Do you blame Joel for his actions?

Do you blame Joel for his actions?


Or was he justified?

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That depends on how attached were (you) with the character.
And i agree. Totally justified.

Does the story make this game worth finishing? Got up to the area for getting the car was completely bored of the gameplay. Stealth sections were boring as shit.

Play on higher difficulty then

I can't remember who said it but that game can be summed up with the phrase, "Fuck you, got mine".

As for the characters I kinda wished they all would've died and it be the end of this mediocre third person walkathon.

Did literally nothing wrong.

This guy knows

People still believe that he doomed the human race. They seriously think that introducing a vaccine for the virus would stop all the humans looting, murdering, and eating each other. I would dare say it would make it worse.

HOW WAS HE JUSTIFIED

SHE WAS GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD

Nothing to blame, both sides were fucking retarded
One was prepared to kill their one immune nigga for the "chance" of a cure. Shit wasn't even guaranteed and they'd only fuck themselves over if it didn't work.
The other was just selfish and didn't really care about anything else.

>Marlene tells you Ellie is unique and the only immune person
>she is lying through her teeth, as you can find out through notes and audio diaries that there were more immune people, and every single one of them died during surgery, and the fireflies were no closer to figuring out a cure after killing all of them
>it's possible the only way for humanity as a whole to survive is for immune people to breed, which can't happen if the fireflies kill them all while trying to figure out a "cure" which may not even be possible (what if they ran out of immune people before finding a cure? "whoops")
>audio diaries also reveal that if the fireflies got a cure, they would use it as leverage to become the new government, and admit to wanting to control the supply it to make people do whatever they want

the only people who think Joel are wrong are naive people, and ones who didn't explore and find all the notes, and are therefore misinformed

Ellie was just one more immune person out of dozens they had already killed, and there was nothing to say that she was unique among them and that she alone held the key to the cure

But it was better after.

>>Saving humanity
>>Saving one single girl

Well, what could possibly be the right thing to do? No, seriously. Humanity always gets nasty, when there are no threads around.

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>Did literally nothing wrong.

He didn't fug Ellie though.

Yeah my dude

Literally from anyone's perspective but his own he basically doomed the world because "muh daughter died and my daddy instincts kicked in"

On the other hand that's how humans work so it was expected of him and one would naturally feel bad if that's not how it were to go, but objectively it was a terrible thing to do.

Ellie even wanted to sacrifice herself.

>as you can find out through notes and audio diaries that there were more immune people, and every single one of them died during surgery
Where did this meme originate? There are no such audio logs. The fireflies never found anyone else with the mutation.

The Fireflies were just incompetent and deserved to get murk'd.

I guess the question is more was whether he was right to take away Ellie's choice to die. Yeah the world is shit and she lost people but how is she different from anyone else? All her death would have accomplished was maybe be a propaganda tool for a dying group.

The misunderstanding probably comes from this audio log:
>April 28th. Marlene was right. The girl's infection is like nothing I've ever seen. The cause of her immunity is uncertain. As we've seen in all past cases, the antigenic titers of the patient's Cordyceps remain high in both the serum and the cerebrospinal fluid. Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab... however white blood cell lines, including percentages and absolute-counts, are completely normal. There is no elevation of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and an MRI of the brain shows no evidence of fungal-growth in the limbic regions, which would normally accompany the prodrome of aggression in infected patients.

The "past cases" weren't immune - otherwise, why would the infection be "like nothing I've ever seen."

>thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Surgeon's_Recorder

I was wrong about one thing; apparently she was different to the "past cases" the fireflies had recieved
whether this means they would have CERTAINLY found a cure from killing her is still up-in the air

but yeah, she wasn't the only immune person

>it's possible the only way for humanity as a whole to survive is for immune people to breed
We don't know if Ellie's immunity is genetic or if it stems from some other cause.

>she wasn't the only immune person
There's literally no evidence of this.

the diary explicitly mentions "past cases" after talking about her immunity

why would he not just say "like normal people" or "like everyone else" or "like infected samples/corpses"?
"past cases" implies they had other people who were immune, but Ellie was different to them somehow

You should probably test for that, rather than scramble her brains within the first day she arrives.

That's literally the reason why he did what he did. The whole game is a covert explanation for his actions at the ending of the game. Everything from his brother bringing up his past, to the opening showing the death of his daughter, to him acquiring a surrogate and the realization that he's actually a bit insane towards the end of the game.

And then he immediately goes into detail of how the infection affects the body, which would not be the case for someone who is immune.

I was only miffed at how the final battle didnt quite add up

>mostly fighting starving thugs and blind zombies armed with rocks and the occasional pistol up till the end
>Game is atmospheric and gameplay requires you to use the tricks and stealth to whittle down their numbers gradually

>last battle
>FUCK YEAR SHOOTAN TIME RIP AND TEAR
>A platoon of well fed and well equipped not-quite-military who are armed with AR-15s and grenades poses little threat to you

>voice recordings and notes saying there were previous immunes and all attempts to synthesize a vaccine were utter failures
>b-but it would totally work this time, guise!

>Ellie is apparently the last chance humanity has
>Joel steals her back
>soldiers open fire on him and put Ellie at risk
lmao Firefags a shit

>SHE WAS GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD

No she wasn't

That never happened, user.
You're mixing it with the lies Joel told to Ellie.

Not at all. As far as I'm concerned, he's just as wrong as Marlene, which means he's not at fault.

He didn't do the right thing, he did the in-character thing. Joel's a broken, lonely old man who cannot deal with loss. Ellie was essentially a replacement daughter. Even if Marlene could make a cure and save the world, do you really think Joel would let his daughter die all over again?

It's because the greatest monster in that world is THE MAN

Not him, but he's right. Somewhere it's stated there were others and they were essentially killed for nothing. Besides, how else would they know the process results in the death of the subject?

Will there ever be a zombie story where the theme doesn't boil down to
>Humans are the real monsters?

this. they killed all other subjects trying to make a cure from them. how the fuck does everyone miss this part of the story?

Literally when?

in the firefly lab near the end of the game

You mean this:

>no way of transporting a hypothetical cure to people in need
>the government hates the shit out of the fireflies and probably won't work with them
>this is a LEL HUMANS ARE THE REAL MONSTER setting so it doesn't really matter anyway because bandits and cannibal clans are a bigger threat

no, theres a tape or document that talks about 12 subjects that they tried to get a cure from but couldn't, and if ellie would still go through with the idea.

That was Yahtzee

>thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Surgeon's_Recorder
>thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Marlene's_Recorder_1
>thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Marlene's_Journal
>thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Marlene's_Recorder_2
That's all there is.

>well now that's she's alive maybe she will at least pass the immunity genes to her children
>nah i'm a lesbian
i fucking hate when protags care more about muhselves instead of the greater good, of sacrifice for the good of the world

Just because she kissed another grill doesn't mean she can't take the D.
Or get inseminated.

there's still hope

People who have sex with her would probably get infected

There is no good in their world. Her sacrifice would do nothing. Cure or not. That was kind of the point of the ride.

Why should he give the girl he essentially adopted to the world when the world has never given anything back to him? Should the so-called 'good guys' - the Fireflies - take the life of this young girl, like the 'good guys' of the past - the military - took the life of his real daughter when all he wanted was help?

Joel did nothing wrong. Fuck the world, let he live in peace with his new daughter. Let the girl grow up and live her own life instead of sacrificing herself for a 'cause'.

I don't care because the entire game is fucking retarded.

fireflies had no idea what they're doing, they would of just botched it

No, because zombies are boring by themselves.

>justified
But Druckmann gonna turn that against him in TLOU2 for sure

I'm sure it'll be brought up in the sequel. Ellie probably will have to decide in the end if she kills or saves Joel.

What will she do? What would you have she do if you had the choice?

You add a 3rd element... Robots!

Consider: instead of dragging Ellie across the country and putting her life in danger, Joel should've simply settled down and bred her like crazy to produce a new race of immune qts.

And you will know my name is the Lord. As I lay me vengeance upon thee.

He was a tard

>Dooming the human race to extinction because of his loli-lust

Totally justified.

Joel put his life in the line to save Ellie in the first game, hell, the hospital was a suicide mission, of course she should save him.
But I'm not the writer, Druckmann is, and we know how he sees Joel's actions.
o.canada.com/technology/gaming/the-last-of-us-how-the-games-creator-envisions-its-ending

>Do you blame Joel for his actions?
>Or was he justified?

There is no right or wrong in this scenario, there is only one side or the other and both have their moral arguments as to which is 'correct'.

The true is that neither ones are correct. Joel acted like a father would. That's the only thing you can say. Whether he was right or not is irrelevant.

>People praise the story
>Literally saw every "twist" coming from a mile away because its predictable and trite teenager writing

Want a cookie?

Congratulations?

The game went too far out of its way to remove any doubt that Joel did the right thing.

Between the Fireflies being absolute shitheads, humanity being "fucked anyway," on top of the risk of it not working in the first place, the deck is stacked in Joel's favor. There was no reason for him to believe that it would have resulted in anything but Ellie dying pointlessly.

Which is shitty writing, but hey.

>single handedly destroyed any chance for a cure for humanity.

Even if they didn't find a cure from Ellie at least they would've still had a team of capable people would there ever be another opportunity.
But nooooo he had to fucking kill er'body.

No, I just want to know why Sonyfags praise this shit when the story is lame as fuck

Thanks

He doesn't think of Joel as a bad guy, though. People urged him to change the ending of TLoU back when it was still just testers playing, asked him to add a choice option, but he stuck with it. People asked him why he made Joel a villain and he said "Do you think he's a villain? I don't see him as a bad person"

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>(You) praise this post
>Literally saw you were a pcfag coming from a mile away because of your predictable and trite mustardrace writing

People like you who think this juveinile garbage is good writing are the reason that video games will never be considered art

Yeah, the ending was open to interpretation, no doubt. But then he goes and says how Ellie feels or why Joel did those things, making a canon interpretation.
Being Druckmann alone this time, I have a bad vibe from TLOU2.

>but pc!
come on son