Overwatch:

Overwatch:
>Designed around strategically switching to different heroes mid-match to counter the enemy team's lineup. Each game is dynamic and interesting

>Within 2 months of release: game has 7 selectable heroes, 4 of them are tanks and 2 of them are healers, every single game is the same static format
>Game will never get fixed because redditors want to "Main" certain heroes, demand that their "main" is never nerfed and cry loudly
>strategically switching is a non-factor; there are no counters to Zarya, Soldier, Lucio, Ana, Reinhardt, D.va, besides playing those same heroes yourself, but better. In fact, Zarya herself counters 75% of all heroes even though there are no heroes that are strong against her.

Well that game went downhill fast. It's basically unplayable right now.

Is there a single good (not even great, but good) competitive online game on the market right now?

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it's a game about waifus, it's as competitive as smash
it's your own fault if you expected anything else out of a party game

>Zarya herself counters 75% of all heroes even though there are no heroes that are strong against her
weak to long range, especially hitscan.
git gud, 0/10 bait

>>Designed around strategically switching to different heroes mid-match to counter the enemy team's lineup. Each game is dynamic and interesting
This is dumb because switching mid-match puts you at an incredible disadvantage, as you lose any ult meter that you had built up at that point, and ults are often the deciding factor of fights and pushes

>there are no counters to Soldier
D.Va

>Reinhardt
Just shoot at his shield.

This.

My normie friend is wasting his time trying to play comp and he still can't understand how bs the entire game is, fuck even LoL is more balanced than this mess.

this is what silvers believe, you're the reason so many winnable games are lost

>there are no counters to Zarya
can be defeated by mercy's blaster
>Soldier
can be defeated by mercy's blaster
>Lucio
can be defeated by mercy's blaster
>Ana
can be defeated by mercy's blaster
>Reinhardt
can be defeated by mercy's blaster
>D.va
can be defeated by mercy's blaster

healsluts are usually too occupied by the giant foreign objects in their asses to aim properly

Except the game doesn't sell itself as a "party game". It tries so hard to be a comp game without having a casual mode which is what was mostly played in TF2 for example or most other arena-shooters in vidya history. If you build your game around a comp mode then your game better be competitive to begin with without the need for having a team to play with at any given time.
There is a lot that hurts the game, especially considering balancing, but to even realize that one needs extensive background in the genre. For example I can't for the life of me understand why Roadhog still exists, I've been seeing his idiocy since day one. Or the exaggerated CC they shoehorn more and more something that was never done before and for fucking good reason.
But yeah I could with all that to some degree if there would'Ve been an actual casual mode, just a different gametype with a bigger teamsize, just mayhem really. It's missing so hard.
And the biggest failure was the pseudo ranked mode, the same shit only with the most toxic of fuckups, meaning scrubs that get carried through the system and run their mouth.

You can do a ranked mode in Quake3, that's a game that supports nothing but skill, just looking at the accuracy from someones Lightning-gun can tell you how good he is for example.
A casualized babby team shooter with skill-gap compression up the ass build on a 1v1 elo system is not competitive. That's the biggest joe in the industry and only failures without any fucking background in the genre didn't realize that day one.

That being said, it's a game that just gets boring fast, and that shouldn't surprise anyone.

I want to lick her eyebrows.

It's Blizzard. After starcraft they think they are the masters of ESPORTSS but even sc2 is so shit that the slanties went back to broodwar. They did the same thing with HotS, trying to force a shit casual game to be a esport by shoveling tons of money into it

>without having a casual mode
Ok, so explain me what is arcade mode.

Any mercy who doesnt heal is flamed upon to the point where hey dont even damage amp

Healsluts are pointless

>without having a casual mode
What is Quick Play?

It's a game aimed towards an audience that's probably not you, if you're talking about quake and shit, you're probably too old or too serious to be playing this. It's not a game you're supposed to play 3000 hours to become the absolute skillmaster and then go into a tournament against russian hackers and beat them with your micro.

It's a game where fucking Dva explodes and team wipes and has two health bars and fucking negates ultimates with a right click. Go see the korean female streamers, they pick D.va and roadhog, if they have some moderate skill they pick soldier.

It's as competitive as hearthstone is compared to other card games, you can pretend it's some super hardcore shooter all you want, and complain about the balance being fucked up, but it's not meant to be the most elitist shooter game in the world even if they had ever advertised it as such, and pleasing hardcore players doesn't net them any money. They can have a competitive scene with fucking hobos that have been playing shooters for less than 2 years and still get to be world champions, all that matter is that they get some 12yo excited about a random nig getting headshots, and casual waifufags buying crates, who play like 6 hours a month and still have every single legendary in the game buying crates.

It's the era of mobile games, DLC, people with ADHD playing 30 minutes and getting tired, people complaining because their waifu is underpowered and compannies surrendering to peer pressure. It's impossible for such a behemoth to slowdown and carefully tailor the game towards the competitive audience, it will never happen, and even if it did that would mean adding more and more restrictions like bans or setting the meta in stone, and nobody wants that.

And oh wonder HoTs is a bore and SC2 is a bore.

It takes about 30 seconds to get ult, switching really isn't that big a deal.

The equivalent of Mario party. Forced "party" modes build again on their comp mode.
You tell me what is arcade mode atm I don't play this bore anymore. Let me guess it's all some variation of the base game, right?
No 10 vs 10 ctf or TDM even?

It takes a real freak to make something like this

are you new

>What is Quick Play?
The same as ranked mode without the insane elo system. It's not a mode for "fun" at all. It's not what we were used to from any Arena shooter with a server infrastructure. What do you think of when you think fun server for TF2 for example?

Fun server for TF 2? You mean a TF 2 server?

>No 10 vs 10 ctf

You're a retard

>or TDM even?

Looks like you don't even have a clue about what you're talking about, and yet you pretend to be smarter than you actually are. There is a 3v3 on this game with no other objective than kill the other players.

Overwatch is really far from being immune to critics. But if you want to criticize this game, don't be a retard and hit where it hurts. Talk about balance updates coming once in ten years, so that consoles can be on par. Talk about the lazy map design overall, talk about some heroes directly outclassing others, talk about how their ranking system is retarded.

I cannot expect you to play the game. You are the kind of morons who spends more time being pathetic on Sup Forums rather than playing games in general, after all. But I can expect you to actually have a fucking clue when you want to post on a thread. So educate yourself if you want to shitpost. You probably have time to do so.

Don't justify your perversions, it's a sign of weakness

>you're probably too old or too serious to be playing this
Actually I was looking forward to the game for the exact reason that I want a game that's not serious because I'm getting old. I'm done playing serious at least not comp serious anymore. But Overwatch is exactly that, too serious for it's own good. It shouldn't be because no one in his right mind would take this mess serious but that's what it sells itself as and that's also the only game mode available.
It's a schizophrenic mess, and a damn shame too.

Daily overwatch isn't quake thread, but I can't just go play quake I need every fps to be identical.

Daily reminder that overwatch is a shitty tf2 clone with waifus.

desu quake is too skillbased for me and i am too much of a shitter to have fun in it

You didn't prove him wrong at all?

That's her only weakness someone being ages away and its not exactly a glaring weakness either since she has many ways to avoid getting shot at from long range unless she wants to for cahrage

First of all my underdeveloped little friend, you proved my point. Also you didn't even get what I was saying although it was absolutely obvious. But I'm not your mommy if you want to read it again and have another go, knock yourself out you stupid little shit.

>Looks like you don't even have a clue
Oh really fucknugget, it's almost as if I don't play it anymore and I said it, but then again I'm still right with my assumption. 3v3 is again not a "fun" mode and again build around the base game mode that tries so hard to be competitive.
So not only was I right but you also dared to fucking mouth off at me like the little spoiled inexperienced shitter that you are for no reason whatsoever.
tl;dr suck a dick and learn to read.

>overwatch is a shitty tf2 clone
I wish

As I said before, I think this is a market proble, not necessarily overwatch's.

There's this revenue model they're following, they need a certain activity quota to meet, and some cash flow to happen, all while keeping the game relevant enough to capture new players that have been on the fence about buying the game until now. So while you and me want some whacky CTF fun times, they keep that shit in arcade mode, and "the real game" in quick and ranked. They're too busy justifying new characters/skins and new levels instead of fixing what they have, because fine tunning whatever won't really change the numbers they have right now. Sure you have a bunch of angry streamers on a strike saying they're playing paladins because OW isn't fun anymore, but the second a new patch it's out they go back craving for more blizzard cock because that's what gets them views.

OW is functional well oiled machine, you can ride it and not be happy about it, but it works, it works really well and it's among the top 10 sold games in 2016 afaik. I don't think the game will change significantly any time soon. I'm actually wondering if they'll be doing some sort of expansion to force people into dropping another $40 into the game. They said levels and characters would always be free, but I wouldn't doubt they have something up their sleeve to secure more sales, probably whatever you are waiting for or expecting, they'll deliver some sort of solution via some aditionaly purchase, everyone will get hyped as fuck, and in a few months it will end up as shitty as it is now, the basic blizzard cycle for all their products.

>Zarya
Anyone long range. Widow/Hanzo/McRee in particular.

>Soldier
Anyone with burst damage counters his healing.

>Lucio
Learn to aim.

>Ana
She's bullshit but like Zarya she'll get shit on by long range characters.

>Reinhardt
He's the biggest target in the game and a baby could land a headshot on him. Flank him, kill the healer, kill him because he can't catch you up.

>D.va
stay grouped, shoot at her from multiple directions so she can't DM everything.

>it's as competitive as smash

not even memeing. this statement opened my eyes

holy SHIT. this game has the same demographic as the people who play competitive smash

you dense nigger

3v3 is not the same as tdm. it's search and destroy at best since there's only one life

Now what do you do when they're all on the same team?

You retards you scream out COUUNTERR!! is in a 1v1 situation and ignores map objectives

>LoL balanced
>game where mid and jung completely fucks all the other lanes
>every patch theres broken tier champs that need perma banning
>jungle in a constant state of fuckery either too good or too weak
>assassins are either cancer tier or instakilled by tanks tier
>adcs are always useless pre 30 minutes
League is the worst

this

why the fuck is there no team deathmatch in this shitty ass game. wheres the fun

i put like 200 non idling hours into TF2. half of them were in CTF, a fourth in king of the hill and another fourth in payload


you cant even select your game mode. what the fuck is wrong with modern gaming

you know you are doing some seriously retarded millennial handholding shit when you cant even pick what map you want to play on

The giant object is usually half the enemy team nobody gets off you.

Blizzard quality balancing at its finest.

You asked for TDM, I provided you with an example of TDM present in the game. So here I fail to see what you're trying to prove.
And since we're talking about fun modes, what do you think about the timed events like the PVE one that was here for halloween, the football one that was here for summer, or the PVP brawl for winter? They probably all are based around competitive mode in minde, am i right?


>search and destroy
This is some quality bait. I like this.

>giving this hard of a shit about "counters" when anyone can kill anyone just by shooting them enough

Stop acting like you're all MLG bigtime pros, this shit will never have as huge an impact in the level of play that you all engage in and you fucking know it.

Roadhog can literally just pick up Soldier, Lucio or Ana and reduce them into fine powder

Nigger please you are just pissed someone said something against that babby shooter that you build your whole self worth on.
It's the epitome of sill-gap compression in the industry and it sells itself as a competitive esports masterwork.

its not bait you faggola

in TDM you respawn until the round is over and usually you work towards whoever has the most kills at the end of the round wins

3v3 is like I said, search and destroy. you get one life and thats it

For me there are 5 problems with balance.

One, some of the heroes are gutted in skill cap to make them have easy skill floors. Mercy, reaper and bastion are all missing a skill or alternate weapon.

Two, some of the heroes are so equal in toolkit that one will always outclass the other. Why would I ever play winston when dva is an objectively better winston in almost every category.
Why would I ever play widow when hanzo gets a limited version of her ult every x seconds and doesnt need a skill on cooldown to climb things.

Three, the defense heroes are so niche and unusable that the offensive class are better at defense then they are. The only exception to this is torbjorn.

Four why are the tanks so high damaging? 3 out of 5 can shit out damage easily and even before the tank meta 2 was practically mandatory.

5 the balance is based around RPS but the line up is so heavily skewed it makes no sense.
I can think of ten counters to a bastion or a mei but barely two to three for an ana, dva or zarya.

Exactly. You don't build a game around esports, you make a fun game first and then build an esport on top of it. They did it the otherway around. Hell they had a comp league a year or more before the game was even out. Pretty disgusting tbqh fampai.

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You dont understand, this is the most competitive game casual players gets to experience. They are not gunna go"wow quake was so much better", that shit is old and forgotten. Blizz knew that the mass market is just a bunch of casuals, so they make the game piss easy to play by implementing tons of auto aims or aim crutches while implementing some high skill cap things like mccree and tracer where good aim and skill management makes you a monster so actual gamers can also enjoy the game

Sombra has kind of become the counter to Zarya and Lucio. The game is still pretty shit about the whole 'dynamic switching' thing.

The games focus around single focal point objectives forces gameplay to be centered around those singular focal points.

The only way to play is to have constant organized team fights of 6v6 around the focal point and its extremely stale because there will always be a select few characters that are needed in team fights.

The game needs to change at it's core to be on par with games like counter strike and league of legends. These games have multiple objectives at any point leading to diverse strategies and more varied and interesting gameplay.

This is a pretty good description.

Its a fun game and Blizzard is fantastic at coming up with interesting characters. I mean fuck you could make a single player FPS based on Tracer's gimmics alone.

But they can't balance for shit. They try to non-stop tweak characters making them hard to follow on what works for them, leave some OP and label as intended, and leave some horribly underpowered for long periods of time. I'ld say Widow is this games Vanilla through half of WotLK Shaman, etc.

Should have just made it a party game or focus on the balance more. The balance may work in some ways in a lab test, but when real people get their hands on the game, they ditch healers and exploit anything.

You'll never nail something like this perfect, but you have to get into the ballpark. People will drop out over time if too many of their go to characters are crap, or if only one of them is decent so they constantly play the same shit.

Try Paladins. I've played both games and had more fun in Paladins because the game is actually well balanced and has less bullshit like Roadhog's hook

Blizzard ignored the counter meta, and basically just filled the game with hyper carrys, and then they allow you to mirror match, so why the fuck wouldn't you pick the same OP bs that the enemy has... so now it becomes a game of mistakes, where fucking up is the only win condition for the enemy.

It's not as bad as it could, but definitely need to do something about Reinhardt being like 90% pick on every game. Even for fun standards the shield is just too stupid strong against retards, and has no single replacement in competitive play, but blizzard can't balance around people too retarded to shoot rein's shield at the same time.

It won't be long before they release some defense of the ancients kind of map to keep people busy if they don't like the competitive meta.

>Why would I ever play winston when dva is an objectively better winston in almost every category.
Doesn't winson's gun go through Reinhardt's shield ?

>Three, the defense heroes are so niche and unusable that the offensive class are better at defense then they are. The only exception to this is torbjorn.
Mei and Hanzo are pretty good.

amen

>He non-ironically uses Call Of Duty terminology to name game modes

I'm the first one who gets downvoted on their forum because I dare to point out what is wrong with the game. And I'm ok with you too to criticize the game, because it has a lot of room to be improved. What actually triggers me is when people are shitting on the game for gimmicks. Yes, a 20v20 mode would be so fun xd lmao, but even with that added Overwatch would have the same fucking issues.

comp pro in HL2DM
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sam comp pro in Overwatch
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Just look at how slow and dull Overwatch is in comparison to HL2DM

This is what happens when the top 'competitive game' at the moment is a shitty console FPS.

I dont unserstand how its too serious, if people bitch and moan you can mute them and that usually happens only in ranked. Hell i troll ranked games for fun and they cant do shit to stop me

hl2dm is some good ass shit

He meant Clan Arena, 2 teams last man standing wins.
TDM is 2 teams kill each other (and respawn) until a time-limit is hit or score-limit.

Also you can remove your obnoxious little ass from the thread now.

alright let's look at our options here
>Widowmaker
>Hanzo
>McCree
wait whoops seems we forgot the part where Reinhardt and D.va are literally always right beside Zarya all the time
dumbass

in reality where people are capable of critical thinking and don't base all of their opinions on a 1v1 basis, Tracer is the closest thing to a counter in the current meta because of her innate tankbusting capabilities.

Roadhog and Ana are the main problems since they exist. And genji still can dash right out of his deflect, and the deflect still deflects rockets and grenades.
Hell hitscan and semi hitscan are so OP it's a wonder people still play Pharah, one has to be a masochist to do so.
>still no splash damage to work with
>still no pop-up
>Still nothing else but direct hits and praying.

more likely everyone will pick the few maps that dont blow huge ass
who the fuck is going to willingly pick something like hanamura

>cant pick maps
Maps are tied to the skill cap of the game. Its ridiculous that theres no map select for casual matches but its understandable for ranked. I would boost my rank trememndously if i just played a single map.

Im not sure how tdm could work. The entire game is about capping things by creating a numbers advantage and breaking through chokes. It would be inorganic as fuck, just play a normal match and focus on killing instead of objective if you want tdm

This is what's really wrong with Overwatch for me, the movement feels so... Basic first-person Unity game. Crouching barely has any use, momentum doesn't really exist except when using certain abilities on certain characters, you can't pick up speed any way other than having a Lucio boost you.
The source engine gives you a hell of a lot more freedom of movement, crouch-jumping alone changes things so much.

>rocketjumping is so hard for console players that blizzard put a dedicated rocketjump button into the game that takes 0 skill and is gimped as fuck in general

why anyone puts up with the movement options in overwatch will always be a mystery to me.

>Yes, a 20v20 mode would be so fun xd lmao
This will be the last time I humor your idiotic ass.
Actually yes, that would be fun, I wouldn't go there, more like 10v10 but yeah, that would be a ton of fun and make for a refreshing change now and then. Which ultimately makes the stale ass normal mode fun again.
win/win

I don't agree with that.

I think they made a fun game and then got all the "Where's the fucking comp mode!? Give us the competitive mode!" feedback and had to put that into the game.

Kind of like Hearthstone, they started with a fun, casual card game that then got a esport scene and Blizzards idea of "fun casual card balance" doesn't jive with the whole min-max card game esport which results in only a couple of decks being viable to play if you want to get to the upper parts of the ranked ladder.

Feels like the same for overwatch, they make characters that are fun, interesting and got varying skill ceilings and then when those characters get into the hands of pros who "weeds out" the weak characters and only a handful are left.

The fundamental reason this game will remain complete garbage is because of all the hitscan weapons

Didn't know seagull was into HLduels
Dayum he good.

Yes except they fucked that by having his gun be useless against armour, so again dva is the better choice.
No its because projectile wepons are not balanced properly.

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The best

This is what Sup Forums is now. Every fucking time.

Shitters will pick him regardless. Might aswell step up his game.

The kit thing is some what valid but you butchered your follow up for it. Winston is in a rough spot right now because hes weak against tanks while dva is strong vs them, other wise, winston's auto aim gun fucks everyone with 200 hp or less while penetrating shields. Dva struggles at this since they can out run your gun and dodge the shots

Also, widow is far stronger than hanzo. Her gun is a hitscan thus making it more reliable than his retarded projectile arrows. Her low cool down grapple is also one of the strongest mobility tools you can have on a sniper while hanzo got a retarded wall climb and a gay ult

Mei torb and widow all have decent niches. Especially mei, but yeah defense sucks mostly

Tanks do dps because other wise you just run past them and fuck their squishies

>DOG BARKS AT OCEAN

>10v10 would be fun
Yeah, unwinnable 2cp maps would be so damn good to play, am i right? It's not like they're already unwinnable, so let's make it even more.
Overwatch's maps aren't designed to be played with more than 12 players on it. Just look at the clusterfuck it actually is now, and imagine making it even more stupid.
The thing to do here would be to add actually well designed maps, but that will bring us to Overwatch's real issues.

I want an Elin to sit on my face

Actually comps can be very varied but its very map dependent. Theres squishy flank comps with tracer and genji, 4 tank comps, toeb+sym 150 hp comp, and pharmacy comp. A lot of heroes are reused and staple to the meta but there are a lot of strats that can be used, its just easy to default to the tried and true meta

Yeah but they had an esports scene before the game was released. iirc the same was with HoTs too.
It's deliberate.

i only play quick play and i play whoever i feel like
none of this shit bothers me
what kind of moron takes a game so seriously that they only play ranked

Smash is far more competitive than Overwatch and I hate Smash. Seriously OW is so shallow you might as well have a speedrun competition for Gone Home

>Designed around strategically switching
That's a pretty shit attempt to say rock paper scissors.

>you know you are doing some seriously retarded millennial handholding shit when you cant even pick what map you want to play on
I started playing the game again because of the new map, but after 10 matches I still didn't get to play it and stopped playing again.
This made me laugh so hard it's the olymp of incompetence.
I want servers back, match-making is not helping one bit, it's shit, burry it, shoot it and forget it.

>Mercy, reaper and bastion are all missing a skill or alternate weapon.
More like Pharah first and foremost, but ultimately the whole cast would be better with secondaries. It's way harder to balance with jzust one weapon too. How will Pharah ever compete like this? She has the worst rocket-launcher with the least utility in the history of arena shooters and that's all she got.
Fucing mind-boggling.

Paladins is better

>plural
>is

Dva does more damage, her mobility is better on a lower cooldown, and she can delete ults whilst having an ult thats basially block or die.

>why anyone puts up with the movement options in overwatch will always be a mystery to me.
Preach to choir user, preach to the choir.

>Game focused around hard counters
>Absolutely zero semblance of picks/bans because you can easily switch any time
>Game devolves into mirror matches

What did Blizz mean by this

(the game called) Paladins is better.

You wouldn't say "Tribes are a cool game", or "Borderlands 2 are fucking shit", would you?

>plural as part of the proper noun
>not is

>The entire game is about capping things
And so is TF2, but it works with full servers. It's a fun mayhem. Hell we did this since the dawn of the genre, it's not a new concept and it always works.

You need to calm down, user this is a video game board just manchilds fight in here

6v6 was a mistake.

There, I said it.

I'm still pissed at how shit junkrat's concussion jump is. It feels like it has a cap on the distance you can travel so you just automatically slow down and drop in the air.

They get their sales from lootcrates. They planning all these holiday events because they know people will panic to get the exclusive skins on time and drop mad cash on boxes. They use a gambling model that is easily avoided if you aren't stupid or care too much about cosmetics and 'catching them all'.

Can't agree more.

>Crouching barely has any use

Hello bronze league shitter. Go watch a tournament or just hit up any GM+ stream on twitch and watch them crouch so fucking much you think it's macroed to their movement keys.