Is it wrong of me to still enjoy this game despite its flaws?

Is it wrong of me to still enjoy this game despite its flaws?

No.

Very wrong.

It's easily one of the best games ever made, why would you think it's wrong to enjoy it?

It's good, OP

I played so much fallout before this came out that I couldn't get into it much, because it just seemed like a fantasy skinned fallout.

If you're playing Skyrim will mods one it, then not really.

If its your first elder scrolls you're allowed to love it unconditionally.

>the famous "you can only like Skyrim if it's the first TES you played"
every time

I play it with lots of porn mods sue me

But that's why I like Oblivion.

And I love to death every TES from daggerfall to Skyrim, except Arena, because fuck Arena.

Nah. I enjoy Skyrim a lot too, but I recognize that its a shit game.

How so? It's horribly written, has very few memorable characters, is incredibly stale and repetative gameplay wise, has the shallowest combat of all time, is incredibly unbalanced, and has a dead feeling world. In what world is this a good game? The only thing the game is good for is mindlessly leveling up skills and looting better gear. It's fun to one shot everything in sight I guess, but how the fuck can this be considered a good game?

fuck the hivemind Skyrim is a great experience, there's no other games that do what elder scrolls do, and skyrim is just oblivion but actually fun

The only thing ruining my experience is that the engine does not allow for 144hz without extreme physics bugs

>tfw been using a 13.9" screen for 2 years
>in a few days I'll be using a 34" 21:9

Can't fucking wait. Gonna install Skyrim and mods just to take it all in really

Honestly, I genuinely feel everyone should play through Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim at least once (or make the attempt to do so).

Even if you don't end up liking them, they are pretty genre-defining and a standard of measure many hold other RPGs to.

Also, presumably all the people who say "no its a shit game, fuck you OP" have still played the game itself as some point in order to come to that conclusion, so it should be clear just how pervasive these games are in the mass market.

>there's no other games that do what elder scrolls do
And what would that be, user?

No, so long as you don't go and act like it's the greatest game of all time or anything. I like Shadow the Hedgehog, but you won't catch me trying to convince someone that it's worth their time to play it.

Not him but - half decent open world, character customisation and freedom of direction/leveling path. There aren't many others

Top-notch graphics demo

>Half decent open world
Sure I guess, but it does feel pretty bland. The lack of an interesting narrative or interesting quests REALLY hurts that tho
>Character customisation
This game doesn't really have character customization. Everyone ends up the same after a while anyways, since you can level up every single skill.
>freedom of direction/leveling path
I'm conflicted on this one. It is really cool how you can go any where at any time, but it also leads to that retarded level scaling system they used. It makes it so nothing even poses a semblance of a challenge unless you're at the highest difficulty.

Now you fucks now how I feel when you retards mention Godhand.


An absolute trash of a game yet you fuckers praise it like it's the best made game ever

Well I guess opinions. This is a board were people like Zelda, Pokemon, fucking MGS, anime shit and what not, don't see the problem with Skyrim.

>It's horribly written
Not really. It ain't a masterpiece, but it does contains excellent writing, and of course some pretty bad one, which is expected considering the gigantic size of the game
>has very few memorable characters
Opinions. Ulfric is the greatest character Bethesda has made so far, and there are tons of memorable characters like Cicero, the grey beards, most NPC in the dark brotherhood, lydia, etc...
>is incredibly stale and repetative gameplay wise
This is because you're a console cuck that plays vanilla
>has the shallowest combat of all time
This is because you're a console cuck that plays vanilla
> is incredibly unbalanced
This is because you're a console cuck that plays vanilla
>and has a dead feeling world
It's the best open world so far tho.


You know, there are people that can't understand why you like some stuff. There are people that hate your favorite game user. Skyrim was great, just like every TES since Daggerfall.

By customisation I also mean the variety in physical/appearance options. People really love character creation.

I agree with the flaws in both their worlds and the leveling system, but it really is just a case of pros and cons. Compromise for the bigger picture. You may or may not enjoy it, but as he said, they are pretty much the only developer producing this kind of game. Hence why even largely mediocre products like F4 will be so well received, because there simply is not any competition.

>i-it is comfy
3 out of 6 arguments
>m-mods fix it
3 out of 6 arguments

get out

>The lack of an interesting narrative or interesting quests REALLY hurts that tho
Well, the main quest has been shit in every TES. You play for the side quests, and Skyrim has tons of great ones.
>Everyone ends up the same after a while anyways, since you can level up every single skill.
I'm guessing you play vanilla. Even if we're talking vanilla, nobody ends up with the same because it takes a shitload of time to level up everything, nobody is retarded or autistic enough to do this instead of starting a new playthrough. And once again, use mods cuckboy.
>but it also leads to that retarded level scaling system they used.
Again, use fucking mods.

Yeah, some of the writing in the game is good of course, but not a lot. No where near something like New Vegas. Ulfric was a good character, yeah, and Cicero and the brotherhood members were memorable too. But not much other than those. In a game with hundreds of named NPCs, that's not that much. The console cuck argument doesn't mean shit. If the game is only good with mods, that means its a shit game. And it DEFINITLY doesn't have the best open world so far. The Witcher 3's is WAAAAAY more impressive.

God Hand is an amazing game though, Skyrim isn't. God Hand's only fatal flaws are that the combat has a few exploitable moves and the levels are generally pretty ugly. There are a few other minor issues like a lack of level select, but even its greatest flaws can be easily overlooked because of how great the game is in every other aspect.

Skyrim, on the other hand, is a buggy mess packed to the brim with poor design issues.

>God Hand is an amazing game though

It's not. The AI sucked, the controls were terrible, the camera had to be one of the worst cameras ever. Production value looked like an intern's portfolio.

>main quest has been shit in every TES
That's not an excuse.
>You play for the side quests, and Skyrim has tons of great ones
I wouldn't say tons honestly. The Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild ones stand out to me, as well as some of the Daedric ones, but that's a really not that many. It's a pretty small percentage of the sidequests in the game.
>use mods cuckboy
If a game needs mods to be good, it's a bad game, user.

I never said anything about the game being "comfy"
>m-mods fix it
The game doesn't need fixing, it's one of the most rewarded and well recieved games of all times and that's vanilla. Mods allow you to turn it into your own perfect game and improve on every aspect of it.

You just responded that guy's criticism about the game's gameplay being bad with "use mods". The point is that that's not an argument.

That's a big game.

Yes

Stop it

Hey if you can still enjoy games, enjoy then. Don't be a jaded fucker like everyone else here.

You still have shit taste, faggot.

The writing in Skyrim is pretty awful. At it's best its inoffensive and at its worst its shit like the Thieves Guild.

Personally, the only characters I found memorable were Cicero and Ulfric, and I only remember Ulfric because people talk about him in the game everywhere you go. I mostly just remember Cicero form that quest where he's transporting the Night Mother's body before you join the Dark Brotherhood, which I thought was kind of cool.

If something need mods to be good, then it shouldn't be taken into consideration. The game can be modded to fix many of its problems, but it's not a proper representation of the game. If Bethesda just released a game with nothing at all in it, but you could mod stuff into it, that wouldn't be a good game.

The fun in Skyrim just comes form exploring the world. It may not have many interesting locations, but there's a good air of freedom about it and it makes you feel like a real adventurer. That exploration is the only thing Bethesda are really good at, but they're good enough at it to make their games fun to play, at least fro a little while.

The AI was great though, especially on harder difficulties, they pulled no punches and made you learn how to crowd control. The controls were not only good, but they were simple, I don't even understand what you're issue with them could be. Camera was perfectly fine, just different for the genre, it kept you engaged in the fight by bringing you up close and you had the radar to help keep you aware of your surroundings, and if you couldn't make good use of the radar, that's your own fault.

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Some people here are talking about how Skyrim has tons of interesting quests. The only ones I can think of are the Dark Brotherhood questline and some of the Daedric ones. That doesn't really seem like tons to me. What other ones are there?

Yes. Cease right now.

Isn't that just the question of all enjoyment. No, it's not wrong to enjoy any video game or movie despite it's flaws.

So you're admitting that the game is bad and needs mods for it to be good.

I heard about mindbreak stories and I think I can understand how you ended up like that user.

I don't understand this meme? is it because batman?

I played Skyrim for about 60 hours and it was enjoyable. The main problem with the game is that the gameplay loop stops being fun long before you finish even half the content of the game.

I'm not buying it user. You can defend your game all you want but it had an insane amount of flaws.

No, the game is great vanilla, it's god tier when modded.

The game scored 9/10+ everywhere, was loved by critics and gamers, won countless awards and GOTY, sold millions, is still played 5 fucking years later, and that's vanilla.
>inb4 all these are completely irrelevant and don't mean a game is good, unless of course it's a game I like.

Okay, then tell me what they are. I already told you what I saw as the flaws in the game and I already told you why the things that you said were flaws were fine. So what's wrong with the AI, the controls or the camera?

It's fine if you don't like the game user, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

Yeah, and the Transformers films are some of the highest grossing movies of all time. Newsflash, people like bad shit. Just look at Fallout 4. That game got so much praise, and It's so much worse than even Skyrim is.

Correct, but there's also no games that does what it does. There's no replacement. Its like Spore, you can hate it, but you'll always go back to it because it has no competitors.

Yeah, I guess there's some truth to that. For better or for worse (definitely worse), Bethesda games definitely feel unique.

>tfw you fell into skyrim shill meme in ylilauta
>tfw I recommended the game for a cutie gamer because it was "really good"

I posted this in another thread just before it was archived and I need to let out my inner autist.

You know what my biggest gripe with Oblivion is? This fucking city.

Where should we put the market district?
>Away from the bridge, away from the waterfront, and close to the prison!

Where should the arena go?
>Someplace NOT connected to the prison! Why would we use prisoners in a gladiator arena?

Where should the waterfront district go?
>Down a hill in bumfuck nowhere, despite the fact it should be the most important economic location in all of the Empire!

What should go around white-gold tower?
>Not upscale housing, high-end shops, or anything interesting at all!

What should the single entrance by land connect to?
>The fucking Talos Plaza district!

What should surround the largest city in all of Tamriel?
>Fucking nothing!

How many ships should fit in the waterfront?
>2

>No roads around the outer wall
>Fucking bandits allowed on the island
>Lake Rumare is fucking small
>Bridges prevent any large ships from sailing up to the Lake anyways
>Any unused land near the Imperial City
>No super expensive player housing in the wealthy residential districts
>No major military headquarters

FFS it's like they just wanted a random bumfuck city to be the CAPITAL OF THE EMPIRE.

But the transformers movies didn't win countless awards, weren't well reviewed by the critics, didn't set a new standard for movies and aren't talked about years later :^)

You can play dumb all you want, that won't change the fact that Skyrim is a great fucking game.

Or, maybe you're implying that Bloodborne, MGS, GTA, Zelda, Mario, RE4, Nioh and others are actually fucking shit because people and critics love them, they score well and won many awards and sold well.
Did you just prove that good games never existed because if everything shows it's good it means it's actually bad, and what's bad is bad?

No, I'm just saying that good reviews and awards mean less than nothing in the Video Game Industry. These things aren't indicative of a good game.

According to Sup Forums you are inhibited from enjoying any game so yes.

I told you the flaws. Those were objective flaws.

I appreciate your rant

How? I told you why I don't think the things you mentioned are flaws, you just said that those things are flawed. Give me a reason. I can say that SF3 has shit combat or Planescape has shit writing, but it doesn't mean anything unless I can back it up with a reason as to why those tings are shit. So tell me what is wrong with the camera, AI, controls or anything else in he game.

>inb4 all these are completely irrelevant and don't mean a game is good, unless of course it's a game I like.
That's exactly what you think, huh? Stop fucking with my head user!