E-Sports has become an irreversible mistake

I used to be excited about fighting games becoming e-sports. However, in recent years I feel like the whole thing has had an overall negative effect on the FGC, including having regressive effects on how fighting games are developed and presented. Fighting games have now become political and castrated.
I feel some of this is supported by statistics showing that all a fighting game needs to strive is a rich amount of offline casual content (see MK 9 with 7 mil sells while being a terribly unbalanced game).

It's hard for me to describe this feeling but does anyone feel the same?

No

When was the last time MK was at a tournament anyone gave a shit about

Making a lot of money and having an average playtime of

>Sells do not define what people want in a fighting game.

k

Once Evo started dictating what games people play and shit started getting censored, I knew we fucked up.

>RMika's super banned because ESPN broadcast normies might be triggered by buttslams

Yeah it's too bad, but you do know FGC could go grassroots if they wanted to. But they won't, because Capcom controls Street Fighter and SF is the heart of the community. Capcom's where the money is and the players want money.

>Sup Forums-sports when?
Shittalking
No political correctness
Better fun

>Once started dictating

No you faggot the players have always dictated what is played at EVO because entrants trump everything. No one played anime and waifushit before Evo and no one will play if Evo ever disappears.

Not about the money. SF and Marvel have been top since their inception way before there was money. ArcSys games had bigger prize pools and nothing came out of it. Players trained for SBO when SBO generally didn't give good prizes and most were work a day at work or literally nothing.

There was a reason why the FGC in the past wanted to be separate from the ESPAWTS crowd.

Development support for tournaments and stuff is nice though, finding local scenes for whatever game you like is significantly harder if it doesn't have that most of the time.

Playing video games as a career is stupid no matter what genre it is.

If these people put half the time they spent on playing games into building a real career they would have a future in 10 years when they are too old to press buttons as well as the up and coming younger generation.

i want this

Yes it is, if they don't play the game Capcom wants them to there is no prize pool, no sponsors, and thy have to go back to being waiters.

the casual side has nothing to do with eSports. the problem is the professional players that don't have a job nor a a decent degree but a good number of followers that are forced to keep playing shitty games to make money thus making their dumb fanbase play the game. Also if North America wasn't so obsessed with capcom fighters things would not be as bad. During the "dark age" we got a alot of different games franchises beigng played all over the world but NA never cared about them they kept playing Marvel2, 3rd strike and CvS2 (which is not by a long shot the best fighter made).

>8 people get paid in a tournament
>that's why everyone us playing the game

No you faggot. Why was SF so popular before Capcom Cup and big pot bonuses pre-2013? Why didn't ArcSys money atrract anyone at all? Why are there so many pros that don't win shit and purely live off of sponsors?

During the "dark ages" these other games struggked to break 3 digits at any major and still had less numbers than Capcom.3s abd ST were still the big tournament games in Japan, EU was way smaller than it is now, and Latin America never mattered.

fgc was about a bunch of guys having fun. then e-sports and sponsors happened. maximum shilling and jewing occurred. casters be like oh did you know madcatz has hardware. oh these chairs are comfy. sf5 comes w/ no storymode b/c capcom thinks esports will carry them. this shit messed up everything.

I want sources on the numbers. especially with tougeki that hosts elimination matches all across the animeland and the arcsystem own tournament. i don't doubt that SF have more numbers.
and any region that helps a franchise should matters for the FGC. either you being a capcom dick sucker or not. For fucks sake Bamco makes more money with gundamVs than capcom with SF over there. i went to tokyo last year and the gundam machines were always occupied

>RMika's super banned
Source? That would've terrible for her, especially since it's a command grapple.

More offline content is good since not every one who buys fighting games are top ranked online warriors or couch buddies with some one who can also play

Robust tutorials, arcade mode, good ai, and a training mode full of training tools should be in all games to inject new blood in the comunity
Interesting story modes are also good since they make new players want to get involved with the game and learn more about it

If e sports were really poisioning the well, we would be seeing a stronger pull to online only multiplayer games with no offline capabilities, where players are expected to learn by online matches only like in the moba and fps esport communities

Thank God that besides sf, no one else is doing that shit

thats what Sup Forums was before Sup Forums but it was mostly starcraft shit

I knew about the costume switch/ban because of ESPN but I don't think the super ever was.

Nobody played it before, and nobody will play it after, but while EVO is a thing they do.

Are you sure EVO isn't dictating what people play?

>Also if North America wasn't so obsessed with capcom fighters things would not be as bad.
This honestly pisses me off because it's so self-defeating and kills other games.

>GOD SF5 IS A TERRIBLE GAME UGH I HATE IT IT'S SO SHIT
>WHAT WHY AM I GOING TO PLAY KING OF FIGHTERS/GUILTY GEAR/WHATEVER NOBODY WILL PLAY THAT

And then nobody plays the games and everyone sticks with Street Fighter V despite the constant bitching about how bad it is. A couple thousand people talking themselves out of playing a game because they're convinced everyone else will not play it either is so retarded.

>they have """friendlies""" and they """""""""""fistbump"""""""""""
holy shit. this is pathetic, you can hear the fear in his voice.
how can he bicker about all this shit and act like the fgc is squaky clean? have you ever seen the people he describes in tourneys?
do you think autists don't exist in the fgc? just look at kappa, just look at /fgg/.

this is what i'm talking about, at the core, their hatred stems from their fear that smash will take over.
that's understandable but still, keep your theatrics to yourself.

It doesn't matter because they barely congregate and have majors. Latin Americs is fractured.

SBO had multiple Capcom games each year except for one time, but SBO is an event you need to play qualifiers to get into.

Japan had Xmania and the 5 on 5 Gian Recital running with large entrants during the dark ages.

This is a Jap ST tournament in 06. Even modern ArcSys games atruggle to get these numbers in Japan even with prizes now.

The dark ages were the dark ages because the scene didn't grow. Every game has a bigger playerbase now than it did back in 2005.

So isn't EVO helping your game? Withoyt EVP it woukd be SF and Marvel 24/7.

Do you miss the FOTM entrants for games like Persona, KoF, and Mortal Kombat? Do you ever think that maybe these ither games have oroblems players don't want to deal with as well?

Just wear deodorant

>I used to be excited about fighting games becoming e-sports.
If you actually listened to most TOs you would've known extremely early that's a bad fucking idea for a community that holds raw personality in pride.

They should just embrace atypical fighting games like for honor and smash instead of being autistic kids.