Was he wrong?

Was he wrong?

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The witch covenant sucks, but it's not like Solaire was that plot-relevant anyway. I preferred his tragic end.
Siegmeyer was easy as shit to defend. Is this guy able to even breathe without an objective screen telling him to do so?

I don't remember since it's been a few years, but I'm pretty sure you don't reach the end of Siegmeyer's story unless he beats the suckfuckers by himself.

I'll give Rhea because you can be deprived from her miracles because of that which is bullshit, but the other two barely make any difference since you miss out on a Titanite Slab which you can farm off Darkwraiths and a summon for one of the easiest bosses in the game.

As for the plot of their outcome I'd say it's like Darkstalker Kaathe where it's meant to be more of a secret on how you find out about it rather than just expected of you to do it.

You can kill all of em but I think you have to let him kill one. As long as he survives and is over 50%~ health the questline continues.

At least thats from memory.

>Solaire
Perfectly fine and intended that you don't save him on your first playthrough
>Siegmeyer
I have no idea what he is talking about
You have the choice of letting him sacrifice himself for you or save him
I don't know what he means with cheese
>Petrus
>NO INDICATION HE will kill her
This guy has legit autism
Not "Sup Forums insult"-autism. But legitimate "can't read human emotions"-autism.

Finding out about Kaathe is disingenuous. The game TELLS YOU to give the Lordvessel to Frampt from the get go. Seriously, the Darkwraith covenant has never been accessed by a first-time player EVER.

Lo fucking l. You are supposed to fail the questline on your first playthrough just because? What a dumbass you are.

>You are supposed to fail the questline on your first playthrough just because?
What do you mean fail?
Which questline fails?

I guess you fail every questline then because just about everyone hollows at the end of it.

Solaire. I realize Miyazaki says that the Sunlight Maggot Solaire is the "good" ending, but this is a fail state to literally ANYONE who plays the game. And there is no way to circumvent it other than a roundabout method that has several stipulations.

Fuck all NPC questlines in Dark Souls.

did it first time, never went back to firelink shrine, never even saw frampt

And this is a stupid and lazy way to end every NPC's questline.

You think a happy ending for everyone would fit thematically?

>but this is a fail state to literally ANYONE who plays the game.
You get all the loot.
If anything if you save him you only get a summon for a boss you really don't need any help with.

I do not understand how you consider it a fail state.
Were you dropped as a kid?

>never went back to firelink
>new londo is accessed by firelink

Stay stupid kiddo

Covenants were part of the game that was not fleshed out at all.

No, I think endings other than LOL HE WENT HOLLOW AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT would be more fitting. Laurentius, Big Hat, Griggs, Rhea, Crestfallen. All of them go hollow. How lazy an end to a questline is HE JUST GAVE UP THAT'S THE END.

All covenants other than Forest Hunter are fucking trash.

>HE JUST GAVE UP THAT'S THE END.
He was looking for a sun and found a glowing insect which grabbed on to his head.

He didn't give up
He went mad. Not Hollow. Mad.

>mfw people pretend they've fulfilled Dark Souls questlines without looking anything up

Notice how I did not include Solaire in that post.

Solaire's good ending, to me, is being summoned for Gwyn to assist in the resurrection of the Age of Fire. I believe that THERE he finds his own sun. Sunlight Maggot Solaire is (yes, mad) fail state.

Literally impossible unless you're using Google. Fucking stupid.

>Notice how I did not include Solaire in that post.
This whole chain is about solaire you idiot

Who else where you talking about when you wrote
>HE JUST GAVE UP THAT'S THE END.

Laurentius or the Crestfallen?

>2017 AD
>Still complaining that a Souls game doesn't have handholding
Who the fuck cares?

>solaire literally dies NEXT to a fucking door
>somehow I am a genius if I figure out that if I open that door before I let solaire through I can save him

I didn't think I was special before I came to Sup Forums
You may now praise me for I am your superior.

Every NPC I named in that post. HE/SHE WENT HOLLOW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.

Griggs and Rhea just died.
I don't think they went hollow

Big Hat only goes hollow once you complete his very long journey and he learns every spell and realizes he doesn't get to be immortal like Seath.
It makes perfect fucking sense that he goes hollow because he has no reason to excist.

>you go hollow if you have no purpose or goal
>Why are all these NPCs going hollow once they got nothing more to do?
You are not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

Griggs and Rhea both fight you as hollows, what are you on about?

>game uses easy cop out for EVERY NPC
>why are you mad there was no character development

Stay retarded.

Oh yeah I forgot about Rhea

Her reason for going hollow is the same as Big Hats.
Her raison d'etre at that point after failing her quest is to teach you Miracles
After that she has literally nothing left.

And I have no Idea that you can fight Griggs Hollow.
I can't even find it on youtube.

You find him in Sen's after buying all of his spells.

For no other reason than "you bought all of his spells."

Yeah that I know but I didn't know he was going hollow. I just thought he died in Sen's fortress.
Well he taught you everything he could and was following Big Hat.

The reason for his existence was to teach some random asshole the spells that he knew. After that he went hollow because he had no other purpose.

Dude. Come on.

You're a fucking idiot, it's not failing a quest, it's a story being told, which you can change depending on the actions you take.
Jesus Christ you are so fucking stupid, it's not a fail state, why the fuck do you think that it's a fail state because a death had an actual impact, does the game ever indicate to you that you failed? No.
They are tragic stories, they've existed in literature since the beginning.
But you're retarded ass thinks a tragic story is fail state, you are a complete idiot that can't stand a game not patting you on the back, actions with consequences and not letting you have everything without seeking it.

I assumed he just thought there was nothing more to do and no excuse to not follow Big Hat and he just couldn't make it through Sens fortress.

Maybe he saw you as a replacement for Logan since he always talks about Logan abandoning him to do whatever else and you buying all of his spells meant that you no longer would come back to him either, so he went off to Sen's Fortress to get to the Duke's Archives, realized he couldn't get through the fortress, and gave up.

He was clearly procrastinating.

I assume repaying the guy who saved him was a good excuse to not follow logan through the murder fortress.

No, delving into Seath's secrets and search for immortality caused him to lose his mind, little by little, which you should know if you bothered to talk to him as you returned and bought more and more of his spells.
The game lets you buy all his spells before deciding to continue his story as to not cut you off from the highest level sorceries in the game.

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He even talks about losing his sense of time and starts mumbling incoherently, at some point he even starts forgetting who you are.
It amazes me how people who play the game manage to completely miss the obvious, then complain about the game not explaining something.

We are talking about Griggs here.

None of it effects your ability to finish the game, though. It just makes shit arguably more or less fucked up, depending on your point of view. I'm less sympathetic since Dark Souls was also a game designed around the thought that people could, and would, play it multiple times.

I think he's wrong;. The game has bad, but there's more good than bad.

>The solaire one
Managed to get it done just because I really wanted to see what bomb ass pyromancies I would get, and I made humanity out the ass from co-op/invasions

>Seigmeir
In all truthfulness I found Ash-Lake by accident but looking back the path is kinda dead obvious.
Not to mention that it's a fairly straight forward quest barring that one detail.

>Cleric bitch and Petrus
How do you not save her??? You talk to Petrus and hes like "THAT BITCH IS ALIVE ILL GUT HER LIKE A- I mean oh cool"
You have to have actual autism to not know he was gonna fuck her up. He already tried even.

The only thing I'll concede is kinda bullshit is the darkwraiths. But even then I found them on my first playthrough simply because I explored alot of areas. I checked it out simply because I figured I had the stats for it and sure enough I did it before the cut-off.

Basically all I did was explore and just explore. I found solaire's by wanting pyromancies. I did Seigmire because I'm not retarded. and I did The cleric bitch's because I can understand basic clear motivations.
The only one I might have "failed" was that pyromancer dude's. I told him to check those sick pyromancies out and he hollowed.