For the very small but vocal minority who think the Switch is going to suck...

For the very small but vocal minority who think the Switch is going to suck, in your opinion what would "save" the Switch?

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>the very small but vocal minority who think the Switch is going to suck

cancel it and go third party.

I want Zelda on PC.

Good games

For it to be a ps4 pro with Nintendo's logo on it for half the price and free online. Ignore them, they're shitposters.

>very small but vocal minority

cuck

We already are.

I want to know what realistic expectations could sway fence-sitters opinions.

that game looks like shit
who awarded it game of the year?

Netflix, free online, not having chat and matchmaking go through a fucking phone app.

NO GIMMICKS
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New Metroid Prime game. (wont happen since Federation Force canned)
New F-Zero. (probably never ever because of Mario Kart and Rime)
Smash port. (maybe, but it will probably just be a simple port with no new characters or stages)
New Switch exclusive Kirby. (if a Kirby does get on Switch, it probably won't be exclusive)
1 2 Switch needed to be a game packaged with the console, not a $50 title.
And something other than a couple indies, Bomberman, and Zelda at launch for the core audience.

OP is right.

Hi OP

Gamecube 2.

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>shitposting = critique
No.

This, just give us a gimmick free system.

>Switch? More like Nintendo bitch

>$250 and more reasonable accessory pricing
>Powerful enough to run Nintendo's games at 1080p minimum, 900p in an insult for a console that we'll (presumably) still be playing in 2021
>No paid online or far better service offering if they're going to charge: actual games instead of roms, you can keep them instead of losing them after a month, built in voice chat, built in match making/friend system, promise that games people have been begging for online multi will receive it
>Far better launch lineup, more 1st party, get 3rd parties on board with actual new 3rd party games instead of ports from last generation
>Stop supporting the 3DS, it's sending mixed messages and making it look like the Switch isn't a handheld

I bought a WiiU but I won't buy the switch before there's tons of exclusives on it.

I'm tired of gimmicks, so I want good games to play on a "pro" pad.

Because going third party went so well for SEGA...

>Far better launch lineup, more 1st party
The Switch easily has the best first year lineup of any 7th or 8th gen console. What miracle could make it better?

this old picture of Keanu always hurts me

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>very small but vocal minority

you got me to post, OP, good bait

>easily the best
>Zelda #564
>Bomberman #583
>waggle game

It has Mario, Zelda, and Splatoon DLC that's being paraded as a sequel. Xeno2 will be delayed until 2018 minimum and that's for Japanese release, it will probably take them 6-9 months to localize. The rest of the lineup is ports of old games. Some of them are really old, and most of them are indie.

Mario isn't launch.
Zelda is cross gen.
Splatoon isn't launch.

Nothing. I don't want a handconsole that is mediocre at both of it's functions.

I'm talking about year 1.
Obviously it looks even worse if you're talking about release day

I don't think it's going to suck, I just think they're making some very idiotic choices.

>Paid online when Nintendo has fucked up almost everything regarding online three systems in a row.
>Every bonus the paid online would give you is incredibly inferior to the competition's, and even when it does switch to paid you basically only have Arms, Mario Kart, and Splatoon to sustain the thing for at least a year.
>Relegating things even a Vita could do from day 1 to a smartphone app.
>$60 games for a glorified handheld.
>Expensive controllers for whatever reason.
>Instead of going all in and calling the Switch a handheld they're marketing it as a console when everyone and their mother knows it's not going to get anything but Nintendo first party console games if that's the case since third parties can't be bothered to make a Switch separate version as both the Wii and Wii U show.
In the Wii's case they made the games but just because the userbase outweighed the risk.
>Not even making 1-2-Switch a pack-in game and expecting people to pay $60 for it.

Here's a question, do you see yourself spending $60 for Bomberman? $60? For a game that would be considered $15-20 on any other system?

It needs a better way to distribute VC Games, which are going to be their life blood in the sparse game lineup the first year has.

Allow players to play most games online for free, like Splatoon Mario Kart or Smash, but also be evil and have a subscription service for the inevitable MMO/Multiplayer Focused Pokemon they will make.

Add incentive to their online service by allowing players to freely stream VC games of Gamecube level or below from the VC library and a discount on buying them permanently. Non members have to buy them individually at normal price.

Knock down the price of the add ons by at least $10. $20 if possible. $50 Joycon controllers sound much more reasonable.

>sequels are now DLC
>delayed with no citation
Ok buddy

>pro controller comes with the system
>free online

That's all

You didn't answer the post you replied to though

>so uncreative he goes to Sup Forums to steal reaction memes
Sony in a nutshell ladies and gentlemen

Minority of people who are interested in buying it?

Because it's not really a minority that are underwhelmed

They showcased the gimmicks, but they do a lot of stressing the fact that they are optional whenever optional.

1 2 Switch obviously is based around all the new Switch features, but ARMS is confirmed to have traditional control setup, Splatoon 2 uses the pro controller, Zelda has no weird shit going on (yes, gyro aiming is an improvement).

I could have shown you Splatoon """"2"""" footage last year and claimed it was DLC and you would never have doubted me for an instant

And yeah, super vague "2017" with no date, no season = 2018 or later. This is Nintendo, they've demonstrated this repeatedly

There is a difference between underwhelmed and "It SUCKS! Nintendo needs to go third person! Buy a PS4! etc"

Another thread that barely gives any answers. I'm almost convinced at this point that there's nothing Nintendo could do to get consumers back. What's the ratio of people who prefer Sony exclusives vs Microsoft exclusives vs Nintendo exclusives? If Nintendo finally said "screw it," and decided to just make a system like PS4 and Xbox One (or whatever the next-gen equivalent ends up being), what'd even be Nintendo's selling point anymore? Just their first party exclusives. I think most people who don't really care for Nintendo games don't buy Nintendo consoles. It wouldn't change their minds. Only Nintendo fans will ever buy Nintendo consoles if Nintendo goes full Sony.

>what would "save" the Switch?
More than one worthwhile launch game

More powerful hardware to entice better third party support (Sorry, the standard edition of Skyrim from 2011 isn't good enough)

"Back to our roots" first party games. Another 2D metroid (or hell even a Metroid Prime) is long overdue. The same can be said for many other popular IPs

>Sequels are now DLC
>no citation for delay
Ok kid.

>"Back to our roots" first party games
Like what's going on?

Tropical Freeze, Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey and many others.

>Another thread that barely gives any answers.

You're asking the wrong place.

I think the Switch is perfectly fine in concept and execution, but Nintendo is fumbling on the release and to a small extent the marketing though not nearly to the extent they failed with the Wii U.

Nintendo should have marketed it primarily as the powerful handheld device that it is, which has the ability to dock to the TV for slightly improved graphics/framerate. Instead of trying to sell the thing as an underpowered home console that you can take with you on the go. They also should have accepted taking a minor loss on the initial hardware sale, to get the price down to $250 or even $200. They have the cash to eat that initial loss, and it would have garunteed the thing sold really well. Not having 1, 2, Switch as a pack-in is also the dumbest move I've ever seen them pull as a company, nobody is buying that shit for $50. Selling access to the entire VC backlog on rotation as part of a subscription service would also be a huge no-brainer that could sell systems, and keep people paying out the nose for the online.

The hardware is fine for what it is, and the launch line up isn't even the worst Nintendo has ever put a console out with. (See the 3DS) They just could have done better with the release, if they play their cards right in the months afterward though I could see a 3DS style comback.

>Just their first party exclusives
Uh, that's all they have going for themselves *now* you fucking idiot. No one buys Nintendo for the hardware. They *begrudgingly* buy hardware because it's the only way to play the 1st party games.

> I'm almost convinced at this point that there's nothing Nintendo could do to get consumers back.
I think they had the same conclusion, which explains the pricing. Honestly cheaper pricing wouldn't save it, it's just one of a ton of faults. The pricing is extortionate because they figure the diehards will buy it anyway so they may as well charge exorbitant prices and rake in extra profit

Switch is going to bomb hard, I'm convinced even Nintendo thinks so

>Zelda is now Skyrim
>Mario is now Sonic Adventure
How is this their roots?

>DK game from three years ago
????????

I've never seen a more similar looking sequel. The NSMB games aren't this bad because they at least have huge differences in resolution.

>no citation
What do you want me to cite?

Oh memes. Very nice.

>Breath of the Wild
What about BOTW is similar to old Zelda games? It's a stark contrast to their usual formula
Tropical Freeze was good but we don't know enough about MO to draw any conclusions.

Fact is Federation Force, the new Star Fox, latest Kirby, and other "installments" in their popular franchises have all been absolute garbage.

>mems are truth

>exorbitant prices
I love when poorfags post on Sup Forums

>It's a stark contrast to their usual formula

For A Link to the Past onward, yes.
But not compared to the original.

because it worked so well for them last time

Do you realize that Nintendo can't AFFORD to directly compete with Sony or Microsoft?

How about you come up with an argument if you disagree.

Its the original game translated to 3D. Extremely open-ended, entire map open to explore from the start, content can be tackled in any order.

>I want it on PC

Not fooling anyone Sony shill

Quick brainstorm here:

Hardware-wise:
- Remove gimmicks from the controllers.
- Either keep the price but bump up the specs, or keep the specs but at a lower price.
- Focus on portability (ads and shit)
- Improve battery life

Software-wise:
- Improve launch titles (the current ones are just sad)
- More competitive online service (add free games from past consoles, no rentals)
- Release new classic titles
- Real third party support

Me personally, I think it's gonna fail. Nintendo does dumb shit all the time. They said the same shit with the Wii U.

> We promise, this console is for the hardcore gamer! Look at all the third party games we have!

Bullshit, they let me down with the Wii U, so I hope they go bankrupt. I spent good money on that stupid console.

I'm not wasting time responding to memes.

You don't have an argument worth my time.

The same thing that could have saved the Wii U.

Games. Just release fucking games for your system.

All Ninty needs to do to sell any fucking system is release a Mario, a Metroid, a Zelda, a Smash Bros, a Pokemon, a Mario Kart, a Donkey Kong and an Animal Crossing and they will sell fucking thunderously.

Their problem is instead selling a bunch of garbage no one wants and investing on shit that isn't going to appeal to people. JUST RELEASE YOUR FLAGSHIP TITLES, IN A TIMELY FASHION.

>Smash port

Why when you know the next one is just gonna come out in two years or less? I don't even see the point of porting MK8 other than to pad out the lineup.

>all open world medieval-ish games are Skyrim
screencap this post and post it on Reddit for karma when Link starts shooting fire out of his hands.

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I think you're severely overestimating how powerful the system is and the cost of the materials.

$50 tablets have better parts.

>Games
What? The Wii U was the only 8th gen console WITH games.

Free online

Nintendo's online has always been completely immature on every system. Sony at least showed competency before starting to charge for the service. You get cloud saves, games, on-console voice chat, and other "modern" online features. Sony's system is also account based similar to Steam so you can download your games if your system dies.

You have to contact Nintendo if you want to get your games back whenever someone steals your 3DS and you STILL lose all your save data. It's one of the actual reasons to pirate.

If Nintendo were to show, for a single generation, that they understand what features a modern online service should have, THEN they can start charging. The fact that I'll have to pay for Pokemon Bank on top of the online access subscription fee is also fucking insult.

>content can be tackled in any order
That sounds really fucking dumb.

I hated that concept in LBW because it just meant all the dungeons and bosses were piss easy so if you stumbled there first thing you didn't get blown the fuck out.

What a fucking nightmare

>Sup Forums tries to be Sup Forums
lol

Too little too late, after confusing normies with the name.

>Wii
>Wii U
>is this the same?
>Billy already has a Wii
>I'm not buying you a Wiitablet billy

>Robobot
>Garbage

I'll fight a nigga up in herrr.

Great argument

>content can be tackled in any order.
So what you really mean is every dungeon has a "level one" difficulty
Sounds REALLY fun

>returning to their roots

>Zelda game clearly influenced by Ubisoft/Bethesda open world games
>"You can go anywhere, even fight the final boss first"
>towers you have to climb to then see important markers on the map

Which past Zelda game does this resemble?

>Mario that looks nearly 1-to-1 with Sonic Adventure
>Mario in a realistic city with real people
>"but there's other locations too, you memer hater!!"
Like how Sonic Adventure had beach shit and jungle shit and ice cavern shit and casino shit?

How is this Nintendo returning to Nintendo's roots?
You can't just say bullshit and then cover your ears when people call you on it.

Next time actually provide a $50 tablet as a counter-example, otherwise it's just empty speculation and worthy of ridicule.

Games. But seriously.

Games. Online games specifically. And an online interface that doesn't suck massive dick. Especially since they're charging for it now.

no one who names their son billy is human, they don't count

>Uh, that's all they have going for themselves *now*

Let's test that statement. What did they ever have going for them before. NES, they were basically a monopoly. SNES, better specs. N64 had better video processing, and for a while, an analog stick. FPS on console blew up because of N64. But PS1 had optical discs and architecture that allowed for 3D, unlike Sega Saturn. People remember the N64 for first party games and Rareware. Nothing third party. Gamecube, same deal. It was a smaller optical medium, but multi-disc games were a thing even back then. What stopped Gamecube from succeeding was one, lack of a DVD player, but two, their image. Nintendo is a kiddy console. Even back then, you'd only buy a Gamecube for first party. Wii took off thnks to being just before smartphones, but once you went past Wii Sports, Fit, and Mario Kart, their game sales figures were comparable to only being slightly better than Gamecube. Wii U? Don't get me started. If anything, Nintendo's biggest contributions to the game industry as a whole has been in their hardware. Their software, in the grand scheme of things, is only comparable to other platform exclusives, despite what fanboys and history will tell you.

>SNES, better specs
>N64 had better video processing
>What stopped Gamecube from succeeding was one, lack of a DVD player
lol

Nintendo isn't focusing on the handheld aspect because the 3DS is still selling much better than expected before of wave from pokemon go.

They will release a compatible "Switch lite" next year with no detachable controllers, better battery, smaller, for $199.

>do the dungeons in any order
I want this meme to die, all it does it cap the game from having legitimate difficulty

There is no $50 tablet that matches the Switch in specs, but that doesn't keep the other parts of the tablet from doing so. 720p IPS screen? 4300mAh battery? These are not premium components, and it's literally all they've added to an Nvidia Tegra X1 SoC motherboard that was being sold in the Shield TV, in 2015, for $199, itself likely for a sizeable profit

What has happened in 2 years that not only the cost of X1s haven't dropped but Nintendo thinks and LCD screen and battery are worth $100

There is a HUGE PROFIT MARGIN on the Switch, and its accessories. Judging by the fact that they're giving a single fucking ROM as their online service subscription "gift" that they take away at the end of the month, I would say there's a huge profit margin there too, especially when you consider the only two fucking games that will have online multi in the first YEAR are Splatoon and MK8.

>There is no $50 tablet that matches the Switch in specs
Ok

>Nintendo isn't focusing on the handheld aspect because the 3DS is still selling much better than expected
They're not focusing on the handheld aspect because the thing has laughable battery life.

It's perfectly comparable to the 3DS

Its battery life is about what the original 3DS could manage, with much more impressive hardware.

And they will still sold out at launch, which means that having a lower price would be completely retarded.
They'lll lower it later or add a bundled game, as production ramps up.

What would make the switch better?
>free online, or some reason to believe paying for online would be worth it
>less shitty launch line-up
>lower price, or better hardware
I could deal with the gimmicks if all of these checked out.

and if they actually fucking learned how to appeal to the audience they're advertising to. That'd be great.

Nintendo killed themselves with carts on the N64. It wasn't weak hardware but that one aspect of it was monumentally moronic, so much so that they've been hemorrhaging their core demographic ever since. They have not recovered from it. They hit a lucky streak in a pre-iPad market with the Wii and DS but that's not happening again. Casuals have moved on to mobile gaming and they're not coming back

N64 killed Nintendo. They could have recovered with the gamecube but they made more moronic choices like making it look like a cheap toy and the mini DVDs

same as 3DS at launch, so no

It could do well

But I would have liked to see
-Less bullshit gimmicks
-Reasonably priced controllers
-Better hardware
-Free online (you can charge when we can expect something decent)
-A substantial previously unseen launch title
-A few big name first party games staggered through the year

Basically a real console and not Wii 2.0

>It wasn't weak hardware but that one aspect of it was monumentally moronic
No it wasnt.

Do you know what the load times for SM64 and OOT would have been? Fucking atrocious

PS4 and mobile not existing

Enjoy your Wii U 2.0

Their hardware is literally the best you can get at this price point. It's running a custom X2 chipset that's similar to Pascal architecture and hits almost 70% of the XB1's performance docked. Considering this is a $300 device that's portable, that is not bottom barrel hardware, that's top-of-the-line for its price point. Unless you want Nintendo to sell at a loss, which they would never do.

>Enjoy your [Platform with Games] 2.0
Ok, thanks.

The exact opposite of this

Multiplayer is fun but the best games are singleplayer.

Nothing can save the Switch. It's no coincidence that it was released shortly after the Wii U because Nintendo stated that they think the future of gaming lies in hand-held devices.
I honestly believe the Switch (just like the Wii U) is just another prototype they wanted to push into the market. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo releases another console in the near future.

>which means that having a lower price would be completely retarded.
Yeah, that's exactly what the retarded businessmen are thinking in Japan too

The thing is, while it may serve them in the short term, it's shooting them in the foot in the long term. Normal consumers will dismiss it and when all of their fans buy one and their sales tank, again, like they did with the 3DS and Wii U, the only choice they'll have is the price slash. They didn't even try this with the Wii U, but the 3DS recovered only slightly and still has gone on to become Nintendo's worst selling handheld

They needed everything going for them for this launch and they completely blew it for short term gain