What's the difference between undead und unkindled?

What's the difference between undead und unkindled?

They are the same, only unkindled have failed to link the first flame and have just become "ash."

Basically they're just undead who attempted to link the fire but were incapable for whatever reason

How can you fail at linking the flame?

Bag of bones vs. Bag of Ashes

You forget the matches

Some people go Hollow or they just fuck off and die

Aren't all undead basically "undead who attempted to link the fire but were incapable for whatever reason" ?

No, you don't just die if you are undead. You either go hollow or get reborn. And I'm certainly not hollow in DS3

It looks like the hollowing curse was broken in DS3, most likely after the events of DS2. No character gets hollow in the game, and you can get hollow only if you do the pact with the turtle guy.

>DS2
not canon

And anyways, you just break the cure FOR YOU in DS2. You're the only one who gets the crown. Every other human still goes hollow.

Unkindled are undead who failed to link the fire and just burned out into ashes, maybe because their souls weren't powerful enough (?)
Your character is Unkindled Ash, the combined ash of previous unkindled made into an entity. Essencially the personification of failure, the Soul of Cinder being the exact opposite.

DS2 had better lore than 3. Fuck off.

"Dark Souls had a story you ask?

Fret not my crestfallen children, for I shall reveal this to you!"

To tell the difference between undead and unkindled, first we must define what the undead from the first game was.

In the intro movie to Dark Souls you are shown that 4 beings gain lord souls and fight dragons and do all manner of swanky stuff. But that would be a lie, because only 3 of the lords are shown. The last lord, The Furtive Pygmy get only one line in the intro movie and is mentioned in the game NEVER AGAIN! (until the DLC shows up)

This is really interesting piece of lore because its the bigges "Chekhov's gun" in the game. He is presented by the author and everyone reading expects him to do something interesting later in the story. Because an author would not just waste space presenting a character that is not important for something.

The truth is that the pygmy is also the titular character of the game. He is actually the lord of the Dark Soul!

Three other lords spend their powers fighting stuff, building empired and breeding demons. The pygmy just disappere and do who knows what. But we know that he gave some of his power to other pygmies: Humans. Either by being the creator of humanity or by simply giving them power.

Aeons later no one remembers this. Some humans have a strange power though. They dont die when they are killed and they can do miraculous things. The problem being that the resurection is not perfect. They grow more and more hollow if they have ever died once, or for other reasons. To reverse this hollowing they need more of the power that originated from the dark soul. They use up this power when they die and over time. And when it gradualy fades, so does their consciousness and human sensibility.

They need Dark Soul power, or as everyone else calls it: "Humanity" Because its mostly just humans that have it. You can shove that Dark Hand up Smougs crevice all day, but you wont find any humanity. Because only humans have that. (And also rats for some reason.)


So what is an unkindled then? It is a person or a being that have tied themselves to the rekindled fire. In exchange for helping the rekindled fire sustain itself, you are given another form of immortality. And because the current fire draws its power from the remnants of all 4 lord souls it does not give the player the same drawbacks as the main character from the first game had, who could only use one of the powers.

You can use your own inherent humanity for an extra power boost of course. But good luck finding more humanity to reverse the hollowing if you should die. Maybe the fire keeper still have som?

> No character gets hollow in the game
Anri and Horace

>Not canon
It happened, the events just didn't matter

Plague is that you?

>And also rats for some reason.
That's just because rats feed on human corpses that still have humanity on them.

what

>Undead
Just a dude unable to die, comes back every time and eventually goes hollow if they lose their purpose.
>Unkindled
Remains of previous undead that seemingly managed to off themselves by sacrificing themselves to link the fire but they didn't make it, they just got turned to ash.
Seemingly unable to go hollow. Which makes them perfect bearers of dark sigils.
What makes them look like hollows when bearing dark sigils, you ask? Nigger I don't know, not even Miyazaki knows what he is doing

>Nigger I don't know, not even Miyazaki knows what he is doing

So it's just style over substance? There is no answer to my question? What the fuck is this shit

you can die even if you're undead
>better lore
not really
DaS2 fucked everything up and completely trivialised DaS' lore (probably to prove how bad a sequel can become)
DaS3 had to work with what DaS2 destroyed

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>you can die even if you're undead
how?

Apparently if your soul is not strong enough or don't have enough souls. That is why you collect the souls of cinder(?)

You can't die if you're undead. That's why you and enemies respawn, it's not just for the sake of gameplay but has a lore-value to it aswell.

When you link the fire, you replenish the world of souls apparently. My guess is that if you don't have enough souls to replenish the world on yourself, then you'll just be fucked up by the first flame and become unkindled. But that doesn't really explain the ending of DaS3 where you fail to link the fire no matter what.

>When you link the fire, you replenish the world of souls apparently. My guess is that if you don't have enough souls to replenish the world on yourself, then you'll just be fucked up by the first flame and become unkindled.

But that's why there are obstacles and Bosses. You WILL be strong enough with enough souls if you beat them all and get to the first flame. There is no way you could reach it without being strong enough. Not every random nobody fucktard could just go to the first flame and try to kindle it. This explanation is Bullshit.

>But that's why there are obstacles and Bosses.
And you tell me my explanation is bullshit? What makes you think this is the case for every undead? In DaS2, all you need is to walk over a pile of rubble and drop a ladder long enough to go over the gap where the golems would make a bridge in the Throne of Want. In DaS3, the new DLC seems to imply that the Dreg Heap is a physical place and not just "the end of the world". Just walk over there, bring some friends to distract the Soul of Cinder and jump into the bonfire. In DaS1, have someone do the Dark Lord ending, then be a random undead who runs into the Kiln by accident and jump into the bonfire.

And even then, this assumes the random undead who jumps into the bonfire lives in the era of those games. What about Yhorm's era? Aldrich's era? The Abysswatchers' era? What happened there for the linking of the fire?