This is a decent game and much better than most Final Fantasy numbered title entries like FF1, FF2, FF3, FF5, FF8, FF11...

This is a decent game and much better than most Final Fantasy numbered title entries like FF1, FF2, FF3, FF5, FF8, FF11, FF12 and FF14.

yes, user, we saw you in the KH thread. No need to keep shitposting.

>Thinks I'm shitposting
Yeah, keep up that denial there buddy. Everybody knows that I'm telling the truth.

FF13 was a hallway. A hallway in which we got to learn about 6 terrible people and read a encyclopedia of Knowledge that was thrown out the window for the sequel.
All wrapped in a game mechanics that were drawl from beginning to end.
I will believe you on it being better than 8 and possibly 2. But the story, characaters, and systems in the rest of the games far out play FF13 and it's sequels.
And you won't and can't back up your claim.

>FF13 was a hallway.
It was linear like Final Fantasy 10 fucknugget. How is that a hallway when it's taking a similar gameplay design as FF10? Where is your point exactly?

>A hallway in which we got to learn about 6 terrible people
Except it's a very fleshed out group of characters who are very well remembered because all but Vanille and Snow pass the Personality test. It's the exact reason why Lightning Farron is a huge fan favorite in Japan.

>and read a encyclopedia of Knowledge that was thrown out the window for the sequel.
Except

A. The Datalog was there just if you had any question about the plot

B. FF13-2's premise is due to a paradox ending. So FF13's story still stands and FF13-2 is on an alternate timeline.

I will believe you on it being better than 8 and possibly 2.
But it's also better than FF1, FF3, FF5, FF11, FF12 and FF14. There are 8 games that it is better than.

>But the story, characaters, and systems in the rest of the games far out play FF13 and it's sequels.

No it doesn't. FF13's story, characters and battle system is much better than all of them. I will give you FF12 for having a decent story, but not the rest. All the characters in those games are weaker than the majority of FF13's cast. The battle system is far more superior to that than of those 8 Final Fantasy games.

Looks to me like I just backed up my claim dumb shithead of a fucking faggot.

No. XIII is not better than V, VIII, XI or XII.

Yes it is. FF5 was lackluster, FF8 was wasted potential, FF11 is just an alright MMO and FF12 is an incomplete offline MMO.

It is better than those games.

Not an argument.

>Not an argument
FF5 has a broken combat system, forgettable story and 1 dimensional characters.

FF8 has a broken combat system and a story that goes all over the place.

FF11 as I said is just alright solid MMO but still lacks the appeal of number titles in general.

FF12 has a slow, monotonous combat system with a barren, directionless Open world where sidequests can take hours to finish. Plus it's characters are too Star Wars.

See? Is that an argument now faggot?

>FF1
No
>FF2
No
>FF3
Yes
>FF5
No
>FF8
No
>FF11
No
>FF12
Yes
>FF14
Yes

FF1 has aged like milk and is no longer in the running.

FF2 is a broken piece of shit

FF5 has a broken combat system, forgettable story and 1 dimensional characters.

FF8 has a broken combat system and a story that goes all over the place.

FF11 as I said is just alright solid MMO but still lacks the appeal of number titles in general.

>It was linear like Final Fantasy 10 fucknugget.
At least Final fantasy 10 had some of the greatest Game mechanics. same can't be said for FF13.

>Except it's a very fleshed out group of characters
Which I hated severely and never want to see in any sort of media ever again.
>B. FF13-2's premise is due to a paradox ending.
which rewrote the story and the second game later rewrites history so the shit in the codex from 1 meant nothing in the long run. Grade F- story telling.
>But it's also better than FF1, FF3, FF5, FF11, FF12 and FF14. There are 8 games that it is better than.
Which you still can't seem to tell me how.
>No it doesn't. FF13's story, characters and battle system is much better than all of them.
I don't know how you could possibly stand any of the fucking characters in that. Except maybe Sazh. Only because he didn't whine gripe and bitch about everything or be a bubbly overly optimistic fuck.
Nobody understood the fucking falcie l'cie bullshit. It was all convoluted.
The battle system was 100% build bar until you can do damage. Mix that with a severely gimped version of FFX's sphere grid for leveling and you got a turd of a game.

>Looks to me like I just backed up my claim dumb shithead of a fucking faggot.

Except you didn't fuck face. You didn't compare it to any of the other games mechanics. You just said it was better. Your opinion ain't fact retard.

Go suck Toriyama's dick while he fantasizes about Lightning again.

lol.

>FF5 has a broken combat system, forgettable story and 1 dimensional characters.
Yet you can't say why. Just vague busswords.
>Plus it's characters are too Star Wars.
And how is that a bad thing?

buzzwords are not arguments.

>FF1 has aged like milk and is no longer in the running.
No, it's a classic, play the remakes
>FF2 is a broken piece of shit
No, play the remakes
>FF5 has a broken combat system, forgettable story and 1 dimensional characters.
No, the game works fine
>FF8 has a broken combat system and a story that goes all over the place.
No, the game works fine, story is coherent
>FF11 as I said is just alright solid MMO but still lacks the appeal of number titles in general.
Incorrect - as of 2012, it was the most profitable Final Fantasy game

XIII has a broken combat system - you cannot move your character despite proximity mattering when it comes to enemy attacks, you get a game over when your lead character is KOed.

>At least Final fantasy 10 had some of the greatest Game mechanics. same can't be said for FF13.

What 'greatest game mechanics'? The battle system? That's a different thing altogether.

>Which I hated severely and never want to see in any sort of media ever again.

Except that's not the case as the grand majority of people said otherwise.

>which rewrote the story and the second game later rewrites history so the shit in the codex from 1 meant nothing in the long run. Grade F- story telling.

Except it created 2 endings dumb ass. That's what FF13-2 is. An alternate ending. FF13's ending still is there and still exists.

>Which you still can't seem to tell me how.

READ FUCKING THIS AND THIS >I don't know how you could possibly stand any of the fucking characters in that

Because the all clearly passed the Mr. Plinkett Personality Test except for Vanille and Snow. Those two are the only ones who failed.

>Nobody understood the fucking falcie l'cie bullshit. It was all convoluted.
Except people clearly did, otherwise we wound not even have the subseries in the first place idiot

>The battle system was 100% build bar until you can do damage. Mix that with a severely gimped version of FFX's sphere grid for leveling and you got a turd of a game.

So AGAIN, PARADIGM SHIFT, ATB METER, STAGGER SYSTEM. CONTROLLABLE SUMMONS, TIMING, PERCISSION AND BUFFS/DEBUFFS INTEGRATION ARE ALL THINGS YOU HAVE TO USE IN THE GAME. Stop just saying 'it doesn't count' WHEN IT CLEARLY DOES.

>Except you didn't fuck face. You didn't compare it to any of the other games mechanics. You just said it was better. Your opinion ain't fact.

EXCEPT FOR THE PART WHERE I FUCKING DID. HOW ABOUT YOU STOP BEING A FUCKING FAGGOT AND GO KILL YOURSELF OVER YOUR TROLLING.

No, you are just using buzzwords. Provide me with an actual argument you fucking faggot.

No, you're using buzzwords. Prove to me you aren't a fucking faggot or kill yourself.

calm down, kid

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Demanding an argument when you don't provide one.

The levels of stupidity are astounding.

>FF5 has a broken combat system, forgettable story and 1 dimensional characters.
that's still more dimensions than XIII's characters had lol

No it's not a classic. A classic is something people constantly remember and recommend to people. Nobody does that with FF1.

FF2 is still a broken piece of shit. Remakes should not be an excuse for shit design.

No, FF5 was very imbalanced and had a combat system that you could cut down to using only 4 jobs for all the 4 characters until you got the mimic armor in which it just became one job then.

FF8's draw system, unlimited limit breaks, and overabundance in the tutorial say otherwise.

And FF8's plot went from Witch Hunt to Love Story to Time Travel to All of the Above. That's MUCH worse than FF13's plot which was far more coherent.

FF11 is just a solid MMO game. Many people even disregard it as a number title at times. I have seen this in both people's opinions and how they rank the series.

FF13 has one of the best combat systems in the franchise by that comparison alone. Just read below on what you have to do.

PARADIGM SHIFT, ATB METER, STAGGER SYSTEM. CONTROLLABLE SUMMONS, TIMING, PERCISSION AND BUFFS/DEBUFFS INTEGRATION ARE ALL THINGS YOU HAVE TO USE IN THE GAME.

Also, FF13 has WAY more better characters.

>FF13's plot was coherent

It was FAR more coherent than FF8's incoherent plot.

no it wasn't.

I'm skipping over the games other than XIII. We're just going to go back and forth with "No it isn't" "Yes it is". Instead, I'm going to address your list of features that XIII's combat system has.

>PARADIGM SHIFT
Has an unskippable cutscene that you can be killed during.
>ATB METER
Nothing special.
>STAGGER SYSTEM
Nothing special.
>CONTROLLABLE SUMMONS
Pointless summons. Use TP, a resource that low-level players are likely to accumulate very slowly, and that high-level players will use on other techniques because Eidolons don't out-DPS the party well enough.
>TIMING
?
>PERCISSION
??
>BUFFS/DEBUFFS
>THINGS YOU HAVE TO USE IN THE GAME
Nope, didn't touch SYN or SAB until XIII-2

It is definitely not better than V or XII.

>What 'greatest game mechanics'? The battle system?
Fully flexibly character progression that doesn't interfere with the characters strengths but only enhances them. Switching characters out mid battle for on the fly tactics. Each character has a role they can play to counter the enemies.
As opposed to FF13's illusion of choice upgrade system with everyone being every class bullshit.

>Except that's not the case as the grand majority of people said otherwise.
Who is this "Majority"? If you are talking sales you got to understand that at the time FFXIII was the new numbered final fantasy game in the making. Nobody knew it would suck this bad.

>READ FUCKING THIS AND THIS
Yeah yeah. Buzzwords. I get it.
Can you actually describe this shit. Just sounds like you are a rabid lightning fanboy.

>FF13's ending still is there and still exists.
And still terrible.
>Because the all clearly passed the Mr. Plinkett Personality Test
Lightning: agree that Snow is banging her sister. thats it.
Snow: I wanna be the hero. That's it.
Vanille: bubbly bitch. faking being a bubbly bitch, lesbian. That's it.
Fang: lesbian. That's it.
Sazh: Too old for this shit. Doing everything for his kid. That's it.
Hope:Angry at Snow for killer his mother. That's it.
Grade A characters you got there.

>Except people clearly did, otherwise we wound not even have the subseries in the first place idiot
Wrong again nigger. Toriyama was tasked in making a trilogy. Money was already set for the series. It was going to happen regardless of fan reception. Toriyama's dick wouldn't let Lightning die until he brought her into real life.

>So AGAIN, (list of systems)
None of which hasn't been done in better FF games except the Stagger system. Which was done so terribly that is boring.

>EXCEPT FOR THE PART WHERE I FUCKING DID
Except you didn't. you talk all about FFXIII but can't say accurate shit about any of the other games. Just vague buzzwords.

Wrong.

Yes it was

>FF13 plot
>Asshole robtot beings brand people and give them a vision on what they must do. The characters must figure out what it is, discover the plot behind the warring worlds and stop the evil mastermind from trying to cause the end of the world without losing themselves to their cursed fate.

FF8's plot is what I described above. Which is far more coherent? FF8 or FF13? It's easily FF13.

Has an unskippable cutscene that you can be killed during.

1. That's barely an issue and you have to be really bad in order to be killed by that so called cutscene.

2. How is that 'nothing special'? You get multiple meters! That's even more than all the Final Fantasy games and equal to that of FF4 if you get the average of 5 meters!

3. How is the Stagger System nothing special? It's the Limit Break! And a good one too. It's not unlimited and it works just like a good old fashion one from FF7.

4. Controllable summons are a big deal as you can make them do multiple attacks when summoned instead of just the one. Also, there are items to quickly get back you TP easily.

5. You have the Triangle button to allow yourself to initiate attacks whenever you want to.

6. Percission was used to get over Eidolion trials and progress the game. If you didn't use this, you lost the game easily.

Except you had to use SYN and SAB in FF13 otherwise you would be screwed big time. I like to see someone actually finish the game without those because you are just making it extremely difficult for yourself

See for counter argument.

FF13 has 20 hours of padding and a shallow combat system.

>Starts thread with what seems to be a defense of 13
>Still calls it worse than 7,9,10,15

Nice bait fag we know you just want to sandbag 12.

Except that's what FF13 has when you get all 6 classes and they balance it so you can't just blindly replace the characters.

And switching characters out is no different from the Paradigms that the main three had too.

Except FF13 outsold all but FF7 andFF10 in it's year one sales. Every other game sold less. Plus every other game did not get a subseries from fan demand like FF7, FF10, FF13 and FF4 did.

Those aren't buzzwords, those are an argument. You have yet to provide your so called argument.

Except it's good and people enjoyed the game as a whole.

Except that's not how Mr. Plinkett's Personality Test works. It's "Describe a character without describing their physical appearance or job in the story". You just did that with Lightning, Snow, Vanille, Fang, Sazh and Hope.

No, fans did ask for it. Toriyama just asked the people. He said himself there was no plans to make a trilogy in the first place. That was originally Final Fantasy Versus XIII's design.

Except it has and you are just ignoring the fact that it integrated a lot of turn based mechanics really well.

You can't argue worth shit. You are just using buzzwords.

No, I'm right. Describe you shitty FF5 characters without describing their physical appearance or job. Do it right now.

Except FF13's plot starts in chapter 3 and it's combat is very deep and well put together.

Except that's not the point. If their are 15 number titles, 8 of them are worse and only 6 of them are better, then FF13 is the better game overall. That's now rankings work.

>1. That's barely an issue and you have to be really bad in order to be killed by that so called cutscene.
Yeah, you know who is really bad at the game? New players. It's an extremely punishing effect of switching paradigms, keeping you from seeing the battlefield so it can zoom in on your characters posing for a brief time. This is part of the reason why so many players of Final Fantasy XIII brute forced their way through the game using Diversity.

>2. How is that 'nothing special'? You get multiple meters!
No, you get one meter with multiple segments. Meaningless.

>3. How is the Stagger System nothing special? It's the Limit Break! And a good one too. It's not unlimited and it works just like a good old fashion one from FF7.
It's not a limit break because its use is mandatory. All it means is that the player needs to cope with dealing very little damage before they suddenly deal a lot more damage.

>4. Controllable summons are a big deal as you can make them do multiple attacks when summoned instead of just the one. Also, there are items to quickly get back you TP easily.
X did it first, and it doesn't matter how many attacks they do when they fail to outdamage the party well enough to justify their cost.

>5. You have the Triangle button to allow yourself to initiate attacks whenever you want to.
???

6. Percission was used to get over Eidolion trials and progress the game. If you didn't use this, you lost the game easily.
????

>Except you had to use SYN and SAB in FF13 otherwise you would be screwed big time. I like to see someone actually finish the game without those because you are just making it extremely difficult for yourself
Oh, so you didn't have to use them is what you're saying, okay

Final Fantasy XIII's combat system can be good. See XIII-2. But its implementation in XIII was trash.

>Except FF13's plot starts in chapter 3 and it's combat is very deep and well put together.
It starts in Chapter 1/2, then stops until what, Chapter 10?

>FF8 has a broken combat system and a story that goes all over the place.
Wat?
>Ultimecia, utilizing the Junction Machine Ellione, returns to several ages in the past. She can't go too far though so she seeks the original wielder of the power, Ellione herself, in order to travel even farter back. This will allow her to compress time and become a god that can defeat the Legendary SeeDs that are prophesized to destroy her.
>Our heroes get caught in this mess when she possesses Sorceress Edea
>After, well, all of the plot, our heroes exploit the time compression itself in order to reach Ultimecia in the future
>After defeating her, Squall finds himself lost in time. Even though he knows he has to go to the flower field he promised Rinoa, he instead goes to the saddest day in his life, when Ellione left Edea's house
>Ultimecia followed him and her powers are absorbed by Edea which wanted to protect the other kids.
>Squall explains Edea what happened and that she needs to create SeeD in order to be prepared about what will happen in the future.
>Squall then returns to the flow of time, is saved by Rinoa and they both return to their proper time, finally free from Ultimecia's attacks.
The self-fulfilling prophecy also explains why Cid put most of the party together in the first place and also gives quite a sad spin around Ultimecia's tale. Seeds exist because Ultimecia, but Ultimecia wouldn't have acted the time compression without SeeDs around hunting her.
Best FF story

FFXI had a better plot, characters, and gameplay than FFXIII. It is impossible you to dispute this.

But its still MMO garbage

>A classic is something people constantly remember and recommend to people. Nobody does that with FF1.
Yes they do....DON'T PICK thief

the ONLY thing it has over ANY of those games is graphics and filesize

Wtf is this thread? Everyone who can think for themselves knows XIII is a good game with the best combat in the series OP, you didn't have to make a thread sperging out about it.

Also,
>Lightning
>Stoic towards people like Sazh and Vanille and doesn't like showing her emotions

>Easy to anger to people like Snow and Bartandelous due to them being stupid or evil

>overprotective to people like Hope and Serah because she doesn't want to see them hurt

>underconfident towards others like Fang and her commanding officer due to issues about leading people and her thoughts about how she might not be able to.

Focused towards her goals as it is the only thing that can keep her mind off of

1. I got this game played by several newcomers and they picked it up easily. FF15 is where they had difficulty. They were able to easily pick up FF13 due to the game giving them the option to learn about it over time instead of just shoving it all in the forefront.

2. That is multiple ATB meters which is not meaningless because it gives you more to chose from.

3. It is a limit break as limit breaks in the past are mandatory. Look at FF7's limit break! Or FF10's limit break! They are mandatory.

4. But that is still much better mechanics than 13 out of the 15 Final Fantasy games! FF10 doing it first gives FF13 even more right to be seen as a good thing!

5. and 6 stop acting like a fucking faggot and just accept that they are part of the system.

6. I didn't say that faggot. I said that it would be so difficult that most people would stop playing for putting themselves on a handicap. You fucking faggot.

No, Chapter 3 is when the story begins because that's when the Fal'cie brand the characters, they get their Focus, and PSICOM starts chasing them down. Everything beyond that point (while slower paced) is still happening.

What real plot? What characters? The gameplay is just solid MMO and most people dismiss it entirely.

Dude, you didn't describe a easy to follow plot. You just convoluted the entire thing! The fact that this is suppose to be a 'good' FF story just botches up your entire argument.

I just know 8>7>5>1>9>3>tt>6>12>10>13

Nobody does dude. Have you ever heard anybody who recommend FF1 to others? No! It's usually FF7, FF10, FF4, FF6, FF13, FF8 and even now FF15. Nobody recommends FF1 to people.

Story (save for FF12), character, combat and gameplay (save for FF8) are weaker than that of FF13.

Geez, FF10 and FF13 that low? FF5, FF1 and FF3 that high? The fuck are you smoking!?!

>comparing games that you haven't played

Well, that is a point off ff8(cid disk 2) you need to pass in more than once. It's time fuck

Except I have played them. You are just being a moron.

Unpopular opinion: Most FF games range from great to decent.
To call them shit means you have not played a lot of games.
Mobile and MMO ones are garbage though.

But that's stupid. Why do I need to pass in more than once?

I genuinely like me some FFXIII, but if you think its better than V, XI, XII and XIV, you're a fucking idiot.

Hell, most people here don't even like the game (understandably) they just worship that insipidly bland, pink-haired toblerone that is a monument to all of modern FFs sins.

no you haven't.

I have played FF1-15 (save for FF14 as that was a broken piece of shit).

But it is better that 5, 11, 12 and 14. FFS, FF14 was a broken piece of shit!

>1. I got this game played by several newcomers and they picked it up easily. FF15 is where they had difficulty. They were able to easily pick up FF13 due to the game giving them the option to learn about it over time instead of just shoving it all in the forefront.
41.5% of players of the Steam version of Final Fantasy XIII got the 'Instrument of Vengeance' achievement. To get that achievement, you need to simply get to chapter 5. Less than half of all players even manage to finish chapter 4.

>2. That is multiple ATB meters which is not meaningless because it gives you more to chose from.
If the segments were removed and instead attacks did 6x the damage, medics healed 6x as much, and debuffs were 6x more likely to work, nothing would change.

>3. It is a limit break as limit breaks in the past are mandatory. Look at FF7's limit break! Or FF10's limit break! They are mandatory.
At no point in FF7 are you required to use a limit break to defeat a boss. At no point in FF10 are you required to use an overdrive to defeat a boss. You are uninformed, and that's a damn shame, because you aren't helping people appreciate XIII any more.

>4. But that is still much better mechanics than 13 out of the 15 Final Fantasy games! FF10 doing it first gives FF13 even more right to be seen as a good thing!
No, it isn't. Summons are worse than useless in XIII. Using them means forgoing the use of Libra, Renew, Quake. Final Fantasy X didn't limit your summons - you could summon whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted, and the worst that could happen would be your summon getting knocked out.

>5. and 6 stop acting like a fucking faggot and just accept that they are part of the system.
You aren't making any sense at all. Are you 8?

>6. I didn't say that faggot. I said that it would be so difficult that most people would stop playing for putting themselves on a handicap. You fucking faggot.
You are not good at counting. Are you 6?

I like FF 1 it is grind fest, FF5 is hard and rewarding, FF3 job system.
FF10 I hate MC and blitzb and that Jamaica sin world. FF13 ...I just love mc and that is it.

but the MMOs are the best mainline FF games

Play FF1
DON'T PICK thief

>13>12
LOL NO 13 barely felt like a rpg,while 12 you can build your characters however you want

I found it to be more entertaining than X

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XIII-2 and LR are good games, I'd go so far as to say XIII-2 is great.

I'm replaying XIII right now. I really disliked it the first time through. I'm enjoying it at the moment, but I think that's just open world fatigue, especially after playing XV.

The music is still fantastic though.

not him, but the first point is not really an argument when you take into account that the majority of people on steam buy games and never play them/barely play them. Its not something to judge a game's worth. If the game is not instant gratification FPS or something similar its bound to get that treatment.

>they balance it so you can't just blindly replace the characters.
Your right. you still to the pick 3 best characters in the game and hold down auto. The gameplay is brain dead.
>And switching characters out is no different from the Paradigms that the main three had too.
Except the shifts only changes the moves you use. Not the unique abilities the characters have. In your eyes its better to have every character be a reserve character for when one of your other characters die rather than have every character be uniquely useful in their own way so every character is irreplaceable.
>Those aren't buzzwords, those are an argument. You have yet to provide your so called argument.
Why would I need too? You never said anything about the games. You just harp on and on about FFXIII. Never about what the other games do worse than it. Just what FFXIII does in general.
>Except it's good and people enjoyed the game as a whole.
quite the echo chamber you live in.
>Except that's not how Mr. Plinkett's Personality Test works.
It doesn't You are correct. But those traits those character have are all they have. They are one dimensional. They are terribly written characters.
>No, fans did ask for it.
They really didn't. You have absolutely no clue how much Toriyama wants to fuck his waifu. So much show he made the ending of the FFXIII series of games dedicated to having Lighting enter our world and live in fucking France. the guy is a fucking nut. and the games show that.
>Except it has
Except it hasn't. You just listed a bunch of shit it had in the game. Not why they are better in any way. Listing them off like it was the first one to do it all. Like it did those systems better than everything else when it didn't. Like ATB was something new and special when nothing has used it any better then when it was introduced.
>You can't argue worth shit.
You are confusing me for yourself.
You still haven't sated what makes the other games worse than FFXIII.

To get this paradox timefuck terminator story.

>MMOs
>best
they are all garbage. Its fine if you like them but they are still garbage. Their main draw is autists that like to roleplay with their avatars.

FF12 plays itself. It is shit, good story.
Not OP

I disagree.

Well...pistols or swords, sir?

I see that sentiment a lot. That people enjoy XIII more after playing XIII-2. I think it's because XIII-2 does a much better job at teaching the player its mechanics and by proxy, those of XIII.

86.8% of players got the first chapter's trophy. 66.3% for chapter 2, 59.7% for chapter 3, 50.9% for chapter 4.

If you control for the people who bought the game and never played it enough to get the first trophy, then less than 50% of players managed to reach and play past chapter 7.

>Using Steam version
>this CLEARLY signifies all the players

Except the millions of people who played the game and finished it on console. And the PC version as always been known as the inferior version.

But that's still multiple attacks and choices. That's more than what any FF game with turn based as ever gotten.

Except they are very useful and are balanced in a way so you don't spam them over and over in fights.

Except timing and precision are key factors to beat bosses and get through the game.

No, you are just a fucking faggot then. Go kill yourself dude.

You are just saying that now because I brought it up! You would never have mentioned it if I just asked "which FF game would you recommend to me".

Except you don't because you get your ass handed to you if you just work with auto attack.

No, they change what commands you use and organize your party as such, It's a very good system.

You are just using buzzwords

Except you didn't describe the character's personality. you just blindly gave them one trait and said DONE!

No, the fans did ask for it. Look it up, that's the truth. You can't accept that because you don't want to get out of your Echo Chamber.

I listed good reasons for this argument and you have listed shit.

No, I'm for sure that it is you for being the dumb ass with no argument.

If FF12's system was good, then why did they have to overhaul the combat in the IZJS? Good combat stays the same without the need to overhaul things. Tweaks are fine, but not overhauling. You might as well just be admitting that your combat is a failure!

I give crap to FF10 all the time, for being linear, but 10 wasn't a straight line for the first 30 hours of the game. 13 is the culmination of Squarenix going completely out of touch with their consumer base and reality. The first 30 hours are literally void of entertainment. The summon fights were the only things to look forward to for the first 80% of the game. That being said, if they had made FF13 like they did FF13-2. It would of been way more enjoyable for fans of the series. Holistically the game was far more enjoyable. It had interactions, it had variety, it had FUN.

FF12 play's itself about halfway through the game when you get enough gambit pieces and spend a few hours setting up each character for rolls. all of which is optional and only works as well as you know the system
FF13's characters are all AI controlled besides who you got set as the leader. The AI is failed to shit and back but the game still plays itself on auto.

Which is worse. The game with a good story and you have to work to get your self made automation or The game with a shit story and is mostly automated from the start til finish?

Except Steam players tend to drop games in general dude. 99% of steam player don't finish the grand majority of their games! They buy and buy and don't finish games in general.

No it doesn't you fucking mongoloid,instead of manually selecting the actions like previous FF games,you pre set them up to your liking.If you don't like the actions you give the party,than you can manually interrupt them or just not use the gambit.

Even if i list all the problems it has, it does not matter if another player enjoys then. I can find the party system of MMOs very poor but if you enjoy drama on some random guild or ERPing then there is nothing to argue.

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Well...fuck then pick 4 thieves and have fun.

>Except the millions of people who played the game and finished it on console. And the PC version as always been known as the inferior version.
Link me to the PS3 numbers then.

>But that's still multiple attacks and choices. That's more than what any FF game with turn based as ever gotten.
Wrong, almost all of them have more that the player can do at any given moment.

>Except they are very useful and are balanced in a way so you don't spam them over and over in fights.
No, you don't spam them because they're completely useless. Staggering is how you deal damage, not Eidolons.

>Except timing and precision are key factors to beat bosses and get through the game.
Doesn't that describe almost all games?

>No, you are just a fucking faggot then. Go kill yourself dude.
Not an argument.

You say it as if only Steam users don't finish games. It's something endemic across the industry, and why you see many games deciding to go casual.

Why not both? FF is dead after FF9 mate

>Except the millions of people who played the game and finished it on console.
Nice numbers you are pulling out of your ass bro.
We can't accurately tell how many people beat the game on consoles because achievements back then didn't have a tracker back then. You are the only defending XIII in this thread. That should pretty much tell you that a small few people actaully like XIII.
>You are just using buzzwords
What about "Why would I need too? You never said anything about the games. You just harp on and on about FFXIII. Never about what the other games do worse than it. Just what FFXIII does in general." was buzzwords?

You're grasping at straws.

Casual gamers as a whole rarely complete games.
Even the autists on Sup Forums dont complete their games. They lose interest as they go on unless its a game in the lines of overwatch etc.
This is especially true in a platform on steam with so many games available at low prices. You buy a game you will never complete or play just because its cheap even if you dont even like its genre.
My point is that using steam numbers to argue game quality is as silly as using paid reviews.

I just cant believe they made two fucking sequels to this

>If FF12's system was good, then why did they have to overhaul the combat in the IZJS
The only Big overhaul was choosing one class,controlling the esper,and the added in speed up option(Which was in previous FF games had)everything else stayed the same.And theres nothing wrong with updating the battle system with new options.I guess you can call the Persona 3 a shit game because it's battle system was overhaul
>Good combat stays the same without the need to overhaul things.
I guess we can never improve on things and just let everything stay stale as possible.

>You are the only defending XIII in this thread. That should pretty much tell you that a small few people actaully like XIII.
Shit, I don't even hate the game. I enjoy everything but the gameplay to where I can enjoy it just by employing a save editor to skip the grind, and I think both of the gameplays are fantastic.

They're actually quite good 2bh

If you go into something with the mindset that you are going to hate it than you are going to hate it.

Have fun being jaded.

I'm not gonna say that it wasn't a shitty play by SE, but they were way more enjoyable than FFXIII.

Oh it has a pause button on AI. 10/10 game

>People implying that 9 was good instead of a pile of forgettable mediocrity.

8 was far better and more memorable.

I fucking hate neo-Sup Forums

I loved FF13 for what it was and wished for more of it. Instead, we got garbage like FF13-2 and LR.

>But it is better that 5, 11, 12 and 14.

No, it's not.

I notice you don't mention X in there either, which means you think its at least better than V, XI, XII and XIV as well. Which makes you doubly wrong and a fucking idiot.

>FFS, FF14 was a broken piece of shit!

Yes. Was.

Unless we're caught in some sort of fucking time bubble, it is 2017 and XIV was fixed fucking years ago. XIII, in 2017, still has Lightning in it and therefor hasn't been fixed at all.

Okay Toriyama.

Wrong. 3, 5, 8, 11, 12 and 14 have cuter characters and are therefore objectively better than 13.

FF 7 remake in IS NOT TURN BASED.
RRRRREEEEEEEEE!
FUCK THEM
FF IS DEAD

WAifu fags lov FFXIII

but the real waifu is Fran

Any FF has cuter characters than Lightning.

Pretty sure even FF1 manages to pull that off somehow.

No 8>9

You faggots need to put up some objective measures as to what makes a final fantasy game good, its pointless to argue X is better than Y if you compare both and show why its better.

No, because you control the characters in FF13 regardless from chapter 3 onwards. They are not just AI controlled. You control what they do through the Paradigms.

FF13 is much better because it's the better game. If FF12 was the better game, then how come the IZJS had to overhaul the combat and the gameplay?

Not that guy, but yes it does. FF12's combat was slow and monotonous and had to be overhauled

6.2 million people who played on Xbox 360 and PS3 first year basically destroy your arugment. Most of them have finished that game. The finish rate was probably around 5 to 5.5 million.

No, I'm right because you can choose what attacks and effects you can do and mix and match them to your liking.

They are not useless, They work very well and are very smoothly designed. You can't spam the Eidolons over and over. The Stagger System is like the Limit break in FF7.

No, because there is an emphasis on this game when you fight major enemies.

Dude, just STFU and stop your trolling.

Also, Steam users don't usually finish games. Alot of them just buy games for their library.

See above about the 5+million people who clearly finished it.

And you really just need to stop with the "FF13 bad meme" it's not worth it dude.

No, they did far more when they added in buttons that sped up the game, allowed you to control temp memebers, and gave you the IZJS

But 99% of the games don't need to be overhauled in other versions because of what was good.

Except both both FF10 and FF13 are better than them

ARR is a complete new different game built from the ground up as an apology.

No, most of those games do not.

Lightning is better than all of those characters. Hell, she's #1 female character in Japan for FF games.

You can turn off the gambits in the command menu dipshit,I swear do people who shit on FF 12 actually play the game

>instead we got two far better games than the original

ftfy