Is constant 60fps really important in all games?
Zelda (3D) has always been 20-30 and despite this OOT is universally considered to be one of the best games of all time. Like....I can understand 60fps is better for shooters like Splatoon but for a game that doesn't require fast reflexes?
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30fps is objectively worse than 60 but it's not unplayable like some cancerous retards say.
Constant framerate is important because fluctuations are a hindrance to gameplay and easily noticeable so they break immersion. For me anything below 50 looks stuttery and choppy.
No. The 60fps meme didn't begin until a certain cancerous youtuber invented it, couple that with autists taking the PC masterrace meme at total face value and you have a recipe for pure annoying autism.
OoT is shit and aged horribly. No one outside Nintendo echo chamber considers it good.
t. underage who played it in an emulator and couldn't figure out how to get to the first dungeon
60fps > stable 30fps > unstable 60fps > anything else
also resolution+quality > fps
This sounds like a retarded thing to say.
It depends heavily on the game.
Skyrim? 30fps is still playable.
Fast-paced games and shooters? 30fps will be practically unplayable.
>Resolution+quality>fps
Enjoy your powerpoint.
this
I can handle a stable 30fps in anything that's not a shooter, though I would prefer a nice smooth 60
why does that thing looks like a fucking machine doll?
Are you that kind of person who maxes out Witcher 3 with a scizophrenic framerate and goes "there, now I'm the master race"?
Order of importance
>60+fps stable
>sub60 fps stable
If your game isnt 60fps, or if it cant keep a consistent framerate, its anus.
30 no dips is better than 60 but frame jitterfucks.
Consequently you better both plan and reach your fps target before designing the game. Most modern shitfps games are shit because their mechanics are designed around the concept that the game had a better framerate earlier in development, no longer condicive to quick reactions or fast analysis of the game state, ballooning difficulty and frustration.
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when I said resolution+quality > fps I was refering to 4k 60hz > 1440p 144hz
144hz or anything higher than 60hz has less compatibility compared to just increasing the resolution and have a higher quality display panel. stupid fucks, I swear.
your eyes capture fluid movement at 23fps and your eyes scarcely discriminate over 28 fps.
people crying for more then 30 are spooks
weak bait
That's completely different from what you said, stupid fuck
you have a very low level of comprehension
144hz having lower compatibility than 60hz is completely different prioritizing resolution over fps. What you said is the equivalent of picking 4K over high framerate on a PS4 Pro
No it's not you fucking idiot. That's the basics in animation rendering.
Take Notepad ++ create yourself a basic webpage with a canvas. Make yourself an .js script and test it out.
You can demonstrate it to yourself very easily by declaring a timer and recalling your draw function at 23 fps while changing the x or y value at every iteration of the counter.
what the fuck are you even talking about
I can tell the difference between different framerates, like everybody else on the planet who has eyes
I'd say in general stability > high framerate
Everyone mocks OoT and MM for being 25fps, but that framerate is stable and the game built around it, everything's smooth so the actual fps becomes a non-issue
Pick Dark Souls on the other hand, it fets visibly annoying when the fps suddenly drop just for entering a specific area, the flow of the game is suddenly interrupted and it could even bring gameplay problems since the combat's built around precision and timing
BotW, the Switch version will be superior to the Wii U's because stable 30fps are better than 30fps with constant drops
>OOT is universally considered to be one of the best games of all time
Am I posting on a board full of literal children, or is it just a bunch of manchildren that play final fantasy and/or think cinematic shooters are high quality art?
probably
I've literally never played a zelda game and consider anyone that regards them as the best games ever made to be children
>practically unplayable
So action games and shootersalways had 60frames per second?
I'm pretty sure DmC on my Ps2 didn't have 60 fps
Halo CE or Quake III/UT didn't have 60 fps
>I'm pretty sure DmC on my Ps2 didn't have 60 fps
Yes it did, my man.
>what the fuck are you even talking about
you called me a weak bait, I proceeded to demonstrate that you are wrong and that my claims are true and demonstrable.
>I can tell the difference between different frame rates, like everybody else on the planet who has eyes
how does that have anything to do about what is the preferable frame rate or the statement that I post weak baits?
By the way, having eyes do not mean a person can capture movement you fucking ableist.
>Is constant 60fps really important in all games?
In all games? No. There's games that don't require precise inputs. Stuff like rhythm games, fighting games, shooters or strategy games usually need at least 60 fps though. Action games have obvious benefits aswell, but slower paced games like puzzle games, walking sims or even story driven third person shooters are okay in 30 fps.
It's preferable. However if the game ends up being stable at 30, it's fine. When its 30 with noticeable dips, that's never okay.
For me 60fps is essential when using a mouse and keyboard but I don't mind 30 on a controller
That being said I would still choose 60fps over pretty graphics any day
Well my point still stands. 30FPS is not practically unplayable. That's exaggerated. It's beneficial but not crucial.
>expecting people to just make up a whole fucking webpage in fucking javascript just to prove your point
>being this much of a little bitch
>pretend to speak for everybody
>thinking everyone knows what javascript is
>thinking everyone knows how to make a fps demo in javascript
>not just doing it yourself
I can tell 30fps from 60fps, your bullshit about eyes having a fps limit is wrong
60fps > 30fps
but
Stable 30fps > janky 60fps
60fps was the norm until the PS1 and N64 era.
yes, you dumb cuck (shill)
There let me do it for you, on your side all you have to do is mess around with the fps variable:
var canvas = document.getElementById('canvas');
var context = canvas.getContext('2d');
var start = 0;
var fps = 23;
function transformCircle(ctx, start){
ctx.beginPath();
ctx.arc(start,75,50,0,2*Math.PI);
ctx.stroke();
}
var myTimer=setInterval(function(){
transformCircle(ctx,start);
start++;
},fps);
fucking W101
>having a fps limit is wrong
not my claims, but actually your eye do have a limited ability to perceive frames of movement lol. Can you see light? or something going at the speed of light?
>but actually your eye do have a limited ability to perceive frames of movement
then why do 30/60/120/144 all look different?
>lol
don't talk like a fag
>Can you see light?
It makes the movement look better if it's faster, so not so much for zelda, but that said, BoTW is 60 frames, so it's covered anyways
That has to do with how CRT work with refresh rates. 3D is such a different thing than pixel and cause the frame rate to take a hit.
have they made a wii u version?
60fps is ALWAYS better but if the game is good enough you wont notice a lower framerate (as long as it's stable).
There was a Switch and Wii U framerate comparison that I couldn't find right now, but it's out there
Switch is 30fps 900p, Wii U is "30fps" 720p, it averages 30 but there are drops
>Quake III/UT didn't have 60 fps
what the hell are you smoking
>why do blacks and whites look different but I treat them the same.
This conversation is mind blowing
>lol don't talk like a fag
you mean demonstrate how much of an idiot you are?
>This conversation is mind blowing
yes
you apparently are incapable of perceiving the difference in framerates on computer monitors
>you mean demonstrate how much of an idiot you are?
normal people don't add "lol" randomly to sentences
>sony game runs at 30fps
>HAHA SONYGGERS ENJOY YOUR MOVIE XD
>nintendo game runs at 20-30fps
>W-WELL IS 60FPS REALLY THAT IMPORTANT IT'S THE GAMEPLAY THAT COUNTS
Refresh rates have not changed. If you want 60fps you can use less geometry and detail in general until the visuals refresh at 60hz. This is not a question of processing power, it's entirely design practices that favor visuals over substance. You're defending bullshot marketing practices that are detrimental to gameplay in the industry at large with your uneducated spew.
900p docked 720 handheld. Both more or less stable 30fps with once or twice dip after I think a 10 minute demo. Theory because of lighting.
Who are you referring to specifically? Or are you under the assumption that Sup Forums is one person?
No you can't. There have been a fair number of scientific studies showing this. The visual cortex only updates the image recognition center of the brain about 10 times/sec. It does do some integration during that time which is how visual motion blur happens - the visual cortex has captured multiple frames and smeared them together.
There was one study recently where they alternated 5 frames of an animation sequence and one solid white frame and by adjusting the frequency and phase of this loop relative to the subjects internal processing loop, were able get the subject to see the animation, a still frame, an image bouncing back and forth, or only white with no image at all. Same video loop, just changing where in the loop the white frame landed before the visual,cortex handed the integrated image off to the reasoning centers for image recognition.
This allowed them to measure very accurately the 'clock rate' of the various parts of the brain involved in image processing. You can't see 60fps. You just see motion blur.
>citing studies
>no links
You are so full of shit.
How do I see the stutter in wii u mk8 where it repeats a frame every 59 frames? There are myriad examples of people being very sensitive to frame time like the insanely small margin for error in fighters or any other number of fast paced games.
You're brain may blur it but that's interpolation of motion. More visual information assists your ability to assess trajectory and react. The study I saw showed fighter pilots able to perceive motion at extremely small increments of time like 1/600th of a second. Your brain is looking for useful information and is ready to accept it despite the timing of its appearance. There are no frames in our brains just constant liquid analysis.
>Quake III/UT didn't have 60 fps
Yeah, you're absolutely right. Most people ran it at a refresh rate of at least 100 fps.
no but it's better
also i've never had a problem with the previous zelda games capped at 30
>"lol" randomly to sentences
Well well is this where we are landed at?
>can't read for shit
>strawman argument
>0 knowledge in language
>claim 'lol' at the end of a sentence is random
>muh don't laugh at me REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This. For zelda and other RPG's.
In other fast paced genered like FPS, racing and fast action games like Smash Bros and other fighters a higher framerate is much more critical, since the gameplay experience depends on it.
>Fast-paced games and shooters? 30fps will be practically unplayable.
People seem to be playing shooters on consoles just fine.
> it's not unplayable like some cancerous retards say.
Guess you do not get this particular part, and how it relates to you specifically
The more fps the better, until it starts giving diminishing returns of course, just like resolution and poly count.
If anything it reduces temporal aliasing.
That's not 60? looks fine to me
if you honestly can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps at a glance you need to fucking stop posting in these threads.
I can tell when I pay REALLY close attention
Maybe that kind of thing doesn't matter to me
Bomberman R is confirmed to run at 30fps and you'd be crazy to think that isn't going to effect the gameplay. This is such a massive disappointment to me
>Bomberman R is confirmed to run at 30fps
source or fuck off
>Zelda (3D) has always been 20-30 and despite this OOT is universally considered to be one of the best games of all time.
Yes, despite this. In spite of this. As in: it would be better if it wasn't this way but it is.
Stable 20fps isn't a positive because OoT did it. Go on an emulator and play OoT 3x faster and just see how fluid everything is, then switch back to 1x speed and feel the sluggish turning.
It's bomberman, does it really matter?
Look buddy. In 2003 a literal child built and hosted Sup Forums all on his own. Today indipendant websites are dead. No one remembers how to host a webpage anymore. That is lost knowledge.
Depends on the game but most are at best, irritating sub 60 and at worst, unplayable(like FPS games). The only games that come to mind that can still be enjoyed sub 60 are strategy games. Bare minimum would be 30 though. Anything lower for any genre would be utter shit.
Took a while to find the confirmation from digital foundry but the have been reports of it running at 30 from people on the show floor
About 10:15 in
Yes, it really does matter.
Why do you need to see a blocky bomb explosion in 60 frames per second?
>no one remembers how to host a webpage anymore
It's piss easy now to do.I could get a site up and running just to call you a faggot right now if I wanted to. It's not some smoke and mirrors shit because YOU don't know how to do it.
I'm not going to sit here and explain to you why 60fps is a good thing, especially in a multiplayer game such as Bomberman. If you're baiting, please take it elsewhere.
most fps on console are 60 fps
Yes, constant 60 FPS is important. However, Sony shills have ingrained it into people's minds that 30 FPS and below is fine too. So don't worry, Zelda is perfectly acceptable.
This. On consoles 30fps also has some tricks by the Dev to make it feel smoother. Though I've gotten to somewhat get that going just screwing with amd settings as well as in game settings. It's playable.
60 just feels better. For every game. Why do you think call of duty was so popular last gen? Ask anyone, "bro it just feels smoother than bf ya know"
Consistancy is more important
Solid 30 is better than choppy 60