For as much as you guys shit on X, VII has way more issues with its plot

For as much as you guys shit on X, VII has way more issues with its plot.

... Alright, care to elaborate what issues? List the plotholes and we can try to answer to them.

All they have to do to end most of their issues is get rid of Rufus and yet the game consistently gets them avoiding him for...some reason.
Also, docking a ship in harbor with fucking dead bodies all over is totally normal? No panic by the workers? Nothing?

I feel like FF7's "Cloud was just the dude in the generic guard outfit" was a more clever twist than "I'm a dream"

>this shitty game is better than this shitty game

Okay?

How would getting rid of Rufus solve their biggest problems? Sephiroth and Hojo were the biggest problems.

No?

The goal in the game is not to stop Shinra, it's to stop Sephrioth.

They avoid Shinra because there is no reason to get into unnecessary fights when they aren't the goal.

Killing Rufus would make them murderers. Yes, they slay guards and such all the time, but in JRPG logic, that does not count. Yuna is not a murderer either. And killing Rufus would not bring Shin-Ra down, simply change leadership; the same that happened when President Shinra died.

What ship are you talking about?

Costa de la Sol

Cloud/Sephiroth/Hojo plot was really boring, and I could've honestly done without

Mako/Weapon/Shinra was a much better story, and I would've loved to have kept that going, before all that cloning, and corrupt bullshit going on.

Like, let's have Shinra be a driving force of the downfall to the planet still. But, no bullshit. Just leave at that. Shinra drains the energy from the planet, and the planet fights back with the ancient materia weapons.

imagine if they got rid of Rufus early and then there would probably of been no stopping the 2 weapons the giant canon took out

Sephiroth killed the bodies under the deck and no one was there to witness it and panic?

Nah, I hate the good vs. evil shit. I liked that there were three factions. Shinra was still fucking up the planet, but also trying to take down Sephiroth along with their rival. Sometimes they battled, sometimes they were unwittingly on the same side. It related to modern day, how the US and Russia are in a proxy war over the Syrian civil war, but then there's also ISIS, the Sephiroth of the conflict that both sides hate and the actual biggest threat.

10 is from squareenix
everything before 10 is squaresoft
Squaresoft ruined themselves by pulling a Toriyama Lightning situation with the spirit within movie.
Squaresoft directors made amazing games with great storylines which made you really think the directors were drinking galleons of LSD.
SquareEnix directors deal in waifuisms and daddy issues.

To sum up some Toriyama faggot came along ruined Squaresoft by making a very terrible movie off of terrible CGI that they said was cutting edge shit that would make super models of the future crap their pants because of his waifuism bullshit dick fuckery then proceeded the company to take a nosedive into a merger with Enix to become SquareEnix in which a new line of heads took over and said to stop taking acid you fucks and write me some good ol fashioned anti social issues clinging with daddy regret and muh idealism in this one bitch I wanted to fuck one summer game.

To think Final Fantasy 9 once had a coca cola commercial, then one Toriyama faggot fucked it all up and then they started smelling farts with 10 and onward.

You can't really separate the two storylines, it all builds together. The Promised Land, Sephiroth, Shin-Ra, they're all interrelated. That was the whole point of the Lifestream and the lore behind it.

Everything would still basically happen, but it'd leave out the bullshit of the story.

You'd still have Avalanche, trying to take down the big coporate Shinra plnet killers. And the planet would still fight back with the Weapons.

All the good. None of the bad. You don't need Meteor and Holy for the story, you've got Weapon and Shinra. And Weapon would accomplish everything Meteor would've, and Avalanche would have to try and be Holy

When you played FF7 as a kid you seriously didn't find Sephiroth the biggest badass in video game history? With One Winged Angel? If they had gone your way, neither of those would have ever happened.

game is 3 disk long and heavy on the store. we can forgive a few plot issues.

10 was the last FF before the Enix merger

Yeah, of course he was the greatest. But, I'm just saying the story had a lot more potential to not be ruined by homosexual fan boy shit if it had some fat trimmed, Sephiroth & Cloud being the fat. You could even keep Jenova, and Hojo, but let's not have some god complex failure experiments hogging up the true story of the world.

But, yes of course I had a Necromancer on Diablo 2 named after Sephiroth in some degree or manner, and I'm sure it didn't stop there either.

10 IS NOT FROM SQUARE ENIX!!!!!!!!

10 IS SQUARESOFT!!!!!!

With this being said.. I'm putting emphasis on the backing story having to be good, as opposed to just flashy characters.

I can't help but feel like new FF, especially FF7 related titles are only adding more flash, and taking more away from the world building and history. Retconning homosexual bullshit, like Gackt and Gensis what the fuck is that? I don't even know who they are or what the fuck happened to the story. But, they fucked it all up.

Final Fantasy 8 is great because, even without Squall, or Ultimecia. The Sorceress War was a thing, Esthar was a great city, great history, great action throughout the world building. Galbadia, Dollet, the communications, it's all what really bring everything together, to make it great, and playable. Garden's, Shumi's, the Cetra and the Lunar Cry, all great world building plots. FF7 ruins their own history with dumb flashy bullshit.

A lot of VII's plot issues come form its shit localization.

I simply feel having that evil wanna-be-god is part of the classic FF experience. I think they build the character well in FF7 and tie him to all the other parts of the plot beautifully in the end. I'm pretty sure it was thanks to Sephiroth through which Barret realized that terrorism was ultimately wrong. I think he had many purposes plot-wise, I'd just need to take my time to recall everything.

Because of that, I can't agree with you. What the FF series has become today is a different matter.

I see where you're coming from, and don't disagree completely, either.

But, as long as we can all agree modern FF is shit, how we enjoy the good ones is subjective anyway.

I could shoot the shit about FF all day long.

This. Though that was a problem with a lot of Japanese games back in the 90s and early 2000s.

Did they actually describe the events of Cait Sith in detail in the Jap version or something?