Series wide companion rankings
God tier
Loghain
Sten
Shale
Nathaniel Howe (Human Noble origin)
Great
Oghren
Dog
Cole
Blackwall
Good tier
Sigrun
Zevran
Inq Varric
Iron Bull
Nathaniel Howe (Non Noble origin)
Josephine
Dorian
Okay tier
Leliana (Origins and Inq)
Wynne
Velanna
Solas As a companion
Alistair
Cassandra
Cullen
Bad tier
Morrigan
Vivienne
Justice
Sera
Shit tier
Cast of DA2
Notably shit tier
JusticeAnders
Fenris
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>He doesn't like Merrill
>Anything from 2 passable
Nice meme
They're all trash from a trash series.
DA2 Anders should be in a tier of shit all on his lonesome.
Fenris may be an emo broodlord but I'm down with his views on mages.
>Sera is not shit tier
what's wrong with you
literally the worse character I ever saw in a videogame
>Loghain
>God Tier
Stopped reading there, desu
Trash list, Loghain apologists get out
Also this.
Loghain was right.
>inq varric over DA2 Varric
Come on now. The only worthwile moment he has in the whole game is if you let hawke die.
I just started this game. Went with the mage class. Any general tips for me?
>Not taking the most pragmatic option available.
You literally can send him to his death without any complaints.
Havent played DA II, because some of my friends told me it was shit.
Finishing DA inquisition atm.
What did I miss?
Its really shit?
Play at least on Hard because mages are 2ez gg mode otherwise.
Fenris and Varric have some of the best bants, deserves to be okay tier just for that.
>Loghain was right.
He was wrong about pretty much everything, though. In fact, he was worse than the Orlesians ever were by his own stupidity because without the Warden, Ferelden would've been literally annihilated - even discounting the fact that you need Wardens to kill the Archdemon, the game makes it clear that by fighting the civil war Ferelden no longer has the strength to effectively combat the Blight without the allies the treaty assures.
>Saving Loghain
>Pragmatic
Every time people say this, and every time I disagree. Firstly, it's entirely unnecessary - gaining Loghain loses Alistair (both as a companion and as a close ally), so the only reason you can justify it is if you need another Warden to throw at the Archdemon. And since there's no way for your character to know that at the time, you can't rely on that justification without knowing you can also take the better option of Morrigan's ritual.
Secondly, it's entirely undeserved - there's literally no reason you should take Loghain ahead of Alistair, because even with low approval Alistair's going to do more for you.
Also, either way he's still a shit companion. All he does is whine about his shitty life and try to justify all the retarded decisions he made, 0/10 would not adventure with again.
It is. Although it does have tiny bits of fun stuff unlike the borefest that is inquisition. But it's a far worse overall experience.
Fenris is so cool!
Yes.
You could have fun ironically though.
Play as sarcastic femhawke and make it a point to fuck up each and every single one of your companions' lives.
The game lets you give the pirate bitch to qunari, sell the silver faggot elf to his buttmaster, etc.
>God tier
>Loghain
>Sten
>Shale
>Nathaniel Howe (Human Noble origin)
Nice bait.
I don't have the time or desire to remake your entire list, but I'd just like to say your list is complete shit and all fucked.
>Implying Cailan's plan would have worked
>Implying Duncan wasn't retarded for going with it
>Implying we lit the signal fire in time
The Fereldan army is still a major component of beating the Archdemon at Denerim, if Loghain had opted to lose them too then Ferelden would have been lost, and The Warden and Alistair would have likely not been pushed onto the path they were by M'thal.
Not to mention that Cailan was planning on pulling the rug out on Fereldan and handing it back to Orlais.
It's really really REALLY shit. I didn't listen and played it anyway a couple years ago. Wish I hadn't.
Inquisition has so much potential and so good ideas that it hurts to see it like it is.
Empty world, boring subquests, and you never really feel powerful or really an inquisitor.
Like, what the fuck "influence"serve for? fucking nothing.
Im having fun with the game but seriously, you have even less choices than the usual nu bioware game.
Story segments are fine tho. Its just sidequests and the open world that sucks. And its a shame, whoever worked on the design and the aesthetics made a really great job.
Also, no waifus. i wanted to fuck scout harding but after you tell her you like her nothing else happens. WHY
Also, Sera. Why? Why does she even exists?
Looks fine. I usually go for the lawful good character so it will be fun to be an incredible asshole.
pretty glad i didn't played it then.
Do the elves quest first and unlock arcane mage, after picking the arcane mage class you become super OP, all your magic points double as strength so you can wear heavy armor and wield swords while casting magic.
Arcane Warrior*
And to double the fun, make your second prestige class BLOOD MAGIC.
>Blood magic on the mage tank
Oh shit nigger what are you doing?
Arcane Warrior/Awakening specializations in Origins to get Battlemage
As a party member you can lose Alistair, but if Alistair has been hardened and you set him up to marry Anora, he will proceed with the marriage while Loghain takes his spot.
Loghain needed a option to send him to the Legion of the dead, spend the rest of his life to fight the darkspawn.
Don't bully Isabela!
Make deals with every demon you encounter, it generally results in them giving you stuff and you killing them later for xp anyway.
What I've found in Inqusition so far is that there's actually a decent amount of fun to be had but it doesn't even try to direct you towards it so most people end up doing wow fetch quests and grinding rifts.
Crestwood and the Fallow Mire are practically the only zones in the entire game that do this sensibly. The Crestwood mayor quest and the Avaar chieftan quest are a lot of fun. The Still Ruins and a lot of the Western Approach are really fun (inbetween dunes of nothing but ghouls and the same hurlock archer)
Never let Morrigan do what you can do yourself.
Actually honestly Morrigan sucks spider cock and if you have a dire need for another mage in the party, have Wynne come along instead.
>Decide I want to try and get through DA2 at least once because at the very least I understand and appreciate the concept they were going for Diamond is Unbreakable in Thedas
>See if there are any mods to overhaul and fix the gameplay
>DA2 Nexus is EXCLUSIVELY COSMETIC SHIT
>Mfw
>Getting Sten's sword
Nothing defeats that moment and how good of a fighter he becomes.
Technically speaking doing the dark ritual makes Solas stronger I think
>Kieran has Urthemiel's ass in him
>Flemythal jacks the spirit
>She dies and her power goes into Solas
I dont think normal Kieran or no Kieran universe have any sort of transfer of power to Flemeth occur
Thanks, I'll keep this stuff in mind.
Befriending Sten and realizing what makes him approve without looking online was an incredibly satisfying moment for me.
>Get pissed off at and tell him off
>Sten Approves (+10)
>Getting called Kadan
>In the epilogue he tells the Qunari he only met one person of honor, The Warden
>Fade sequence in The Tower
>Sten with his Qunari brothers
>You tell him it's a dream and he responds that of course it is, but that doesn't mean it isn't a good dream
Anyone who says Sten is a bad companion is fucking retarded. He's my personal #1
the big problem is that
a)horses run slower than you, and still have cinetic blur. This annoys me so fucking much.
aa)the otehr one wasn't a real point, but yes, you can squeeze some fun from into, but 90% of subquests are simply "got o point a, or b, or Y/kill everything there".
Its fun for a while because it pushes to explore those new areas, but since the only thing that really changes is the aesthethic and gameplay wise NOTHING changes-not the enemy, not the challenges, nothing-it gets boring fast.
b)combat is waaaay to easy, and repetitive. I got reaver, I just close my eyes and spam ring of paon-claw claw claw claw healing fist, rinse and repeat.
c)you never really feel powerful, or an inquisitor. i think they cut a lot from what the game was supposed to be-Influecence is literally just a bar with NO FUCKING utility-and it kinda pains me thinking of what they could have done with the game.
Oh, and that's without even mention allll the sjw propaganda.
You have the option to fuck mens in EVERY dialogue, but most women are untouchable or get the option only in certain dialoguues. then there's the trans, who OH POOR ME, IM TRANS, and of course dorians family. in a world where cirties die, thousands get killed and ravaged by hunger, pestilences etc, the real people who suffer are the gays, of course.
I
MHo Inquisition is better played skipping most of the subquests, and doing only characters and major ones.
And thats from someone who's going for a 100% run.
Oh, and it also tickles me off how BAD is the game optimized for the qunari. 80% of the cutscenes are off because he's too big. throne and bed are too fucking small and a lot of cutscenes are just plain retarded and ridicolous.
If you don't want to optimize the game for the race don't fucking give the option in the first place.
Horrendously shit taste.
No inquisition companion (all shit except Varric) is above an origins companion.
Only mod you really need is one for bigger cursors.
Gonna do a blood mage/arcane warrior build in DAO. What spells should I get?
I've played at least Act 1 before user
Without a gameplay mod I don't think I can force myself to the end
>Dog
*Barkspawn
>God Tier
Oghren (funny personality aside, his farewell and epilogue are so emotional)
>Great Tier
Alistair
Wynne
Barkspawn
>Good/Okay Tier
Sten
Zevran
Lelianna
>Bad Tier
Morrigan
Shale
>Loghain
Unless you make him sacrifice himself - no.
I forced myself to play through DA2 with the only mods I used being ones that made sustaining abilities not use any mana/stamina, a respec ability, and large cursors.
Just do dual-wield Rogue, Assassin>Shadow, on normal or easy.
That's how I always play the game, because it's the best way to speed up combat - by halfway through the first act you get a 'instantly reduce anything that isn't an elite boss to bloody giblets' button and eventually you get three.
I'm not a JoJo fan, but that honestly sounds like a really good summation of what the game was going for. It's worth experiencing once or twice, it has interesting lore, it handles the feeling of friendship really well and some of the waifus are cute
All the AW tree, Blood Wound, Mana Clash (for itself and Spell Might), Arcane Shield, Heal Cone of Cold, Miasma, Haste if you're not always going to keep another mage in the party to cast it (so it's forth it for me personally).
Chain Lightning is good since you can cast it with weapons drawn if you can swing it (and lets you complete SotC if you also get Blizzard or you give it to Morrigan or Wynne), but is a four-spell investment. Rock Armour is useful, especially when you're starting off and with very high spellpower, but it's not necessary so it's up to you. It's useful to have at least one (probably both) of the elemental weapons available, but you can just give that to another mage if you want. Force Field is fun to abuse and can be cast with weapons drawn, but very situational and you won't use Mind Blast (the prereq spell for Force Field) because you have to have your weapons sheathed to cast it.
That's about it, I might have gone a bit overboard with spells from tomes there but you get the idea.
Are you still here, user? I need to gauge whether it's worth typing out a response.
>Leliana only okay-tier
>Morrigan bad-tier with Shale
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Must have mod for Arcane Warrior
Works with every spell except the offensive Wardens keep one
I am user
>cole
>sigrun
>nathaniel
>dorian
>loghain
all of these are on shit tier
I'm about to start DA:O for the first time, should i bother with combat mod or just play vanilla ?
Spell might seems like it would be too hard to upkeep with shimmering shield going at the same time even with mana regen gear and mana clash is nice but it's not really worth 3 spells I won't use when I could just go the glyph route and use glyph of neutralization for anti-mage purposes. Plus spell might gives about 20 spellpower at max level, spell wisp gives half that except practically for free and it's a tier 1 spell.
Cool, but it feels like cheating
How is it cheating? Sheathing your weapons everytime you cast a spell is insanely clunky
Everything from Arcane Warrior and Blood Mage trees.
>Arcane
Screw these spells. Arcane Shield is the only one worth consideration.
>Primal
Everything from Cold tree. Frost Weapons is a good buff, Cone of Cold has amazing crowd control, Blizzard is a very good AOE spell.
You can take 3 spells from Lightning tree in order to get Tempest.
Fireball (third spell from Fire tree) is pretty good too if you can spare some points.
>Creation
Leave these spells for secondary wizard. Paralysis explosion (a combination of Glyph of Paralysis and Glyph of Repulsion), Haste (4th spell from Enhancements tree) and everything from Healing tree is good. If you don't have secondary wizard - at least pick Heal.
>Spirit
Mana Alteration tree is good for Mana Clash. It also gives you Spell Might which (when combined with Tempest and Blizzard) gives you the best offensive spell in the game - Storm of the Century.
Telekinesis tree is amazing. Force Field lets you save your party members from dragon bites, Crushing Prison is a very good offensive spell and Telekinetic Weapons is a good buff.
>Entropy
Debilitation tree offers Miasma (3rd spell) which is pretty good but not necessary imo.
Death Hex is neat but it requires heavy investment in the Hexes tree.
I'm not fond of rogues. Especially the ones who use bows instead of daggers. Personality-wise she's good.
Morrigan is a piece of shit sociopath with no empathy. She is the only companion I would classify as evil. Pragmatic but still evil.
Shale is just boring. I don't like the whole joke about her hatred towards birds and she has no empathy as well.
They obviously did that for balance reasons, although it seems pretty arbitrary for some of them (your can have drawn weapons for inferno and tempest but not for blizzard?)
>Shale is just boring. I don't like the whole joke about her hatred towards birds and she has no empathy as well.
Shale going from the meme status companion to having an emotional story starting with Cairidin recognizing her and her learning about her past in Cadash Thaig is why she's so good. There's a real character under the joke. Also she works best paired with certain companions, her and Sten are great together.
I can understand for any healing spells but it really only serves as a frustration for a lot of them imo
Cool, sorry for taking so long to reply I'm cooking. Almost done, I promise.
The trick is that for most of the game, you're usually not going to keep Spell Might and Wisp activated - activate them at the start of a zone, cast your sustainables, and deactivate them. You'll only need to keep them up (or more usually, reactivate them) if you want to do heavy damage. By the end of the game, you can obviate most or all of Shimmering Shield's mana regen penalty with gear, so you don't need to be as careful.
Personally, I much prefer Mana Clash to the glyphs - both because I never liked playing around with them personally, and because if I want an instant-fuck-the-mage-button I go with Mana Clash over the Glyph because it actually causes damage, which is useful both when fighting demons (especially in the Circle Tower) and against mage bosses. The fact you get Spell Might is just a bonus, but ultimately it's down to personal preference also I realised I forgot Spell Wisp in my list, thanks user
I didn't take Shale to Caridin so I lack the knowledge of their interactions but her personal quest is kinda weak. I knew she was a transformed dwarf waaaay before the game told me.
Also, The fact that she was in the book "The Stolen Throne" came as a surprise to me. Yes, I remember some golem being controlled by Willhelm but I didn't connect the dots immediately.
I like DA2
There's more to shale than at surface level, not having the twist spoiled would have helped a lot though
It also helps that she has one of the most fun movesets in the game
>Stance dancing between tank, melee DPS, and ranged on the fly
post more nipponese DA fan art
Koreda yo gomen'nasai.
>Legendary Hero of Fereldan has potentially had sex with nugs, a dwarf crossdresser, and/or Leliana, Zevran, and Isabela at the same time
God bless the pearl and fuck nubioware for never doing anything like it again
>Vivienne and Morrigan
>Bad
Nope.
>House slave
>Moustache twirling villain in a waifus body
Yep
Modern Bioware would never let the dwarf commoner origin fly by.
>and you never really feel powerful or really an inquisitor.
Nigga what?
Gameplay wise, you can destroy everything the game throws at you with the right class and build.
Universe wise, you have like one of the most powerful standing armies on the planet.
You're wrong on both accounts.
What's wrong with dwarf commoner?
Pretty sure you have an orgy/3way
You can in dwarf noble, then she fucking hates you later in the game because you're casteless now and her anchor baby plan didn't work.
We'll never know what the outcome of the battle of Ostagar would have been, true; notably, the Archdemon didn't commit to the field at all, but it's mostly irrelevant - in the end, retreating from Ostagar is the one action of Loghain's that you can possibly be justified.
It's just that he follows that with bad decision after bad decision, bringing Ferelden to the brink of complete ruination (needing to be dragged back by the Warden) all due to his selfishness and shortsightedness, deluding himself that it's because of his love for Ferelden.
After Ostagar, he takes no further measures to combat the Blight - he retreats to Denerim and declares himself regent, wasting resources and lives Ferelden can't afford to lose fighting a civil war when some of the Bannorn justifiably object. Instead of presenting his decision to abandon Cailan as a terrible one that needed to be made and accepting judgement, he tries to hide it by framing the Wardens and then trying to eradicate them - even though they're both (rather) apolitical and dedicated to ending the Blight at all costs. He fucks over the Circle at the worst possible time by supporting a madman who wants freedom, even though they're one of the most potent weapons against the Darkspawn and it's something he shouldn't even be interfering in... and then he turns around and uses apostates himself. He interferes with the Templars to catch a Blood Mage for himself to poison his greatest rival at the Landsmeet, sells Ferelden citizens into slavery, supports the betrayal and murder of one of Ferelden's oldest families by one of his own psychotic lackeys, and at every turn opposes the Wardens.
1/
>Arcane Warrior
Might as well open the console and put god mode on if you want to cheese the game by playing the most broken class in existence.
Retreating is fine. Abandoning troops on the field is not.
And all through this, he's fighting a needless civil war that he himself caused! Yes, Ferelden's army forms a significant part of the forces at the Battle for Denerim, but the game makes it clear that by itself it's insufficient to combat the horde - it's both the justification for the gather-the-treaties plot of the game, and also addressed when Arl Eamon tells you that if Loghain wins the support of the Landsmeet, you'll have to fall in line behind him as well because Ferelden has no other choice (not that this ever actually occurs).
That's why Loghain's actions are so bad - without the Warden's efforts, Ferelden would have been literally annihilated by Darkspawn. Logain's main rationale for leaving Cailan to die (that he was going to invite Orlais into Ferelden and they would never leave) is both disingenuous and ultimately irrelevant. Firstly, because there's no reason beyond Loghain's pathological hatred to think that the Bannorn would have stood for a marriage alliance... and secondly, even if Loghain's worst fears came true and Orlais occupied Ferelden again by force, so what, compared to the Blight? It would by possible to overthrow the Orlesians again - even after another hundred years, or five hundred years. Falling to the Blight would've led to the literal destruction of Ferelden as a nation. Everyone who hadn't left enslaved or dead, and the land itself Blighted.
...and then you find out his reason for abandoning Cailan at Ostagar was motivated by knowing that Cailan was going to divorce and humiliate his precious daughter, and he couldn't stand for that. Loghain was just a selfish, stupid, shortsighted man who made a grab for power and betrayed the king he swore to serve, and tried to drape it in an argument of 'but it was for love of country'.
2/2, rant over
>Retreating is fine. Abandoning troops on the field is not.
I agree. Fuck Loghain.
You're right about Morrigan, but Vivienne is a terrible character and you should feel bad about liking her.
Honestly, even on high difficulties any class can become overpowered. It's just easier with an AW
What other choice did he have besides assuming leadership? He's the best military leader in the country and they need that for the coming wartime, the nobility fracturing in a typical power struggle in the face of a blight is out of his hands. And he needed the full support of the country if he was going to combat the blight (even with the full support I'm skeptical he could have manged.)
He also didn't have any Grey Warden contracts to use, Ferelden was effectively without allies at this point, so any aid would have come at great cost and concessions to whoever aided him. We've met Celene of Orlais in Inquisition now, she's a right cunt, she would have demanded the country back in return for aiding it, the Free Marches are the next closest place and they're a bunch of fucked disorganized city states. The Warden only received the dwarves of Orzammars aid because they worked literal miracles to make it happen.
Loghain's effort were doomed from the start. But what was he supposed to do? Charge in gallant loss? Let the nobles walk all over him? Tell the country to put their faith in the order that tried to usurp power with demons and blood magic at one point? "The adventurers will handle it!" None of these things are something in a position of political power could do. Loghain was fighting a lost war from the start, but given the circumstances he handled it better than most people could have.
Loghain also didn't know about Cailan's plot until Return to Ostagar if you take him, otherwise he is none the wiser to the plan. That being his motivation was canned before release.
I think my only complaint about Origins is that it had way too many fucking warriors.
Seriously I have almost no reason not to run rogue for melee class purposes.
Zevran is dirty with just momentum and combat movement, backstabs at a million miles a fucking second. Then all the rogue stunlocks and utilities are nice. I liked to max out their traps and poisons.
Archers are just fucking useless though.
>Archers are just fucking useless though.
>Midgame enemy encounters are just one long sequence of being Scattershot'd by groups of enemy archers
Fucking bioware
>*casts curse of mortality on you*
>Teleports behind you
>Mana clash
>Pssh nothing personel kid.
That's a nice healer you have there
Be a shame if something happened to it