How do we fix EVO? Or, more broadly, how do we save the fighting game genre?

How do we fix EVO? Or, more broadly, how do we save the fighting game genre?

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Capcom needs to get out immediately. They stink up the joint.

By voting tekken 7 or melee. The only real choices

make melee 2
my nig

Play Ragna's game

FGs are fine. Evo is also fine.

D A D D Y

If you want more people playing fighting games, the execution barrier must be lower.

Not something monkey tier like for honor but way easier than it is right now.

It's the worse learning curve genre, far worse than mobas or RTS who suffer from this problem for different reasons.

Evo is ok desu, most of the bad will clean itself pretty soon

Remove Injustice, Smash 4, Tekken
Add three anime fighters of your choice
Replace Melee with PM
Replace SFV with USF4 or 3S

If you booted smash, the venue would smell better and people would be less inclined to play dogshit games

Outside making straight up casual fighters (and not casualizing like SFV), there's no way to go any "easier" for fighting games.

Killer Instinct is fun to watch.

the real savior of fighting games is coming out soon.

Would have been so funny if Pokken won the vote.

For the rest, I don't really care about what game is included at EVO. KI deserves a spot for example, but it's not like it won't be at EVO (side tournament) and there is still Combo Breaker or the World Cup next month.

Also, I expected the list to be like that, outside of Blazblue, so I don't see any point in complaining.

Killer Instinct is better then SFV, Capcom DLC milking trash

>people would be less inclined to play dogshit games

sf will always be the most popular game in the fgc

Say that to SF3.

Rising Thunder did one button specials and people still complained. I don't think lowering execution barrier is the answer.

It's just hard to keep people wanting to play no matter how easy or hard the game is.

Thank god.

Tell smashfags to pick a game and drop the other one for a different fighter with different mechanics.

Add Super Turbo

This is true due to the fact that SFV is for people that can't even play fighting games and just go with the most popular trend, street fighter third strike is the only good street fighter, even with it's balance problems

They need a better carrot and fix the sticks.

I think pokken strikes the right balance of lowering execution without sacrificing core traditional fighting game mechanics/coventions

On that note, replace melee with Pokken. Or replace smash 4, but then SFV and MvC3 should go for third strike and MvC2

Only time SF3 wasn't the most popular was in the early days and that was only in america.

SF3 was never the most popular. MvC2 and even Guilty Fear got more entrants for a lot of years

You don't.
There's so many fighting games out now that it's impossible to cater to everyone.
This problem is multiplied when a community for a franchise have a large number of people who cling to older games in its series (street fighter and smash especially).

And skullgirls kinda opened the way for a tonn of indi fighters to come through but just get curb stomped by the bigger names in the scene.

It needs a purge so maybe half a dozen games are around at a time, or the smart thing to do imo is instead of making Street fighter 6 then 7 then 8 with updated versions in between. Make a platform that is updated periodically. Granted this kind of system is more effective on PC but with console life cycles nowadays I see no reason why it wouldn't work there as well.

>Get rid of the nintoddler party game trash EVO should be about fighting games
>Bring back USF4
>Get rid of tekken its irrelevant
>Bring back Marvel
>Get rid of blazblue, like seriously wtf is this shit?
>Bring in classic like ST or at a push USF2

There EVO is fixed

>>Bring in classic like ST or at a push USF2
No one bothered to pay up for ST this year.

Source on that? GG in Japan I could maybe see but not in America. MvC2 in America I could see too but Japan lmao.

Tekken Irrelevant,
Bring back Marvel,
K E K

>Remove smash 4
>But add this unsupported mod that got CaD'd though

>should be about fighting games

Nah, EVO is for competitive game, we had Mario Kart one year and Catherine every year (and Catherine is great). Also, Smash can be a fighting game.

>Bring back Marvel

UMVC3 is in.

>Get rid of blazblue, like seriously wtf is this shit?

Last time Blazblue was included, its tournament was great, that Litchi vs Azrael GF was truely awesome.

look guys he hates Injustice and tekken look how cool he is

Street Fighter V: 5065.
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U: 2637.
Super Smash Bros. Melee: 2350.
Pokkén Tournament: 1165.
Guilty Gear Xrd: 903.
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3: 770.
Mortal Kombat X: 707.
Tekken 7: 543.

>Would have been so funny if Pokken won the vote.

Pokken's actually a pretty decent fighting game though and honestly could have used the popularity boost.

Also it's legitimately one of the most well balanced fighting games around as well.

>hear about fighting game meetups people at my college have
>show up
>"melee is over there, sm4sh is over there"

>Add three anime fighters of your choice

Pretty sure they actually want viewers buddy

Remove melee

>Also it's legitimately one of the most well balanced fighting games around as well.
Funny how absolutely EVERYONE says that about EVERY shitty dead fighting game they are nuthugging

Too bad Nintendo fucked it all up by the shitty local multi-player options.
Seriously 2 tvs, 2 copies of the game and a router.
Why not a cord or something?

people who unironically wanted pokken also unironically want furry dildos up their ass

Oh, yeah, I agree with you, I just wanted to see EVO getting shat on by Marvel guys. I mean, even if it was for charity, I'm not a fan of that idea of making community compete, especially with money, it's giving the middle finger to the modest one, like Skullgirls (this game never had a chance at EVO, on the main stage)

>melee neutral evil

Super smash bros.

get rid of SFV and reinstate USF4, drop smash and injustice. Fixed.

Get rid of Blazblue, put GG on Sunday
Get rid of Tr4sh, put Melee on Sunday.

What did James Chen mean exactly when he said "Melee is more technical than any conventional fighting game"?

You have to destroy your hands to be a pro.

Get rid of SmashWiiU and Melee, and it looks pretty fun.

Source is any old pools posted for old majors.
SF3 was that unpopular for years. Fucking 3s wasn't even taken seriously in tournaments until Tokido showed off Urien in 2002. Yes MvC2 was the king, but 3S wasn't able to ride on it's coattails in the early years.

I have no idea what the culture was in Japan, but going by arcade profits and SBO scheduling, SF3NG and SF32I were a flop. I have 3S is a mystery to me.

>Melee is more technical than any conventional fighting game

James Chen is a fucking traitor gook. Nobody in the FGC will EVER respect him again after that embarrassing statement. Melee is for fuckingbabbies play a real game faggots

Pokken champ was a legit furry. He had a bunch of furry porn of his main. I never knew how huge the JP furry community was until I checked him and his buddies out. I thought sad panda archived everything, but they dont.

Post 5 seconds of you wavedashing in melee.

Replace every game with Dong Dong Never Die

Tekken 7 doesn't even have a home release, it's no wonder it has low sales. Wait for the normies to jump on it, there's a reason why Tekken is the fighter that has sold the most in the entire world. Europoors love it.

Injustice 2 is really the only thing I dislike on that list. It's a good year.

Drop the fucking western games.

kek removing boons games and tekken for anime garbage hope youre not serious faggot

It is.

Post 1 second of yourself doing a DP input, babby. Shouldn't be too hard if you can """wavedash""" in Melee.

Get fucked, Pokken.

Give attention to more than just sf and smash. Its not anybody's fault, but if you're asking the question, there's your answer.

twitch/teamsp00ky
The commentators are actually pretty fun

Very clearly the fighting game community doesn't even want to save itself. I have never seen an entire genre so devoted to its self destruction that they not only actively seek to ward off newcomers but they also actively seek the ruin of other competitive fighting games.

It's like everyone's on a fucking liferaft in the middle of a tsunami and everyone's efforts are split between shooting holes in the raft and shooting at each other.

As a person who plays both, but mostly fightan these days, this is correct. To play Fox or Falco your hands need to flying all over the fucking place. Add to the fact that movement is analogue leads to stuff like perfect wavedashes and ledgedashes, shield dropping, SDI, you have to be insanely precise.

This is not to disparage any traditional fighting game of course. They're technical in their own right. But you never see the hands of people who play traditional fighting games explode on a regular basis.

Remove SFV
Remove KOF
Remove Injustice 2
Remove BlazBlue

fixed

the highest level of melee play is one trillion times harder than the highest level of play in SF

you dont know it because you dont play melee

>inb4 smashbby

ive played melee for 15 years along with MVC and SF

being on mango/armada's melee level is impossible

Kek

>Get rid of Blazblue, put GG on Sunday

The most memorable thing of GG at EVO:
>"WHAT ARE YOU STANDING UP FOOOOOOOOOOR?" which is something out of the game and doesn't have anything to do with the level of play in the actual match

The most memorable thing of BB at EVO:
>Garireo's clutch comebacks against Dogura in grand final

BB: 1
GG: 0

more smash games

More like it's trying to ward off a cancer and a disease that is Nintentoddlers.

Smashbby. Melee is the easiest competitive "fighter" out there. Why? Simple, it was made for kids and has no mechanics beyond that, nobody else bothers with the game, so the toughest kid in kindergarten thinks he's Arnold. You've played fuck all for 15 years and you invalidate your own made up experience in the same post.

fucking lamo at least i can have an opinion because i've played all of them you're just a shitter who actually believes playing SF/MVC takes more technical skill than a top level fox

literally lmaoing at your ignorance

Keep looking. It took me a while, but I found a pretty solid scene down here buried beneath all the smash

>itt casuals who dont realize Soul Calibur 2/3 is the supreme apex FG

>Melee is the easiest competitive "fighter" out there
nigger have you actually played the game competitively or been to a local, or are you just talking out of your ass?

Kick Capcom to the curb. They have their own tournaments anyway. Hopefully there will be a smash for switch soon so the players can have a tournament in a dumpster where it belongs.

Alright, I'll bite
>Melee is the easiest competitive "fighter"
Alright kid, go to a local and get back to me once you go 0-2

You know how people have problems with KoF short hops? Well there's several more movement mechanics in smash, particularly melee. Also do you understand how in order to have good combo execution you need to realize the situation before it happens and choose the right combo accordingly. Same thing in smash, but you have to predict their DI as well. Instead of explicit combo mechanics like chains, special/super cancels, roman/focus cancel, crouch cancel smash has analog movement, even in hitstun, and two years of hitstun. There's also time your attacks so you get the right hitbox.

Personally my biggest issue is that if you can't reliably get a touch of death, your mid tier. Even cpt and icies are high tier cause they have brain dead kills. If there were wakeup game other then predict tech roll, then that would be cool, but then the game would have to be probably balanced, cause as it is, mid tier have less tech chase potential.

Push for puyo puyo tetris for next EVO.

Same thing can be said about any top player you dummy. You think you can be as good as Daigo or Nuckledu in SF?

Nothing wrong with that.

>You can only disclose that the game is garbage if you have played it professionally
>But you can say the game is the best fighter if you haven't played it professionally
>Classic argument deflection via arbitrary conditions

BAHAHAHA! Kids game is apparently the hardest competitive fighter out there. I've played Melee (no Smash 4) and I actually have seen it at local tourneys. It's hot garbage, children. To compare it to something like 3rd Strike or MvC2 is just sad, really.

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doesn't need saving
as usual Sup Forums has no way of actually discussing fighting games because they require a barrier of entry:skill.

this desu

t. got 0-2'd by a Link main

enjoy being eclipsed by Melee for all time

I assure you playing a high level fox requires more skill than playing anything SF/MVC has to offer

Hell, im not even a high level fox and it was way easier for me to play USF4 than to input all of the fox techskill correctly

As somebody who actually competes in multiple fighting games at an intermediate level:

Every game takes an insane amount of skill. An incomprehensible amount of skill. The ability to perform at even 70% of your best play on the big stage with all the pressure on you, takes more skill than any of you will ever apply to anything. The game could be something as simple as Divekick, and the guys you see getting top 8 will understand more nuances and details about not only the game and it's mechanics itself, but how those mechanics manifest in the human mind.

That said, in terms of difficulty,

Melee > Anime = Tekken > Smash 4 = KoF > Marvel 3 = Netherrealms >>> SFV > meme games.
SFIV would be around the Netherrealms or KoF level. Older fighters (CvS2, Marvel 2, ST) seem to be around anime level, however I don't have too much experience with them.

At last a non nigger opinion

What do you think about Soul Calibur? is there any hope after V?

Never touched soul calibur, sry

>first user compares us to top melee players
>you compare top melee players to top sf players
Exactly, they both have skill that we don't.

>Ignores the fallacy he created
>t.

You would honestly think I would play such a shit game with the furry faggots the game attracts at some event? Keep the AIDs to yourself, nigger. I've only played it on Dolphin and put it the fuck down like a dog when a clone like Small Arms mirrors it near perfectly, but can't stay because Sakurai didn't touch it.

>get rid of blazblue

Except pokken actually is. There are really only 3 tiers outside of the joke character and all 3 are viable.

all memes aside enjoy playing games that will be eclipsed by melee for all eternity

also

>implying i live in the US so i have to tolerate the autism levels of the fanbase
>implying that my 20 man crew of players dont gather up every weekend and drink/smoke like normal people and then play tons of melee

enjoy being shit generally bro

I wish it was as big over here as it is in japan. Hopefully it does decently over here. Some matches are interesting to watch.


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>That said, in terms of difficulty,
>Melee > Anime = Tekken

the smash niggers are going full tard. anime shit like blazblue and GG are 10x harder than both tekken and especially melee.

fuckin stop with this shit and giving melee players such a bad name, no wonder the fgc dont care about us, theres babies like you claiming smash in any iteration is the hardest game, its seriousy pathetic

melee is the most technival fg ever created

it's your inability to accept it what causes you to be such a nigger falseflagger

why did the fighting genre die and when did its decline begin

when melee crowned itself king