Is there any RPGs or any games for that matter where you don't play the role of "muh tagtag group of rebels who join...

Is there any RPGs or any games for that matter where you don't play the role of "muh tagtag group of rebels who join forces to defeat le evil empire with the power of friendship". I want to play as the kingdom or empire establishing dominance over my subjects or putting down a rebellion, or even creating an empire from scratch to rule the land. Any games like this that is not SW:TOR? Any setting , RPG preferrable

Try Tyranny.

Don't pay for it (yet). After you finish it you'll see why.

Tyranny
You start working for the Evil Empire, and it gives you the option of siding with the rebels, or staying loyal to the Empire.

nice, something like that is what i was looking for. little expensive though but i might try it out

For unconventional JRPG protags, try Saga Frontier 2, one of the protagonists is a failure of a successor who gets abandoned and then retakes a massive amount of land, founds a successful kingdom, and kills half his family almost entirely out of spite; nothing righteous about it other than how badass he is.

The other side of the game is more about treasure hunting shenanigans.

If you try it, pirate first and then wait to buy on sale or something.

Without spoiling much, the ending pretty much implicates that a major expansion or direct sequel is coming at some point. It ends on an absolute cliffhanger with a lot of bullshit looking like it's about to go down.

yea i just started downloading a GOG torrent. sounds pretty interesting

Fucken Mount & Blade.

came here to post this

I thought that was like a sandbox game with pretty much no story?

The DLCs have story, but yes the default gamemode is a rpg/sandbox thing.

dungeon keeper, you are the ancient evil that awakened

there was another one where you play as the evil big guy and command your goblins to fuck shit up (but you could also play the moralfag way)

chicago 1930 (or whatever was called) is an extremely garbage commandos clone where you try to take over chicago with your gang, also had the police route where you take back the city from mafia

in arcanum you can side with the bad guy at the end and instead of him the final boss are the moralfag party members you have with you at the moment

Story is what you make of it. Go fight tournaments, get outcasts and rape & plunder villages, make a trading caravan, go be a soldier in a nobleman's army.

I don't think it's what OP is looking for. Like said, it's more focused on being a sandbox for large battles and empire building with RPG elements than your typical story/character driven RPG.

>go be a soldier in a nobleman's army.
You need Floris mod to simulate this.

yea i was looking for something more story driven, i might try it tho

M&B is all about the mods anyway, Native feels very hollow to me.

I am not even joking.

He defeats the big evil demon with the power of his hyper weapon though.

If you want to be the tyrant, don't waste your time with Tyranny.
You either support lawful stupid MUH HONOR fags or literal psychopaths that only care about rape unless you side with the rebels and become a generic good guy

Rance conquers all with his hyper weapon. What's your point?

Though, Kichikuou would probably be a better fit for OP's request.

This game is exactly what you're looking for.

is it lewd?

VtMB

OP's image makes me think of Freedom Fighters

Pure as mountain snow.

Tom Clancy's the Division.

You gun down escaped convicts, rogue PMCs, and a bunch of former cops and firefighters in the name of reasserting the continuity of the lawful government.

Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together

It doesn't have that feeling of directly controlling your territory, but it scratches that itch of having kingdoms and politics being the drive behind the game's story.

Crusader Kings 2. Nothing better for crushing rebels, assassinating rivals, purging infidels and banging courtiers.

Crusader Kings 2. Aside from being an incest simulator it's also amoral sociopathic despot simulator.

In a normal playthrough you'll build a throne on the carcasses of dead children and peasants, exploit the jews, oppress other cultures and religions, lie, fuck, murder, kidnap, and war your way to the top of medieval society. 10/10.

> GAMES WHERE YOU DON'T WIN WITH THEORY POWER OF FRIENDSHIP, LOL
chrono cross
Xenogears
Suikoden 1,2,3. Pretty sure 5.
Breath of fire
Final fantasy Tactics
In fact, most final fantasies. Fuck it, youre obviously another casual. Theres a difference between a reliance on a party to help you through the task (which is 90% of wrpgs and jrpgs) and the literal materialization of friendship and social bonds (Earthbound, undertale, persona, some tales games). Play more games unless you're strictly looking for sole protagonist rpgs.

New Vegas
Especially with Sneering Imperialist

>Forgetting SMT
You literally kill your friends to proceed.

More like games where you don't fight le ebil empire.

Stroking a hateboner for tribals is not kingdom building

Don't forget the extensive work in securing alliances and stopping/fueling rebellions for the major factions
Sneering Imperialist just helps with it

Persona isn't as "power of friendship" as you'd think, P2 is all about the dangers of obsessive reliance on others and inability to let go of your friendships.

>implying most people even know there were personas before 3

Overlord 2

I didn't play the first one, but Overlord 2 is good shit

>your son is fucking your wife
>they plot to have you killed
>throw them in the oubliette

Cuck me? Fuck you!

Galactic Civilizations II

>4x
>can be a peaceful economic race
>or you can be a galactic menace, destroying every other race that you can on your way to complete dominance

It would be a strange mix to have something like a traditional rpg. Where there is usually a character building depth, mixed with some kind of kingdom building management. Drop the rpg and play crusader kings or something.

>Yfw you realize those "heroic rebels" are more than likely seen as terrorists and violent extremists by the average person currently living under Imperial rule at the time

It would be like (and I'm sorry for the political derailment that will most likely ensue as a result of this post) a group of far-right/far-left/whatever extremists storming the white house after years of planning, killing the President, VP, and most of congress, and announcing that a new government is going to form under them.

Normally it's the military who pulls off the coups since they'll just put down any insurrection that occurs outside of their own.

But yeah the whole heroic rebel thing is terrorist self-delusion personified.

>Normally it's the military who pulls off the coups since they'll just put down any insurrection that occurs outside of their own.

That makes it even more terrifying to be honest.

The difference between freedom fighters and terrorists is if you agree with them or not
Pretty sure in New Vegas they straight up call you a terrorist if you oppose the NCR

Well yeah.

I think it normally turns out okay, though. I mean the military are usually the last guys you piss off - since they're, you know, extremely dangerous, and if you as a government manage to piss off your military they'd probably do a better job at running the country than you world.

Sometimes it goes extremely badly, they butcher everyone and run the place as a degrading dictatorship for decades while electing more and more deranged rulers.

It's a crapshoot, really.

Are you implying that there are no bad governments whatsoever?

Age of Decadence.

>sneering imperialist
>which gives dialouge aproximately 3 times in the entire game + DLCs

i want to like it user but they just didnt write enough for it

I'm saying that IRL, most of these "heroic rebels" you see in film and vidya would be seen as being something more akin to terrorists and lunatics.

Example: Star Wars. When Palpatine was defeated and the 2nd Death Star was destroyed, do you think everyone suddenly decided "Okay, I'm going to now give my undying allegiance to the rebellion, which has been fighting the Empire for years now"? After the Emperor's death, there was a massive power struggle which ultimately resulted in the New Galactic Republic being formed. While we, the audience, sees the death of Palpatine as a good thing because he was a Sith Lord, you have to stop and ask: What exactly did the Empire do that made them "evil"? Hunt down a bunch of rebels who were bringing instability to an otherwise peaceful galaxy? Rise from the ashes of the old Republic, which was littered with corruption and was on its last legs by the time Palpatine became Supreme Chancellor? When you think about it, the Empire may have been flawed and sometimes brutal in its methods, but it helped keep the galaxy safe, which was enough for most people to see them as the protectors of the galaxy, or at the very least a necessary evil.

Now, imagine if, instead of the Galactic Empire vs the Rebellion, it was something like, say, the United States of America vs a bunch of armed rebels. Imagine if those rebels managed to infiltrate a US military base and managed to blow it all up, like how Luke did with the Death Star. Would we be cheering for these heroic rebels, because they had managed to deal a blow to the big bad government and so they must be fighting for our freedom from the shackles of tyranny? Or would we be calling it a tragedy, and demanding that these rebels be found and brought to justice for what they've done?

Like said, the difference between "freedom fighter" and "terrorist" is whether you agree with them or not.

>Example: Star Wars
Make another example, I never gave a shit about SW.

>the difference between "freedom fighter" and "terrorist" is whether you agree with them or not.
Only to a certain extent, and only if both parties are "gray" unlike in shitty JRPGs where one of the parties is clearly full on evil.

I'm having fun with Expedition: Conquistador. You can play as a Spaniard who conquers the new world in the name of Spain. You do it by exploiting the conflicts between the native peoples, causing a civil war, and then backstabbing the winning side after the kill the Aztecs/Totonacs.

So basically instead of a ragtag group of revels joining forces to defeat an empire, you're a handpicked group of explorers joining forces to support an empire.

Overlord series.. Sure, Its a bit goofy, but you have your fair share of fun, and you can act as your tyrannical self to fullest extent.

new vegas
any fallout for that matter
vampire the masquerades bloodline

You can also be a hippy and not backstab the winning side, so Spain and them can be allied nations instead. Depending on how you feel about the Aztecs, it's basically you propping up an evil Empire instead of defeating it.

Whoa there, edgy Alt-reicher, you're a few boards out of your designated containment zone, I'm gonna need you to go back where degenerates like you belong.

hid dick right? he fucks everybody in the ass, at least thats the feeling that I got from the 2 hours that I played

Dungeon maker 2
Oh why did God put me here
Little King empire
Final Fantasy empire

>supporting heathens as equals
>heathens
>human sacrifices
>HEATHENS

Her Majesty is not amused. Why does Spain have such a shitty reputation anyway? We should be thanking them for being pious Catholics and protecting Europe from barbarians. And they had some based female rulers who got shit done.

There is also a 3rd faction called the Totonacs who don't seem as cruel as the Aztecs, but I don't know much about them. I don't know much history about it, but from what I understood, part of what helped the Spainards win against the Aztecs is that other native groups didn't particularly like having the Aztecs sacrifice them to their sun god, and were more than happy to help the Spainards get rid of them.

In the actual game, most natives know very little about Spain, only being aware of it because of your presence and a previous explorer who's expedition turned out to be disastrous. Besides the natives, most of the cast are Spaniards who are unsurprisingly very supportive of Spain.