you take the console off the dock
Really hesitant with super bomberman as the "story mode" boss battles took place in what looked like multiplayer arena and settings.
Hoping its more in line with bomberman generations and that the creative risk is a sign of more things to come. Really doubt it though
Which title has micro transactions?
The console really doesn't matter, it's always been about the games. Plus they don't need to win the console war to make a good profit.
As long as they have a lot of exclusives and they are good it will be a success.
I will say though, I do not get the feeling that Nintendo are very confident in the switch at all. Normally a company will eat a loss on console sales to make a killing off the games, the price of the console is higher than most expected.
The unveiling has honestly reminded me of the DS. People hated on that thing like crazy, claiming PSP would kill Nintendo. And hell, they actually have games coming out for this soon besides Nintendogs and Mario 64 worse edition.
It'll end up doing alright, but it's more handheld than console. $300 ain't cheap but the inferior 3DS was $250.
Is the switch basically wii-u hardware in a different case? Have we been rused?
What kind of people would seriously not forsee that coming, its a fucking tablet, of course its going to perform worse without a power source.
No, it's a failed Nvidia chip that no one else in the entire industry wanted to touch with a 10 foot pole.
>NDS has games at launch
>NDS is not 299
Keep comparing it to the Switch though, or inb4 you uses the ye olde "botw alone is better than having 10 titles!" argument
Bummer, man.
>paid online
>oh, but to compete with PS4 and Xbox we should give out monthly free games too!
>Except we'll take them away after a month to make them BUY the games!
>We'll be RICH!!!
yeah, fuck off Nintendo
Did you just go into super retard mode or are you selectively blind?
Name 3 games that aren't Bloodborne
Uncharted
Last guardian
Horizon
>Wii U did poorly due to its terrible name and the worst marketing imaginable.
Because the Switch is a lot better in these regards, right?
>reddit.com
Miyamoto thinks the price was the biggest problem. And the Switch is launching at exactly the same price. So yeah, they haven't learned a single fucking thing from the Wii U except how to repeat past mistakes
It's different hardware but roughly as powerful
The Switch is basically what they wanted the Wii U to be: a portable HD Wii, but the technology for that level of graphics wasn't available when the Wii U launched
It's kind of like the original 3DS was supposed to have the eye-tracking but it was cut from the final product because it was too expensive. Then it shows up later in the New 3DS as what the 3DS was supposed to be from the start.
The Switch is basically the New Wii U. They just renamed it
Are you just dudebro? None of those are even remotely good... and Horizon isn't out... still.
>All they had to do was make a traditional console
No thanks
> at a lower price point than the PS4 and emphasize that it's not intended to compete with that
It is competing with both Sony and Microsoft, you stupid retard.
>And NO FUCKING GAMES
All the games look better than what's on the PS4.
You're fucking retarded. Their mobile line in Japan make up a ton of their hardware sales. They'd essentially be giving that up if they listened to you. With 3DS series like SMT and Fire Emblem heading over to Switch, it'll take over 3DS' dominance in Japan.
they wont ever make a traditional console unless their philosophy changes. Nintendo is all about innovating and creating new/different/unique gameplay, and eschews traditional controller gameplay.
here's a good breakdown of what I mean: youtube.com
>inb4 stop shilling your youtube, cuck
Ratchet and clank.
And no I'm not. I play weeb shit on 3ds.
At least the mario game looks like the best thing we've seen since 64
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No literally all they had to do was have a launch line up. It was always gonna be underpowered. It was always going to be overpriced. But a solid launch line up could salvage it. Instead we get 3 fucking games worth a damn(and only one that's even actually worth buying full price) and a "maybe later" on the rest of their games.
>Dudebro
Not him, but Dudebros do not give a shit about Last Guardian.
I can smell the distinct autistic Nintendo mega fan smell from here.
>name games
>haha! none of them have the prestigious Nintendo seal of approval so therefore they might as well not exist!
What the fuck is wrong with Nintendo?
>Zelda switch version has mild frame problems
>runs exactly the same as Wiig version
>is the only launch game with buying
>isn't a console exclusive
>literally can play it for 0$ vs 400$
So uh, great launch huh...
Might as well milk the drones for all they're worth.
>oh, but to compete with PS4 and Xbox we should give out monthly free games too!
and they're old as fuck games you can find ROMs of in 10 seconds
kek
I get that they're going after the old Wii crowd (t-t-tablets are hot right now right guys?) but that ship as fucking sailed.
the Switch offers very little of the novelty of the original Wii, the ultra casual crowd has largely moved on to other things and it's pretty fucking obvious that the console is still underpowered as shit and likely won't be getting many multiplatform releases.
I just don't get who's the target audience. Who are these people that scoffed at the Wii U but are now super excited about the possibility of buying a $300 tablet to play last gen games? because Nintendo apparently believes they're out there in the millions
Not to mention VC games are inferior to any other platform.
Bad taste user
nobody gives a shit about last framerate
iPhone gaming is super huge in Japan (because like usual they're a decade behind the times) but somehow I doubt this is going to cannibalize the iPhone market.
Nintendo used to be that cool guy who was in with the loser crowd (the geeks, the autists, weird people). They made games that they could enjoy in all their squeaky clean childlike ways.
But most of it's older fans have grown up and stabilized into normal people. The ones who don't occupy "normal" lives have otherwise moved on to other games and platforms that show more depth than the kind Nintendo has to offer.
Meanwhile, today's young adults don't really see themselves as belonging to archaic cliques and have evolved into a more complex arrangement of intersectional groups. There aren't really any real gamers anymore.
People that used to see Nintendo as a source of wild imagination have largely given up on their same old bag of tricks for every game. They woke up to how lame and lacking in edge their more recent really are.*
So what you're left with is a Nintendo who is just money hungry but also desperate to hang on to what little is left to it's legacy. It leads to stuff like the Wii U and then this turd that's stuck between the iPhone and the Xbox. You can practically hear the sounds of Nintendo's knees crawling on the floor begging the market (and the audience) for cash if he can just figure out what it is The Kids™ like today.
The Wii & Wii U weren't good. This, however, is just sad.
Gundam breaker 3
Gundam extreme versus in fall
Gravity rush 2
Nier automata
Gran turismo sport
Final fantasy XV (I keep hearing a lot of hate for it but as someone who hated old final fantasy games I think it looks great)
Miku games
Plus the obvious plethora of other third party games NOT on the switch.
Your move.
>inb4 drones say all these games are shit like the dregs out of nintendos ass are any better
> (OP)
>Nintendo is all about innovating and creating new/different/unique gameplay, and eschews traditional controller gameplay.
yeah Mario game no. 300 is awesome and innovative.
and don't forget that all the games with other Mario characters as the protagonist are completely NEW and not at all exactly like Mario because they have x gameplay gimmick!
Sick trump meme user.
But you and I both know any game mentioned would instigate the same response.
Nintendo will never fucking learn. The company will fold before they understand what modern gaming is. They've been baffled by it since before the GameCube.
>nintentoddler
>taking a piss on hardware
how about them jaggies on Mario'17?
They should have waited for the X2.
>Nintendo is all about innovating and creating new/different/unique gameplay, and eschews traditional controller gameplay.
this wasn't a defining feature of the company until they struck gold with the Wiimote.
that was 11 fucking years ago. they should get their shit together and just make a fucking console with decent hardware capable of running multiplats and strong first party games.
>Did they not learn a single thing from the Wii U?
Yeah they did.
They learned that marketing sells more than content.
Oh look. It worked.
you didn't watch the video, did you user?
every mario game brings something new to the table. 64 brought the first 3D world. Sunshine brought the water and highly developed jump mechanics. Galaxy refined it even more and added other shit (i dont recall exactly, havennt played it in a while).
nintendo doesn't put out a game unless it builds or innovates previous mechanics
Yeah, it's fucked up and the only people I know who are remotely excited are Nintendo fans who skipped out on the Wii U and suddenly have stumbled upon a reasonable amount of discretionary income.
As a Nintendo fan, I'm amazed they weren't able to sway me. During the presentation, I was pretty excited, but then I realized that the only exclusive worth a shit comes out for the Holidays, and the rest could be years off.
I might get one eventually because I'm a slut for jrpgs, but there's no way I could justify the purchase for a few years.
>doing that for 11 years now
>not a defining feature of the company.
you must have totally missed what I said. unless they change the way they approach games they will never release a standard console or have (many) multiplats
>mfw Super Mario Odyssey adds a cap with eyes and the uncanny valley
Great innovation guys!
water levels existed before, as did 3d games, good jump mechanics. hell, platformers existed before jumpman.
Nintendo likes to believe it innovates, it simply follows what it believes to be a trend. that's why they made the switch, they thought they could appeal to the mobile gaming crowd.
>cherry picking a game that isnt even out yet
shit user, we don't even know how it plays, get a grip
innovative is not the same as gimmicky.
CD drives were innovative. motion controllers, 3D, etc. aren't.
they're not reinventing gaming with their bullshit, they're just ruining good games with their retarded control schemes.
>fucking Mario Galaxy forcing me to use the Wiimote
>Nintendo likes to believe it innovates
That's because they do. It's almost like you retards can't support your arguments ;)
1-2 Switch, Skylanders, Just Dance... PS4 BTFO
it wasn't. the N64 didn't innovate because it had 3D graphics, that was just the industry standard at that point you moron.
I'm not big on the waggle gimmicks either. still reinforces my point, unless Nintendo believes they are innovating, they aren't going to put a new a game or system out. Doesn't matter if its actually an innovation
list Nintendo "innovations" that they did before anyone else.
anyone who still thinks this is a fucking retard, i'm not even joking.
If you make an identical console you're fighting for the same market share and not bringing in anyone new. Now think about all your retarded friends that own ps4s and xbones and think how many would switch to a nintendo console next gen, or even buy one now mid-gen for no fucking reason.
That demographics doesn't give a shit about mario or zelda, they're casuals that only play fifa and cod.
This board loves to praise BB but the truth is it's a commercial failure that didn't sell 2 million units, and 40% of people who bought it didn't kill the first fucking boss. It's literally a meme game. You can't sell these games to these morons.
>Galaxy refined it even more
Galaxy gimped the movement options from Sunshine, but I see what you're getting at.
Still even though this new mario game looks fun, it doesn't look like it's innovating the series in any way, shape, or form.
so you don't think 64 innovated and built on previous mario games? as we have seen nintendo doesnt really pay attention to the industry
The Switch doesn't have any Launch titles.
Have of the shit they showed yesterday isn't going to be out for months after its release.
Zelda is on the Wii U. It's no an exclusive.
1, 2 Switch is basically a tech demo.
It should instead say "How? ...Just Make America Great Again" at the end.
Nintendo doesn't make traditional consoles anymore and they haven't since the NDS.
It's part of their appeal, and one way or the other it injects fresh ideas into an otherwise stagnating industry.
>they're casuals that only play fifa and cod.
Because Mario and Zelda are so hardcore right?
>B-b-but we invented the analog stick
First to have analog stick
They started rumble feature with the rumble pack
only time will tell. I would assume it does something to change the formula up, but we wont really know until it gets released
>And the Switch is launching at exactly the same price
There's this little thing called inflation
point is that 'innovation' wasn't their primary concern up until the Wii. there's no bigger proof than the GC.
much more than fifa, asscreed and cod, yes. Learn the definition of the word hardcore, faggot.
Do you realize that the PS4 had LITERALLY no games until Bloodborne, which was released almost a full year and a half after launch? And pretending the fact that the Zelda has a shit port on the old console someone negates that it's a launch title is a pretty ebin memerino.
joysticks existed before, not sure about rumble though.
that's a pretty amazing list you have there, considering you said my argument was bullshit and you believe Nintendo is actually innovative.
>LITERALLY
Stop this meme
that's fair, that wasn't really my point. They were the leader in the industry up until the gamecube though, so I doubt they felt the need to be different like they do now.
my point is that due to how they are right now, we wont ever see a standard console with multiplats like everyone wants, unless their whole philosophy changes
maybe fifa but that's it, you should stop using words if you don't know what they mean
>I don't know the Nintendo cycle
There's also this little thing called specs and when your 2017 hardware isn't much more powerful than your 2012 hardware (which wasn't much more powerful than your competitor's 2006 hardware), you really shouldn't be charging the same price for it because it sure as hell isn't costing that much to make. You're just ripping people off with exorbitant profit margins.
While the GCN itself didn't add much in the way of innovation, what they did with it sure did. GBA to GCN link games were pretty sweet.
Oh man.
Let me give you a hint, hardcore=/="mature games for mature gamers such as myself"
Asscreed and CoD are literally the most casual game series of the past generations and denying this just shows how ignorant you are about what you're talking about.
"hardcore" describes people who take gaming more seriously and are bound to buy more games in more diverse genres. People who play zelda games are much more likely to also play many other titles, whereas there are literally million of people who play cod, asscreed and fifa and nothing else.
All they need to do is make a tradional console and then say we are not competing against the traditional console.
Yea, good thing you dont work in marketing.
>BB is a commercial failure because it didn't sell 2M units
How much did it cost to make and how much was spent on marketing? How much money overall it did with digital sales and DLC?
Around that time Sony was airing commercials of the order 1886 on Superbowl and it flopped in glorious fashion while Bloodborne sold exactly what they expected with little marketing.
People think that just because a game makes 5M sales it's successful when they are no fucking clue how much was invested in it.
>already has more games the ps4
Can you count?
sorry but >2mil on 50mil install base is pathetic.
I fucking love that game but my point is that selling niche titles isn't easy.
>What is NoGames shitposting
Paid online is the biggest deal breaker for me. I will NEVER submit to that shit ever again. I could justify buying a wii U but I cannot and will not justify this.
> hardcore=/="mature games for mature gamers such as myself"
Good thing I never said that. Mario games have been casual baby shit ever since Galaxy at least and Zelda has been casual since alttp.
>"hardcore" describes people
Except you weren't using it to describe people were you numbnuts. Try having a shred of self-awareness before trying to pretend you're not a knuckle-dragging retard.
Nobody actually gives a shit about framerates. They didn't when F-Zero X was spouting 60 and they don't now.
I forgot to add: This is coming from an autist that bought around 25 amiibos.
NO DUDE BUT YOU CAN SHAKE ICE CUBES IN A GLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN'T DO THAT ON SHITSTATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It has Just Dance, Skylanders, a wii u port, a motion control gimmick "game" that should be in the box for free, and Bomberman.
It is quite literally a worse launch than the PS4, and I thought it was horrible. At least there were games other than fucking Just Dance and Happy Meal Toy Reader.
casuals play casual games. I'm sorry you didn't have the brain power to figure that out, truly.
Oh and you also used "casual" to describe difficulty in your little pathetic post. Which is wrong as fuck, btw, but I didn't expect any better from you.
GG you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and i'm done with you
>I-I'm right you're wrong dont respond
excellent argument, because Mario and Zelda are known for having a fanbase consisting of mostly hardcore gamers