>RE4 comes out
>RESIDENT EVIL NEEDED THIS OR IT WOULD HAVE DIED! IT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED INTO AN ACTION SERIES!
>RE7 comes out
>RESIDENT EVIL NEEDED THIS OR IT WOULD HAVE DIED! IT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED INTO A HORROR SERIES!
I'm gonna repost this everyday until RE4 fans admit they were always wrong
This is such a stupid oversimplification
It's really not
another re7marketer thread yay
You're ignoring the context for both releases
What the fuck, I thought you left.
RE4 is great. I'll admit nothing.
I'll see you tomorrow.
if you havent explain more than you already have, even if it's just one word more, then it is
Both were turning points that the franchise desperately needed because the formula was getting stale on both ends of the spectrum.
If RE didn't do 4 it would have taken the path of Silent Hill, and we all know how poorly that ends.
Your move OP.
Resident Evil was Capcoms top selling franchise, beating out Street Fighter and Mega Man PRIOR to RE4 coming out
Here's the facts: RE4 and shithead Mikami needed Resident Evil, Resident Evil didn't need RE4
>That scene where his momma dies
>EVen in mourning he still contains some sort of blissful innocence that doesnt break him as he holds her hand taking her last breath
never will i cry so hard at a film again
poor jack...
silent hill failed because it was whored out to western devs who had no idea what made the franchise successful
completely different
>RE7 comes out
>RESIDENT EVIL NEEDED THIS OR IT WOULD HAVE DIED! IT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED INTO A HORROR SERIES!
Said literally no one ever.
this, RE5 and RE6 are two of the best selling entries in the series.
RE7 is already underperforming, it's literally the DmC debacle all over again.
RE4 is a better game than RE7
RE4 is a better game than every RE
Its not a matter of whether the series needed to be an action or horror game or something inbetween in, it was a matter of the games being good.
So to maintain your manchild delusion that Japs are magical electronic craftsmen who shit perfection, you wiped all memory of Silent Hill 4 from your brain?
That's dedication.
>The formula was getting stale
..which is why RE4 had one of the worst launch sales up to that point? Even 5 and 6 which are considered to be financial failures did better.
Right now RE2 is right behind it only due to the sheer amount of ports 4 has.
Once the RE2 remake happens it'll fucking destroy 4 in sales.
Funny how REmaster did so well if "the formula got stale"
SH4 was a rebranded horror game that hoped the rename would help it sell better in the west
>RE4 comes out.
>Its my birthday.
>OH MY FUCK I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS I'M SO EXCITED!
>Buy that shit up.
>Coming home.
>Oh boy I had so much fun with RE1,2,3. Especially 2!
>OH SHIT AND REMAKE! FUCK MY LIFE REMAKE WAS FANTASTIC!
>Pop that fucker in.
>Its action.
>Monsters turn into goo piles that drop infinite ammo.
>No strategy anymore to ammo conservation, or juking.
>Pew pew pew shoot the blue pew ima bug.
Then, later in life.
>Get RE5
>Eh, I like it, its not what I want, but the gameplay is better I guess.
RE6?
>Dont get it until I find it in the bargain bin.
>Cant even finish Leons story without falling asleep.
RE7?
>Beat it 6 times and got all trophies.
7/10 would enjoy again.
But still, Remake blows its ass.
Sales for RE were dropping before RE4 came out, especially RE3, Code Veronica, RE0, Outbreak, etc. It wasn't a dying franchise, but it was clear that they were pushing the limits of what they could do in that style of game. RE wasn't in dire need of a restructuring, but it was starting to lose steam and had Capcom kept doing what they were doing, the series would have surely started to become troubled.
Then RE4 comes out and is a fresh take that everyone loved and is so popular that it needs to get ported to every fucking system ever made and several that don't exist because that's how fucking gang busters it was. Ports of the game still to this day sell millions of copies, which is fucking insane. Capcom saw the popularity but didn't understand what it was that made it popular. They thought people wanted RE to be more western and action oriented because RE4 was more western and action oriented compared to the other RE games, so they pushed it further and further in that direction making a bunch of games no one really liked and damaged the brand. Once again, sales started dropping for the series in a big way. It was similarly not a dying franchise, but had Capcom kept doing what they were doing, the series would have surely started to become troubled.
Are you seeing the fucking pattern yet? Capcom makes a good thing then runs it into the ground until they have to make a new good thing. This is just the latest refocusing of the series after a long period of running it into the ground. We'll probably get more games like 7 for a while until this too gets ran into the ground and Capcom decides RE needs to become a point and click adventure.
RE4 killed the series, worst one easily and even RE5 sold better.
RE4 IS good, only a fool would say otherwise.
But it's not the best RE, and RE7 is a better RE game.
I love how hard marketer-kun tries to shill RE7 by always declaring 4 shit non-stop.
Do you get paid as much as the DmC guys that called the previous DMCs shit too?
Resident Evil was always an action series, you fucking retard. Yes, even 1, which gave you enough ammo to shot up everything in the game, and ALSO made your characters fast enough to run circles around enemies, once you managed to master the shitty control scheme. Never mind 2 and 3.
All 4 did was getting rid of older hardware's technical limitations and making controls sensible.
Instead of cloning his own past success, Shinji Mikami has invented a whole new formula of success. It has nothing to do with Resident Evil or "survival horror" wankery at all.
>Silent Hill 4 was the first Silent Hill game marketed primarily to the west
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about buddy. Save yourself a tab closing followed by room pacing and just stop now.
It's by far the best game called Resident Evil. Both Mikami's games are incomparably better than anything else in the series, especially Kamiya's shitty attempt at action that kids loved due to an intense 1 mil+ marketing campaign.
I am not even and Re fan, but that seems like sound logic.
Horror genre gets stale, switch to action. Action gets stale, switch to horror.
Times change, this makes perfect sense.
SH4 wasn't as good as the first three but still better than anything that came after it you fucking mongoloid
Silent Hill 2 was the best that could be done with the series, Silent Hill 3 being the franchise equivalent of treading water is evidence of this.
You're lucky Hideo got shafted from Silent Hills, that saved him from boatloads of embarrassment that turd would've caused him.
RE4 and RE7 both made sense at their respective times.
Sales of RE had steadily been going down ever since RE2, which is why Mikami decided to take RE4 in a more Action focused direction. It paid off handsomely in sales. Come RE6, RE had gotten ridiculously expensive, it had a sales target of 7 million, it sold 4.5 million on launch, and it has still not managed to crack its 7 million goal; almost 5 years later. RE7 was a fresh start for the franchise after the horrible reception of RE6, it was also much cheaper, having only a target of 4 million.
Both RE4 and RE7 were made to stop the franchise from getting stale.
>Silent Hill 2 was the best that could be done with the series
I bet you hate the cult and think the In Water ending is the most thematically appropriate.
>Silent Hill 2 was the best
it's great, but no
easily the least scary of the first three
and we have that game to thank for the endless "mc did something bad but forgot" horseshit the latter games love
Unrelated to the debate but still worth mentioning, making RE4 more action-y was a decision made by Capcom higher-ups, not Mikami. Originally Kamiya was going to direct RE4 and they told him to make it more action-based, but Kamiya made it too action-based and that's how Devil May Cry was born. They let him continue with the project as a new IP under that name and turned RE4 over to Mikami. The man was just doing the work Capcom wanted him to do and, whether you hate the direction the series took or not, denying that RE4 was a great game in its own right and hating Mikami for it is just fucking retarded.
>RE4 is a better game than RE7
no
>RE4 is a better game than every RE
aahahahahahahhaha helllllllllllllllllllllllll no
Mikami also said he would decapitate himself with a chainsaw if RE4 ever left the Gamecube, which is hilarious in hindsight.
I'm pretty sure that the botched PS2 port of RE4 was the reason a lot of Capcom devs left, which seems like a really stupid thing. But I guess it was the straw that broke the camels back.
people who complain about RE 4-6 are dumb
what they should really be complaining about is literally every RE past RE 1 because RE 1 is the game that actually has by far the most focus on exploration and puzzle solving
RE 2 basically laid the foundation of the series being mostly linear and combat focused with light puzzle elements and almost more like Metroid style progression
this whole idea that an RE game can't be a horror game because it has a different camera and movement and shooting controls is just dumb
you could give RE2 the same kind of controls as RE 4-6 and it wouldn't really change anything except probably just make the game more fun to play
the actual level design and tone of RE2 is not very different from RE4
>we have that game to thank for the endless "mc did something bad but forgot" horseshit the latter games love
What, people copy something that worked, rather than more dumb convoluted and trite Japanese horseshit? What a surprise!
I do not like Resident Evil 7.
>if RE4 ever left the Gamecube
That wasn't the quote. He said he'd decapitate himself if RE4 kept getting ported over and over again after the Wii port. 8 ports later etc.
The most thematically appropriate ending is the one the player receives at the end, because that's how the game was designed.
And the cult plot line is only humor by those on the spectrum, because a pointlessly elaborate mythology explaining the logistics of the horror is more digestible to them intellectually than the horror of the unknown.
they copied it because then they could churn out endless standalone games that had nothing to do with the previous games
you're starting to sound a little butthurt there friendo
>it's only the horror of the unknown when you're dealing with the main character's inner demons that can be easily translated into understandable flaws and traumatic events
lmao get over yourself you retard
Why would autistic people who can't accept that the series already did its best upset me? I got what I wanted out of it while you keep mewing about what could've been.
Need a round in the squeeze machine son? or does rocking back and forth doing it for you?
>WAHHH RE4 IS BAD BECAUSE IT WAS POPULAR!!!!1111
But I like both styles. RE5 had the best gameplay controls and weapon inventory and upgrade system though
>think the In Water ending is the most thematically appropriate.
>The most thematically appropriate ending is the one the player receives at the end, because that's how the game was designed.
SH2 was designed around the In Water ending. The entire game is about James's suicide.
I picked Mia over Zoe, without ruining the ending, did I make the right decision?
>And the cult plot line is only humor by those on the spectrum, because a pointlessly elaborate mythology explaining the logistics of the horror is more digestible to them intellectually than the horror of the unknown.
Actually SH2 can resumed into "le purgatory", there is no big mystery. The cult actually worships something completely unknown.