FINAL FANTASY XV BROKE DAY ONE

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WTF BROS? I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE END OF FF SERIES

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>dat source
>"dev cost", aka paying pajeet rupees
>not including the marketing costs

I thought it needed to sell 10 million to be successful.

>dev cost
as user said , they have not even touched the marketing costs

Shitposters BTFO

I ain't your "bro", don't ever call me that again.

>dualshockers

Are you people stupid? It broke even thus meaning these costs include marketing.

No that was just a personal ambition, it already broke even.

>BROKE DAY ONE

Sure was. Those weird lighting glitches despite holding the game back to ''insure the day 1 patch was on disc''.
That combat was awful too. Returning it and getting Attack on Titan was the best decision I made that year.

Wow, that's really sad, not only did they have to rely on the deliberately worded "5 million shipped (including digital lol)" but now they're using more deliberately worded "It coved DEVELOPMENT costs on day one guise!"

Tabata is a sad man.

Suck my fat cock, bro. It's juicy and thick. It thirsts for your mouth.

>pajeet

The only non japanese people in the development team were marketing assholes.

Good for you anti fag. How that suicide watch going for you? Still in denial about the fact XV is successful?

>lighting glitches
Oh you mean lighting glitches from the Japan only demo that was from before the final game was released?

Or are you ignoring that it was the Sep30 day one patch that they delayed the game for to put onto the disc, not the Nov 29th day one patch.

It's SOLD 6 million worldwide now you delusional fuck, that was confirmed in the ATR just a few days ago. And these costs would include the marketing. Holy fuck this denial my sides.

Confirmed that people will buy shit if people the company just markets/hypes the game up enough. How people say FFXV is 9/10 -10/10, still baffles me to this day.

Do you expect him to commit sudoku on livestream because it sold like shit or something?

Considering the article is literally damage control for series fans. No, marketing was not included.

I find it excessively hard to believe that they recouped the total 3-year development costs on "Day 1". Unless they are saying this intentionally not including the cost of the movie, the anime, the real life Audi car, the marketing, the press shows, and etc.

Ok are you just going to keep resetting your IP to shitpost and samefag again?

Considering the article is stating a fact and you are denial about it, yes it was.

t. XV-kun

kill yourself XV-kun

>It's SOLD 6 million worldwide now you delusional fuck

Hahaha did you check their source?

You know they GOT money for the car right?

Well let's see. They shipped 5 million copies up front. Even if we assume they were all regular retail copies sold under relatively poor retail deals, that'd be 5,000,000 * $36 = $180 million.

Even if you assess the game's cost as $120 million plus $50 million in marketing, that would make money.

Exactly how much do the people who disbelieve him think this game cost?

Kingsglaive was funded/ published by Stage6/Aniplex which are both Sony, the anime was low budget A1 pitcures stuff that they uploaded for free on youtube.

That's complete and utter bullshit for a game that took 10 years to make and had "infinite" budget.

>Unless they are saying this intentionally not including the cost of the movie, the anime, the real life Audi car
Those were all outsourced to other companies so they're not part of the game's budget.

>And these costs would include the marketing.
no it wont

Still terrible when you consider how much time was invested in the project.

I finished it last night. Fucking sucks that the last 7 hours were so damn good and how shit ended up being a tragedy which....I think in FF I haven't really seen before? Maybe X?

Sucks that the other 40 hours were completely pointless and lacking. It could have been so much damn better.

t. faggots in denial about facts.

Did you? That aritcle you just posted is old, not from the ATR from days ago when they literally stated it had sold 6 million worldwide.

youtu.be/PYgp50lmfq0?t=7m6s

Except it was not in full development all that time, it only had 200 devs working on it from 2012 onwards, Versus was never even in active development and had barely anything done on it in 7 years.

I wonder when Battleborn will do the same

>sold 6 million worldwide.
Yeah sold to stores.

Yes it would because it broke even, thus for it to even break even the costs would have to include the marketing too.

Oh ffs it's you. I barely came into any FFXV threads, yet you were always there being a parasitic shit stain.

It amazing how much some people will defend a brand. The game is mediocre. Praising this game shows companies that players are WILLING to eat shit for full price.

Jesus fucking christ you are in denial.

Except XV is the best FF yet and it was succesful, which you are in denial about. What's sad is how much you are trying to spin this into a negative because you were BTFO.

>They shipped 5 million copies up front.
Someone should probably update the Wikipedia page then cuz it says FFXV only sold like 1.1 million copies. I've never seen this "5 million" number before.

It sold 1.1m in Japan alone. twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/813766388074549249

It has sold 6 million worldwide now. And 1 month ago they confirmed XV had sold 5 million, it is now at 6 million sold.

I'm glad. The game was good.

>took 10 years
They obviously didn't do too much work on Versus, at least early on considering the first time they showed off something that wasn't a CG trailer was like 2010.

I personally never liked the combat, or the lack of customisation in FFXV.

> implying jp studios don't hire pajeets
> implying some pajeets aren't pretty fucking amazing at programming

Honestly, computer programming is one of the least racially sensitive jobs in existence. Being good at it only requires you to be extremely autistic and interact with machines. As a tech lead at my firm, I often prefer to hire engineers who rtfm and follow industry best practices, and those usually wind up being pajeets or ching chongs since your run of the mill white brogrammer frequently refuses to follow instructions and must go make his own anti pattern because "programming should be fun". Fuck you, I'm not paying you to have fun.

Sup Forums was wrong again. What a surprise.

> armchair economists who understand shit about the economy arguing over and getting extremely angry on whether or not a AAA game sold more than 6 million would put square in the red or black
I literally came here to laugh at you

Man, that's fucking sad for a game that launched in such a grossly unfinished state with bugs in literally every person's playthrough. Massive patches everywhere, and a godawful final 3 hrs (which I guess most people likely did not even get to since nobody finishes video games in this day and age)

Deserved. I can smell the salt.

I bet this thread is full of fags crying like"t-that doesn't count".

>best FF yet
It was the most marketed FF, that's for sure. Everyone knows sales don't equal quality. Hell Devil May Cry 2 is proof of that case. Actually, what makes FFXV so good then? Enlighten me, shouldn't be too hard to go on about how amazing it is if it's that good should it?

developing costs =/= marketing cost all together retard

If you seriously think they made this game with a budget that 5 million copies won't break even...then yeah.

Square Enix japan is more cheap and doesn't have a lot of money to give to their AAA games unlike the US/EU branch. Keeping in mind that the quality we will see from Kingdom hearts 3 is also backed by Disney.

We really need to show to Square that these "Play as Service" Model don't work, even if you enjoyed the game. They actually feel that they are doing you a service by updating the game and adding it as "free" dlc. So please, even if you enjoyed this game, let your disappointment be heard, this kind of model is what is killing gaming right now. Don't lie to yourself, cause they only care about your money.

I say this as burned fan who bought the $270 collector edition. Why I did pay that amount on the incomplete experiences? PC gamers are going to get the game in full for less money.

dualshockers.com/2017/02/06/square-enix-announces-positive-financial-results-thanks-final-fantasy-xv-tomb-raider/

SE just posted a profit which they specifically cited was because of games like XV and TR.

I agree.

I felt there were no repercussions for anything I did incorrectly. The only difficulty I had was being underleveled for the beginning of the game.

It's super casualized which is probably why it sold so much. A lot of people I know who never touched FF are loving the game.

The final boss was underwhelming too. For him to fuckin have demons inside of him and he retains the human form for the whole fight. Cmon.

Does that include Cup Noodles tie-in?

I never encountered any bugs, nor did countless people. But of course you are going to act like because some people did encounter bugs that they were common place. Also every game gets patches now so your desperation is getting beyond pathetic. Also the ending is the most payoff an FF ending has had, cry more. You're tears go well with Ignis's new recipe.

What part of broke even don't you get? It broke even meaning it would including the marketing costs.

FF7, even FF13 had more marketing in the west, I never even saw a single bus with XV on it.

And XV is good for a number of reasons from the atmosphere of roadtrip, characters banter, fun combat, god tier music, dungeons, monster design, visuals etc. But you're just going to meme spout "nu uh" to anything I list as a positive anyway so go ahead and cry.

I obviously didn't expect this to sell badly because it's got fucking Final Fantasy in the title and that shit is like crack to japs, while also still a big brand name in the west.

What I don't buy is that they managed to recoup all the costs associated with the game, mostly because they spent a shit ton marketing this thing and made a movie that flopped hard.

>It broke even meaning it would including the marketing costs.
>source specifically says DEVELOPMENT COSTS

Which includes the marketing.

See >Well let's see. They shipped 5 million copies up front. Even if we assume they were all regular retail copies sold under relatively poor retail deals, that'd be 5,000,000 * $36 = $180 million.

>Even if you assess the game's cost as $120 million plus $50 million in marketing, that would make money.


How much do you think the game cost?

>FFXV broke even on development costs guize
>MARKETING COSTS ARE OBVIOUSLY INCLUDED BAKA

That's cute and all, but going even should be the bare minimum, how much money did it actually do?

See

>dev team should have moved on to help KH3's development
>still hogging them to make the DLCs
The fact that it sold well won't change the seething hatred I have for it

>the faggot keeps point out to his own mediocre math without any source
thats sad bro

Why would the dev team move to KH3 when KH3 is being made by BD3 in Osaka and XV is made by BD2 in Tokyo?

Holy fuck man you are in denial, that number is even lowballing it.

That's not an answer, I don't want ifs or conjectures, I want hard numbers.

It broke even, that's all that matters.

I don't see how you can call the last half good. Yeah a lot of tragic and emotional shit happens, but why should I care about any of it?

When you don't develop the characters or relationships at all, the events at the end of the game just feel cheap, tacked on to trigger an emotional response and make you forget how shit the game is.

It broke even from 5 million, it's currently at 6 million. That's your hard numbers.

Are you really this dense?

Except their relationships and bonds are developed through everything you did in the game up to the end, all the banter, all the camping, on tour quests, battles, photos, story stuff etc, it felt more impactful than any other FF ending because of how well the main four were established and presented.

Sup Forums BTFO

SHITPOSTERS BTFO

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Technically, versus and XV aren't the same game at all.

Vs got worked on on and off for years, but it never went anywhere because namura is an ocd addled asshat.
In 2913, that other guy got handed the project and started over.they reused character designs and back story, but everything else was totally new.

It's like comparing versions of Resident Evil 4. It had at least 3 full builds before the game we ended up with, and the main character is the only thing that never changed. But in the end, the final product is it's own game.
You never hear people saying RE4 was in development for5 years, because it only took them 1 and a half to make the released version from scratch.

Same thing with FFXV. The released version got started in 2013, so that's the amount of time that coints. It tkke them almost 3 years, not 10.

>It broke even, that's all that matters.
So people were right about damage control
>It broke even from 5 million, it's currently at 6 million. That's your hard numbers.
So, lukewarm financial "success"?

So much for the most successful FF, even by appealing to the lowest common denominartor that's how far they could go.
Don't know if alienating a good part of your customers was worth it, but oh well, it's FF anyway.

>I never even saw a single bus with XV on it.
Nah instead they:
>Made a movie
>Made an anime
>Made a half a million $ car
>Reached out to Jamie Oliver to create a FFXV style menu for promotion
>Ads all over Tokyo
>T.V. ads
>Magazine ads
>Internet ads
>Subway ads
Shit was everywhere. All to promote the game

> But you're just going to meme spout "nu uh"
Calling out fanboyism is a meme now?
The banter was weak, in fact most of the driving was completely silent apart from, "yo we need to go here". If you want good banter, play Resonance of Fate.
The combat was so simplified, God of War trumps it. Even then unlike all the turn based FF's before it, customisation was incredibly poor.
The music was good
Dungeons were a line.
Visuals were pretty poor in the open world, but nice in the linear portions.

>I didn't experience bugs therefore they don't exist
I see. You sound like the people who got Dishonored 2 and said the people complaining the game was jank as fuck were lying.

>I replaced the door on my house and broke even on the costs by selling my old door
>Guess I paid off my mortgage now too lol

That's how dumb you sound, you can break even in one area, it doesn't magically mean you broke even in all departments.

I agree with that completely. It could have been way more emotional/meaningful if there were any character development at all.

I guess I'm more so taken aback by the spectacle of it all and how, somehow, plot suddenly appeared in chapters 10-14.

What I did laugh at was Noct becoming all kingly and 4 mah ppl after the 10 year gap.

You're going ham senpai. Their banter added up to nothing. All those random revelations at the end had zero reaction out of the cast. Shit Luna McGuffin is in the game for a total of 20 minutes with like...2 mins of dialogue, dies, and somehow I'm supposed to feel their love?

Gladio disappears, comes back in a suit and your best friend can't recognize his voice? Their relationship is super stilted and more awkward than anything.

Stop! Stop! He's already dead!

>Also the ending is the most payoff an FF ending has had
are you seriously defending the 2hr forced stealth segment that literally nobody liked, followed by an unexplained 10 year timeskip after noctis gets sucked into a macguffin and then comes out behaving exactly the same as do all his companions and the only thing you can do after the timeskip is go fight the shitty last boss which despite hours and hours of "power of friendship" crap is a braindead solo fight that utilizes nothing the game has taught the player

that ending?

They're not the same game, but they share a lot of the same concepts/themes. The only reason Versus wasn't scrapped altogether is because SE's management wisely decided that a rebranding that would continue the anticipation would be more profitable than a brand new project, plus cancelling any project looks like a massive failure especially a mainline FF title.

So your in fucking denial.

>So, lukewarm financial "success"?
How is that lukewarm? You do know that other FFs had bigger budgets than XV right?

XV is the fastest selling FF ever, the highest selling opening FF in the US and the highest selling PS4 game in Japan, it also did well digitally and in other regions. Jesus fucking Christ you are literally triggered that it sold well and that it was a good game too.

>Square Enix says game made money
>NEETS foam and the mouth and insist it didn't

Does anyone actually think basement dwellers are a good source for economic information?

Banter is not development. You learn next to nothing about your bros in the game. What are their motivations? What are their backstories? Thats like jrpg 101!

Presumably all of that is explained in a movie/anime/comic that you're supposed to watch before you play? Well it should have been in the game.

And that's just one problem I had with it.

KH3 is being developed at a snail's pace. The Osaka team needs all the help they can get

Why is Mariachi so cool?

I'm not gonna listen a fucking hypocrite who:

1. Preorder a collector's edition of a game he hadn't played yet then cries about being disappointed
2. Complains about industry practices designed to mooch your money away when he's the first one to get suckered into them

Learn to temper your expectations and excitement you literal man-child.

>Made a movie
Funded/Published by Sony Stage6/Aniplex, also this isn't the game. Stage 6 only fund films of 10m budget, which would have already been covered anyway.

>Made an anime
Cheap A1 picture anime that they put for free on Youtube, also this isn't the game, a single BD release would have already recovered any costs for that since it was made to be freely distrubuted to begin with.

>Made a half a million $ car
You know they GET MONEY for doing the car stuff right?

>Reached out to Jamie Oliver to create a FFXV style menu for promotion
So they created a menu for like a 1 day event which was them just selling the SE Cafe stuff there is expensive?

>>Ads all over Tokyo
So like every FF, also most of those XV ads were blank white with some black text on it.

>T.V. ads
>Magazine ads
>Internet ads
>Subway ads
Like every FF.

And all of that was just Japan which every FF gets. I never saw any bus where I live with XV on it yet I saw WatchDogs2 and even TombRaider on buses.

>Calling out fanboyism is a meme now?
So saying things you like about the game is fanboyism now? Jesus fucking christ how triggered are you?
The banter was strong, more than any other FF, combat had more to do and more depth than any other FF, weapon customization alone put it above other FFs
I've never seen an FF dungeon as good as Pitioss.
Visuals were the best for any open world game on console.

Nice try faggot.

No because I didn't say there weren't bugs, I said I never experienced them and just because someone found a bug and posted it online doesn't mean it was common place or that the majority had them either. I've seen countless people post some fucked up W3 bugs but even when I played that I never had any bugs.

Except they broke even you stupid idiot, Jesus fucking christ you are literaly in denial. MY FUCKING SIDES.

>You do know that other FFs had bigger budgets than XV right?
That is completely irrelevant when the actual profits are higher.
>XV is the fastest selling FF ever, the highest selling opening FF in the US and the highest selling PS4 game in Japan, it also did well digitally and in other regions.
Cool beans, but the actual profit was poor.
And I have to give you the double benefit of doubt because we don't know how much Versus XIII costed before it got turned into XV, we don't know marketing costs either.

So yeah, everything points to a lukewarm "success" so far, given the actual reception of fans things are even worse considering the fanbase is completely split between those who call it garbage and others who liked the thing.
I don't even know why you're trying so hard to avoid these simple facts, it's not like the game's your wife or something, sales numbers also don't mean anything when it comes to actual quality so whatever.

>Their banter added up to nothing.
Except it had a ton of personality and goes towards their humanity, characterization, etc. And there is plenty of story related banter too. And the cast had reaction whenever important stuff happened so not sure what the fuck you are even lying about here. Luna is the same thing that Zelda is in Zelda games who has even less screentime yet I see no one complaining about that. Noctis clearly did recognize Gladio which I have no clue how the fuck you didn't realize that they both recognized each other straight away and were playing along.

That's it!

>They-they broke even!

Clearly damage control. They released an unfinished game and are continuing to waste money developing content for it.

Sup Forums BTFO

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I'm sure you're very well read in the fields of business and economics.

There is no forced stealth, you don't have to stealth at all in ch13 because you are never forced to, it takes 30 minutes. Noctis was acting completley different after he come out which you could tell just from his voice and how he talked to the party, Talcott and Ardyn, holy fuck man did you even pay attention to anything? And the last fight segment is all party against Ifrit, then final fight is a 1v1 with Noctis and Ardyn being true king vs false king which has the regular game combat, then the king of light form.

Guess you missed how the ending includes cutscenes that occur after that which have their emotional send off, Noctis's death, Noctis killing Ardyn for good using KOTR and then the final campfire scene which alone has more emotion in it than any scene in any FF.

>dat source
Wasn't it this site that warned people about how The Order was shit?

Yes banter is development because it gives insight into characterization and personality, and you see how the characters act and react to different things from their banter.

>What are their motivations?
Play the game, the game tells you.

>What are their backstories?
Play the game, do the on tour quests and read the fucking dialog, the game tells you.

>Presumably all of that is explained in a movie/anime/comic
No. The movie has nothing to do with the main cast, and brotherhood has nothing to do with the main story, things in Brotherhood are brought up by the characters in the game anyway so you get their backstory details regardless, and you don't even have to watch KG to understand anything in the story either since anything important in KG happens and is learned by the player in the game within the first hour anyway.

>Except they broke even
On development costs, there are more costs than that, otherwise they'd not need to specify. Even assuming your tard logic was correct, the GREATEST GAME EVER barely made a profit. Well done, they'd have made more money investing it into Sony stocks.

Come on.... COME THE FUCK ON!!! WE NEEDED this game to fail to BTFO all the weebs of Sup Forums!! GOD DAMN IT GOD DAMMMMNNN IIIIIT!!! THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MY FIRST TORTANIC!

I blame Disney and most film distributors for creating the allusion that it takes 1 Buh-million dollars to market a movie alone.

I could believe it if they announced that they broke even at some point since the release.
Claiming that day 1 was enough is a blatant lie since it had a really slow start.

>That is completely irrelevant when the actual profits are higher.
Games with higher profits than XV have been out longer, factor in the same time frame and XV is beating other FFs in terms of WW sales.

>Cool beans, but the actual profit was poor.
How? They already made 1m profit over their break even point and specifically reported in their financial report that they had profit on console sales because of XV.

Nothing about it is lukewarm, it is successful period. I don't even know why you are trying to deny the reality just to downplay the games success.

Ok "Anonymous (40) 02/08/17(Wed)03:11:52 No.366687415".

>people still trying to "prove" that FFXV was a flop

You need to be 18 years of age to browse Sup Forums.

Broke even from 5 m means it includes the marketing costs. See

>"The game will be canned in the reviews!"
Game was recieved positive press
>"The OG cast of FF hate it!"
Sakaguchi loved it
>"The Game will flop!"
It doesn't & literally covered development costs despite Sup Forums going on about a 10 year solid development shitposting meme barrage. TORtanic ruined Sup Forums more than Sup Forums thinks they ruined EA through sheer shitposting.