Nintendo Switch Pro Controller -- $69.99

>Nintendo Switch Pro Controller -- $69.99.
>Joy-Con Controller Sets -- $79.99.
>Individual L/R Joy-Con Controllers -- $49.99.
>Joy-Con Charging Grip -- $29.99.
>Nintendo Switch Dock Set -- $89.99.
>128GB Micro SD -- $38.38.
>Average Game -- $59.99.

I've seen people adding up all these things to inflate what the Switch costs, but half of these things are literally unnecessary.
Now I'm not going to lie and say that the Switch is reasonably priced since $299.99 with no game is ridiculous for what we actually get but lets be reasonable with how we look at what is needed.

>Pro Controller
As someone who has owned a Wii and Wii U I can attest that a pro controller is not necessary. It is still priced well for what it has.
The Dualshock 4 released at $59.99 and added touchpad and light capabilities to the dualshock features(and how many games actually use it). For just $10 more you get HD rumble and gyro controls on the pro controller(the latter of which is already present in Wii U games).

>Joy-con set/singles
Switch comes packed in with 2 Joy-cons. You can put them together to make 1 large controller or split them to make 2. This means out the box you have 2 controllers available to you(no other console does this). There is no need to buy more unless you plan on playing 4 player split screen which if you do you would only have to spend $80 for 2 additional controllers vs $100 for 2 controllers on other consoles today.

>Charging grip
The Wii U gamepad had a shit battery life. I found myself having to leave it plugged in while playing games like Splatoon if I wanted to play longer than an hour. A charge grip makes since if the Joy-cons had the battery life of the gamepad, but it doesn't. 20 hours of playtime is ridiculously long and since the Switch charges the Joy-cons you wont need the grip to charge since you would most likely put your joy-cons on the Switch when you're done

>Dock
Now this is dumb. Why would you need another dock? Buying another dock to play on multiple tvs is like buying another console to play on multiple tvs. Just no

>Micro SD
32 gb is abysmal and would be suicide if Sony or Microsoft released a console with that. But Nintendo is different. Games do not instal to the system as they play directly from the disc/card. Unless you buy digitally there is no need to get a SD for more memory. If you do buy digitally stop being lazy. Spending more on a SD just so you don't have to go to the store to buy a card is just hurting you.

Buying only what you would need
>console
>pro controller(debatable
>game
You would spend about $430
Doing the same for the PS4 on release you would spend about $520.
tl;dr stop being poor

The average game isn't $60, that's the maximum price we've seen. Several games are cheaper even for day 1 physical discs. 1 2 Switch, Bomberman, BOI:Afterbirth+, and a few others will start at under $60.

Seriously though the prices are fine. If you want a good 1st party controller, Nintendo gives you the option without charging you $150 like the Elite controller. If you want a cheaper option, Hori has a fucking $30 pro controller with extras like Turbo on them. No excuses there.

>As someone who has owned a Wii and Wii U I can attest that a pro controller is not necessary. It is still priced well for what it has.
>The Dualshock 4 released at $59.99 and added touchpad and light capabilities to the dualshock features(and how many games actually use it). For just $10 more you get HD rumble and gyro controls on the pro controller(the latter of which is already present in Wii U games).
You also get a few other things, like Amiibo support. The Pro controller literally has an NFC reader to scan your Amiibo in, and those things cost a decent chunk of change.

>The Dualshock 4 released at $59.99
Is that why it's still selling at $60 in some places with a price drop of $10?

>Doing the same for the PS4 on release you would spend about $520.
And if this was the current gen's release the price would've been fine.

But it's not. It's four years later. The competition has dropped prices, and no matter how new your product is, you still have to compete against the existing market.

You don't have a performance bonus that lets you overlook shortcomings, as consoles at launch usually do. You're entering the market mid-gen. If you're not exceptional, you're in trouble.

>Now this is dumb. Why would you need another dock? Buying another dock to play on multiple tvs is like buying another console to play on multiple tvs. Just no
Actually I can argue for this one. Let's say a kid has divorced parents, and wants to play games at both houses. Just get 2 docks, one for each room in each house, and the console itself is super fucking easy to transport without any wires and power bricks (not that the Switch has a power brick) to carry around. The Switch is small enough to even fit in a school backpack while INSIDE of a protector case, so the kid can get picked up from school and I don't have to hear him bitch that he likes it at his fucking moms house because she can AFFORD A FUCKING WIIU AND I CAN'T BECAUSE I PAID FOR THAT GODDAMN WIIU WITH CHILD SUPPORT IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE GOD DAMN IT KIDS CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS SHIT.


Anyway I'll be buying a dock separate from a console.

OP, I'm going to try to have an actual discussion here. I'm picking up a Switch for Botw, all the other inevitable Nintendo games, and hopefully some indie titles. I get why a lot of the components are expensive considering the other consoles controllers, and the tech inside these/ R&D for them,whatever fine. Still pricey but fine.

Why the fuck is an additional dock $80? What is the purpose behind this? I absolutely don't think it's necessary to get a second dock, but I have a TV in my studio office and a TV I play games on at home, and it would be extremely convenient to not have to carry around the dock itself.

Even $30 would be asking a bit much honestly. Why is it $80?

>Nintendo Switch Pro Controller -- $69.99.
Not needed, Never needed. Price increase because of NFC reader and Gyro, third party controllers are $30 if you need a gamepad. Do Not Buy a Pro.

>Joy-Con Controller Sets -- $79.99.
Best option for 4 players, not needed in general though.

>Individual L/R Joy-Con Controllers -- $49.99.
Jewing to the max, it's set at 50 because of the Right joycon though. The left is cheap to make.

>Joy-Con Charging Grip -- $29.99.
Not really needed as Joycons have a 20 hour battery life. Useful if you want a normal controller feel or a separate dock for two other joycons. Not needed.

>Nintendo Switch Dock Set -- $89.99.
Never needed. Just unplug it and plug it back into another fucking tv.

>128GB Micro SD -- $38.38.
The only reasonable purchase.

>Average Game -- $59.99.Nintendo said that they'll have flexible pricing, and as it's industry standard, not a big deal.

Tl;dr: Buy a third party pro controller

I'm betting nintendo will reveal a new dock with seperate preformance to upgrade the Switch instead of the tablet itself.

1440p-4k Dock, multiple colors. to keep the handheld cheap and offer a "pro" version.

Two years from now there will be a Nintoddler edition specifically marketed towards the handheld community with dummy joycons (No gyros or IR readers) fixed to the tablet.

Honestly the only super egregious price is the dock. It would still be pricey if its price was slashed in half. But 300$ for a brand new console with essentially 2 controllers is honestly pretty good. 80$ for 2 wii remotes is not wonderful but nothing to complain about. The pro controller is pretty pricey but all first-party normal controllers are artificially pricey this gen.

>PS4 Bundled with game $250
>Extra controller $60 (they cost 70 where I live)
$310 for the old product with a $50 discount, a fine deal

>Switch $300
>Game $60
$360 with two controllers, portable, more expensive but has more advantages for extra $50

I think it's a nice price, even though I wish it could be cheaper.

I understand that but the dock isn't that hard to carry around either. If a kid is moving from place to place he'll carry a backpack with more stuff for sure and a dock won't make much difference.

>Why the fuck is an additional dock $80? What is the purpose behind this

It comes with the AC adapter and an HDMI cable. High quality AC adapters and HDMI cables cost $20-$30 normally, right?

If you NEEDED a dock for the system, or it didn't come with one (like a pro controller) I could understand it, but a dock package isn't that bad at $80. Third parties will release docks much cheaper, and Nintendo will have docks without the extra shit for maybe $15 or $20 eventually. They priced 2 joycon-wheels in a box for $12, or $6 each, so they aren't ultra-inflating the plastic, just selling higher quality cords and adapters at a premium price.

HDMI cables cost pennies, it's a negligible inclusion.

>I'm betting nintendo will reveal a new dock
What baffles me is that the dock itself has pretty much nothing on the back side. It's mainly empty aside from the cable ports. Why not put the ethernet in there? That shit would fit and there would still be room for much more.
I have no doubt they'll upgrade it in the future.

Why does the dock have an air conditioner adapter?

I get that there are people that sell hdmi cords for $30. If you buy hdmi cords for $30, you are being scammed. Same goes for ac adapters, bough a very good fast charger with 3 cords for usb3. 1 > usb c for a grand total of $17 just last week. Even if it comes with both of those things, $50 would be a high price. But $80 is simply ludicrous.

I'll be waiting on those 3rd party docks.

>Higher quality cords and adapters

I mean maybe the connectors are less likely to get bent pins but I really doubt it. Do you also think monster cables are higher quality?

It's probably payment to Nvidia. The Pascal chip might've cost Ninty a fuckton, but they know the Wii U did shit partially because of the price, so they take out a big loss on the actual Switch but the funds come back in the form of the peripherals.

Not including an ethernet port on the dock was a big mistake IMO, especially if they're trying to step up their online enough to expect us to pay for it this time around. Really surprised they didn't think that through as other aspects of the system indicate they are listening, and lack of ethernet port was a pretty big talking point when it was revealed about the Wii U.

>$35 for usb-c adapter
>$5 hdmi cable
>$40 for the dock
Seems about right

That's how it provides cooling so it can overclock in docked mode :^)

>40$ for a plastic rectangle
>seems right
how?

Foxconn leak states they do have one that does that, with some specs that apparently indicate a GTX 1060, but they obviously haven't revealed it yet.

Maybe they'll reveal it at E3 along with a price drop, and early adopters get the beefy dock for free

>additional cooling for console
>increases performance
If it was just a piece of plastic then it would be no more than $15 but there is extra technology in it

I'm glad we're seeing some positivity about the Switch as launch draws closer, I'm excited.

If you're sure the quality difference doesn't actually matter you're free to just buy 3rd party stuff. The docks will absolutely have cheap 3rd party options, I'd expect someone like Hori to make one for like $10 for the dock and then you can buy whatever AC adapter and HDMI cable you want (if you don't already own those).

there is no additional technology in the dock, nintendo has confirmed this themselves. it can run better in docked mode because it doesn't have to worry about battery drain. it's underclocked in handheld mode.

There's no chance they're taking a loss on a $300 Switch. It might be barely profitable, like costing $295 to make one at first, but they aren't losing money at a price like that. It wouldn't surprise me if they cost just under $250 total.

I doubt they'll reveal new add-ons so soon.
But it would make me want to buy one if they did that.
Despite the fact that the handheld itself is kinda weak, this approach of selling everything else in separate pieces makes it so that they can change whatever the heck they want in the future without really needing to replace the base hardware. It's stupid, yet smart.

They should have announced two packs of the switch, one weaker and cheaper and another stronger but relatively more expensive.

They already confirmed they're not selling it at a loss. They didn't say anything about the profit margin, though, but considering it'd be in their best interest to make it as affordable as they can, it can't be much.

>it can run better in docked mode because it doesn't have to worry about battery drain
or the heat. a hot portable will hurt your hands, a hot console will not.

The Wii U was sold at a loss for months when it was released, even the premium black ones.

Sure $300 is a bit less than it was in 2012 but it's still possible the Pascal chip is an expensive little bugger

They are going to be the exact same my guy. Cheaper plastic at worst, but I'm pretty sure that won't constitute a $70 difference in price. So yeah, I'm stuck buying lower quality because Nintendo plans on making up profit loss on all their stupid decisions by ripping off dumb American parents, as per usual. Nintendo Seal of Quality amirite? It's not like they sell refurbished products new in box anyways!

Yeah, the falseflagging and shitposting dies down as the retards go find something else to do, they can't keep their attention on anything but the newest hot topic to shitpost on.

"Look, PS4 lost an exclusive! Better go make fun of that instead of the Switch now!"

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy.

There's no way they aren't taking a loss on the system if they choose that price with no games packed in.
Making a profit at the current price means they have room to add their tech demo as a pack in game instead of charging $50 for it.
Having a game out the box is what helped the Wii sell

Do you just enjoy being a man child with no sense of value? Or is it uncontrollable?

Two Switches would've split the development to the things. The main reason the Switch was made was to merge their software divisions so there's one console that's getting ALL the games.

The problem is that they keep saying this is NOT what happens. That the previous lines still get support and games. So you can't even reliably say "this is the future, this will get games, at the very least the usual from this company".

>the falseflagging and shitposting dies down as the shitposters find out that retards will eat anything their favorite company shits on teir plate

They're keeping the 3DS alive though.

For like a year. Once the Swith picks up steam, they'll drop development for it by the end of the year and will tell people to buy Switches for Christmas.

>Comparative justification

The hardware is shit. The software is shit. The Accessories are shit.

Endpoint.

i'll just wait for an emulator rofl

Emulator? It's a literal tablet. My money is on people porting the Switch OS to better tablet hardware or even PCs as a dual bootor virtual machine.

Probably more than a year. But the Switch is nicely positioned to slowly absorb 3DS developers if it does get some momentum going. Eventually the bump in hardware capability will be hard to resist for developers when combined with a not-bad-and-growing install base. At least that's the optimistic vision.

What they've said seems like a response given to please investors rather than informing consumers.

They're just trying to downplay the fact that two consoles, rather than the usual one, are going to eventually see their support drop.

Yeah, but that's not how you attract customers.

>all this switch shilling

my god i cant take it

In canada, the switch costs 50 dollars more than the regular ps4, which comes with a game and 500gb while the switch does not come with a game and is only 32 gb. and is less powerful. the price is so shitty, the switch should cost like 300-350 CAD instead of 400

It would be like the PS4 Pro or the New 3DS. Maybe 1 or 2 exclusives, but the reason to get it is to play the SAME games upscaled or with more RAM so better speed.

Whatever you do, not everybody is gonna jump ships to the Switch day one, so it'd be foolish to ignore your 60 million user base there when you could be selling them some games until they make the Switch.
The 3DS is only getting a handful of games more anyway, so they'll go get a Switch once games they want get released there.

...

But you can't play games on the go with a PS4. Nor can you play Breath or the Wild, nor Splatoon, nor Xenoblade, nor ARMS, nor Mario Odyssey, nor Pokemon...

How much does a vita cost with a game. Since that is what the switch will really be competing with

but muh it's the same as american because the exchange rate at the current moment :^)

yeah the canadian price is pretty shit

Something you seem to be unable to comprehend is "console life".

The PS4 has 2-5 years of console life left, depending on how the Pro impacts things and how long the PS4 gets support after the PS5 is out.

The Switch will have 5 to 7 years of support, and it could even be better if they treat it like the 3DS which launched March 2011 and is still getting big games like Mario Sports Mix and Fire Emblems and Fire Emblem Warriors and Yoshi's Wooly Anus in 2017.

You pay more for new consoles because it's new tech and the console has a full life ahead of it, not a half-life.

No, realistically you'd need to add a PS4+Vita price together, because the Switch is way stronger than a Vita and although it isn't as strong as a PS4 it's still 1080p 60fps capable in home console mode.

More than a year. Even Atlus is getting ready for a new SMT game on the 3DS.

>The PS4 has 2-5 years of console life left
I don't see the Pros flying off the shelves. And both Nintendo and Microsoft are launching new systems this year, so it doesn't bode well for the PS4.

why did nintendo even bother with the shitty 3ds mario maker? they could have held off and done a switch port instead at launch or something like that. and it wouldn't have been gimped to shit.

>it's still 1080p 60fps capable in home console mode.
Except while playing Zelda and probably some 3rd parties

Yeah, I'd bet on 2 years, but I put 2-5 just because some 3rd parties might still be releasing some half-decent games in 3 years, even if all true support for the system is gone.

Either way, the point is that unlike the PS4 the Switch has a FULL life ahead of it. Even the WiiU, a flop (that was still profitable but swept under the rug for something better), managed to get a full 5 years since it's still getting BOTW at all.

Because quick bucks. I'd rather wait for them to make a proper Mario Maker 2, with a Mario 2 editor and costumes working on every mode or even outright different characters with different properties instead of just costumes.

I'll probably wait a bit and buy an used switch with a broken screen for like $50 or something like that and only use it as a console.

it might be new tech but it isnt more powerful than the ps4 or xbone

if I look at the switch as a handheld, its the best one ever made, but as a console it is pretty craptastic and so is the asking price

"capable" does not mean "guaranteed".

Note that PS4 and Xbone can't do 1080p OR 60fps consistently either.

MK8D is a consistent 1080p 60fps on Switch, and a consistent 720p 60fps in handheld and tabletop modes. Smash will be the same when it comes, considering unlike MK8 on WiiU Smash 4 actually hit 1080p 60fps on WiiU.

in the US the switch probably still costs more than the ps4 when it should either be the same price or lower

Power isn't everything. The 3DS is 240p and sold fuckloads.

>Doing the same for the PS4 on release you would spend about $520.
The PS4 wasn't weaker than last gen consoles on release though

OK that is where you're wrong. The PS4 has been out for years and has had price cuts. The Switch is brand new and furthermore has capabilities that you're ignoring because you think the cost of the GPU+CPU is all that matters. I would have been a lot happier if it was 250 USD don't get me wrong, but 300 is a fair enough launch price.

The Switch is a lot stronger than any other 8th gen portable system.

How long it's been out doesn't really matter when they're still comparable. Releasing the same thing again doesn't entitle you to charge more. If you want to charge more, you have to release something better, no matter how old the competition is.

Neither is the Switch. It's stronger than the WiiU, Xbox 360, and PS3. It's also a hybrid, meaning you can optionally compare it to the Vita and 3DS and see it literally skipped 2 generations of advances all at once.

Switch
>400 CAD
>32 gb
>does not come with a game
>extra controller (joycons) - 100 CAD+40 for the charging grip
>(slightly) less powerful
>total cost for system, game, extra controller: $620
>add an sd card to catch up to ps4s storage +300
>920 canadian dollars

PS4
>350 CAD
>500 gb
>comes with uncharted 4
>extra controller - 75 CAD
>system/game/extra controller - $425

Let's set this thing straight right now. The Switch is a 9th gen system. It is also at least stronger than the Wii U, the Vita and the 3DS, and we still don't know if it's above or below the Xbox one.

anyone that isnt rich or a nintenbabby wont buy the console in canada for these reasons

to me it seems that the switch is just a tiny power upgrade from the wii u

This. Anyone saying the PS4 and Xbone are "last gen" is retarded. They're current gen, just like the Switch will be in 2 months.

The concept of generations is flawed anyway. When you view consoles as a timeline, there aren't strict gaps anymore. The Switch is not magically some 9th gen machine because it comes out 2017, it's just "hey here's something really strong for right now, but you don't need to label it as if it's supposed to compete with a PS5 in a few years because it's a unique machine with a hybrid form".

>ignoring that switch comes with an extra controller already
>implying you need charge grip
other than that yes i agree the canadian price is too high

We don't know the full specs yet, and while it's visibly more powerful, the first batch of games is not a good indicator. The main point is that the Switch is a portable first and a home console second, and as a portable it blows out of the water all the 8th gen portables.

>extra controller that is actually half a controller

I honestly don't understand why they didn't just include the JC charging grip. other than wanting to nickle and dime people to death

It's as strong as a WiiU... in handheld mode. In console mode it far passes it.

Look at Mario Kart. WiiU had to be set to 720p60fps, and they ALSO had to limit it to 30fps during splitscreen so it would be stable and not drop frames. The Switch version in handheld mode is 720p 60fps... and doesn't need to switch framerate at all in handheld mode, it's confirmed to ALWAYS be 60fps by the Treehouse. Now look at console mode, and see the game runs 1080p 60fps, even in splitscreen.

It's a hell of a lot stronger than the WiiU, even when it underclocks itself in handheld mode it can pass it slightly.

>The main point is that the Switch is a portable first and a home console second
But they keep saying it's a home console?

(seriously, this hybrid thing is going to hurt them big time, no one knows what it's supposed to do)

>8 buttons and 1 stick
You won't need more for most of the games.

If you can play 2player games with them, there's two controllers. You can't do that with one PS4 controller. If you're going to include the extra pair of joycons, you should compare it to buying 3 more PS4 controllers, because the comparison is having support for 4 players.

the system is just not for me then, because I like home consoles more and i still enjoy my 3ds anyway

also i bet youll see a ton of stories where people get their switch's nabbed out of their hands in public and stolen

It sure is, and as a home console is also a lot more powerful than its predecessor.

Because you don't need one unless you're playing 21 hours straight in TV mode.

The concept of "generations" is not based on any real metric. It's a terminology, and a construct of semantics. Is the PS4 Pro a gen 9 console? Why not, does it arbitrarily not count even though it has different hardware than a PS4 does? Was the OUYA a gen 8 console? No, it was a toy.

The Switch isn't in any generation, it's a console released between the PS4 Pro and Project Scorpio. It doesn't directly compete with those devices because it offers a different experience than they do, with hybrid gaming schemes and completely different libraries of content.

USBC limitations.
This would just pack to much into one single port
Switch has AC, that's ~800MB/s, do you think you need more for online?

It's not bandwidth people are concerned with. It's latency and connection stability.

>The main point is that the Switch is a portable first and a home console second

HAHAHAHAH

>Reggie Fils-Aime stated, "At its heart, [Switch is] a home console that you can take with you

>“Nintendo Switch is a home console you can play anywhere, with anyone.

>I like home consoles more and i still enjoy my 3ds anyway
You can use a Switch both as a console and a 3DS replacement.

>switch's nabbed out of their hands in public and stolen
Well, that depends on where you live. I see people using tablets all the time here in my city.

It does both, and it won't hurt them. It doesn't have to do ANYTHING "first", and the ads reflect that by showing BOTH sides.

Do you want a new home console? You can buy a Switch and use it as one.

Do you want a new handheld? You can buy a Switch and use it as one.

There is no "oh, you need to stop playing in console mode now since this is a handheld" pop up, the console is completely viable in both forms. As a handheld it's extremely powerful and extremely energy efficient, as a home console it's slightly weak (still a big jump from the WiiU) while being very energy efficient and coming with perks like "doesn't automatically turn off during power outages losing your progress or bricking your system", even ignoring the true hybrid nature of it.

There is no need to argue semantics over it, it's a unique object and the value of what it can offer is undetermined as of this point. It looks good, but we'll have to find out in March.

5GHz is a big improvement. Connecting Ethernet via USBC would've been much less reliable.
Oh, and imagine taking the Switch out of the dock to keep playing on the shiter while playing online. Ethernet on the dock would just be disconnected immediately.

This whole argument about home-console-first or handheld-first is pure pedantry. It's both at once. It's somewhere inbetween. Yes, it's an untested concept and we'll have to see how much the market is interested. But I think it could carve out a nice niche for Nintendo moving forward.

or i could use a ps4 which is cheaper and still use my 3ds

Even then, power gamers that just chug energy drinks and refuse to sleep can charge the joycon for 5 minutes while they shit, even if they play the game on the toilet at the time. it charges 20 hours worth in 3.5 hours, meaning you get almost 6 hours of charge from 1 hour of charging, and a single 5 minute break will extend your playtime almost a full hour.

>5GHz is a big improvement.
... If your router can do it.

Plus tip.

I get they have great battery life but, rather than going through the extra hassle of disconnecting and reconnecting the JC just to charge them when not in use you can just charge them in the grip.