How would you make it so that he's no longer a must-pick in basically every single game?

How would you make it so that he's no longer a must-pick in basically every single game?

delete all other characters

he is now only pick in every game

Make maps without choke points and he is no longer needed
Their shitty map design forces a rein pick

make the next hero hardcounter him?

Shield is 1,000 HP but regenerates 1.5x quicker.

Shield auto-drains, something around 100 every 5-10 seconds

Buff Bastion

Oh, wait.

He's a must pick because, fundamentally, he is the ONLY tank in the game.

Make another character that can use a shield like him. Allow Symmetra to hold her shield in front of her for example.

The odd part is that if you play him, the other team kinda needs a rein too just to counter the ult.

Nerf LITERALLY every single damage done in the game

that's the only way the only guy that can properly shield teammates becomes no longer a must pick

>make Winston's shield block more damage and have less cool down
>rework D.Va's defense matrix, make it damage based and not time based
>add a new hero with a shield that differs from Rein in every other way

There's Zarya, too, who's OP as fuck.

>nerf all damage
>rein indirectly becomes even more OP

Are you a teenager?

Pretty much this, every other "tank" is just a glorified fat offense hero with a dumb gimmick.

Were you around in beta before Winston got nerfed into oblivion?

>Nerf literally every single damage
I got a strong feeling that this game would be a lot better if they nerf the Press Q to kill everyone in this room

And without chokepoints, it just becomes yet another 'everyone does their own thing and rack up a high k/d' game.

Buff Winston's shield
Also didn't they say one of the new heroes may be an "alternative Reinhardt"?

more of an off-tank, better than winston.

>rework D.Va's defense matrix, make it damage based and not time based
It's like you want to keep nerfing D.Va even more and more.

>Implying Bastion will be any better at killing rein's shield now
>Implying the bastion change isn't an enormous nerf
He could already take it out without having to reload, and with the removal of headshots, he is now WORSE at killing tanks, plus with the awful spread it has now, he is also WORSE at killing squishies.
Literally all they did was make his sentry mode worse and make his recon mode a worse version of Soldier 76.

She's a clutch tank that works well in a few specific comps. Rein works well as a main tank in just about every comp except dive.

The only way they're getting rid of Rein as a must pick is to add another character can do the same main tank role. Same thing with Lucio, until there's another means of speedboost he's a must pick 99% of the time.

>make Winston's shield block more damage and have less cool down

1 thing i would like to add to this. I fucking wish the shield exploded like it does in the Winston trailer. Atleast then it would deter enemies from just running inside of it.

I'd love this just cause I can't react to the fast damage

He isn't a must pick, people just seem to think so.
Without characters to capitalize on his shield, there's no point to have a Rein

How were you headshotting tanks through rein's shield before?

Probably Doomfirst, who probably punches away projectiles with his fist or something.

Zarya isn't even a tank. She's essentially a support hero with high damage output.

Have you even played on the PTR recently?

You're dumb as fuck if you don't see the value teamwork has in this game
A team who still works together will beat a team who "does their own thing" 9/10 times

>Nerf all damage ever done
>Snipers are now even MORE useless

He still has the highest DPS of anyone in the game by far, and the highest DPS up to 40m, do you know how many engagements happen inside of 40m? Almost all of them, out shoot a widow with soldier you stupid fuck.

His spread increase is only a nerf to very long range engagements, close-mid is still just as effective even without headshots. The sentry deploy/release, heal and recon buff means he doesn't instagib the moment he pops sentry, he's super mobile now.

Good

>tank meta remains
>good

This game has no hope.

Sombra can hack through his shield. That's it. The game's supposed to be around hero swapping so having one that counters another hard isn't a terrible thing.

>sombra is suddenly a must pick in every game

Revert McCrees flashbang or damage falloff

Sombra can hack Rein, but she's useless against every other hero.

Most people can't even use her properly, meaning she won't even get the chance to hack Rein.

>35% damage taken reduction is a huge nerf

Sup Forums in a nutshell

damage absorbed by D.va's shield should translate into attack power

So you want her to be Mecha Zarya?

increase the number of abilities such as symmetra's energy ball that ignore barriers

He'd still most likely be an instant pick, but stay first person while barrier is up.

>Sombra a must pick
>when the enemy team isn't running Rein anymore because you have Sombra
>and she"s still useless against everyone else

Yes. And Bastion is still gutter trash, but at least he could actually kill people before this """buff"""
>Start shooting at a roadhog
>Hooked before he's at less than half HP
>Start shooting at a Zarya
>Bubbled before she's at half HP
>Rein jumps around the corner and charges at you
>Can no longer kill him before he reaches you as you could before
>D. Va still invalidates Bastion entirely
>Bastion now stands no threat against squishies at medium range

>He still has the highest DPS of anyone in the game by far
And he's still a stationary target in while doing the one thing he's good at doing, only now he does less damage.

>close-mid is still just as effective even without headshots
Its really not. You could kill a Roadhog before he even knew where you were in sentry mode before. Now you shoot him for almost a full second before he dies.

*in sentry mode
Which where they should have been focusing all their buffs, not the mode that was meant for relocation.

Bring back shield damage to Pharah's E.

Give some heroes weapons that can go thru barrier.

>Beam sniper for Widow
>Beam rockets for 76
>Beam sound waves for Lucio

>Beam sniper for Widow
No.
NO.

prolly better than your shitty ideas
>both me btw

He's not needed in every situation possible, Any other tank except roadhog can still help out better. Especially on the CP maps

Bring back shield killers like they had in Alpha. I would like for a character or two to have dedicated shield busters for Rein, Zarya, and Winston.

I could tell, cause they were both horrid.
He's fine as it is. Most shitters will die with or without his shield before Rein can turn around and wonder where the fuck his team went.
I'd honestly just lower the shield radius a tiny bit if he was actually that important, but he isn't.

Let's look at why Reinhardt is so well liked first.

>Big shield with 2000 HP, can tank for days. Shield is also a magical one way mirror where the entire team can shoot through it but most enemy attacks just hit the shield
>Charge will kill most heroes that aren't tanks. Any non-tank that survives will usually die to one or two left clicks
>Fireball has impressive range, hits hard, does splash damage, and penetrates.

Reinhardt is a little OP. Not too much, but because he's not a proper fighter like Genji or something it's a bit harder to notice. Honestly what Reinhardt needs is a good nerf to balance him out.

>Reduce shield size and HP by 50%. This makes it so that the entire team can't hide for free and the shield doesn't take ages to break. Increase shield recharge time when fully broken to balance it out.
>Fireball should have a range reduction by 75%, remove splash damage. This stops Reinhardt from sniping enemies and keeps him more close ranged based like he's supposed to be. Maybe make the fireball move faster to balance it out?
>Charge should only do 75 damage. It's not going to insta-kill as many people, it's only going to be used to chase down heroes that are low on HP or be used as an opening move.

I also feel like Reinhardt's ult needs a change. It shouldn't knockdown, or at least for not as long. It comes out faster than Mei's ult and keeps you grounded for just as long if not longer. Its the worst. Make it do more damage to compensate or pop you up into the air or something, but remove the knockdown stun.

>radius

I think you mean arc-length, unless you wanted his shield to be more rounded that is

fuck off rein main

Is this one of those primarchs from 40k?

I ONLY PLAY HIM CAUSE NONE OF THE SHITTERS IN SOLO QUEUE WILL PICK A SINGLE TANK
He's fun as fuck too
Well yeah, the shield size, im just retarded and round.
It's still a shit idea. I don't know, i think rein is pretty balanced. Probably the reason why people ask for him is cause he's the character that most "shows" teamwork to the other players i guess.

>fun
You mean fucking boring as hell right? Hog and Zar a way more fun.

Hog is just a one trick pony, except on nepal at least.
I just like the situations where i either whipe out the whole team with me sturdy hammer or the entire team gangs up on me. Also with rein your entire team treats you like a big papa And healers just stick to your ass as if it had magnets

Make the game not shit for starters.
Give it enough flexibility and depth so there's more than 1 right way of playing.

Start of by making sure every class has one main fire, one alt fire, two activated abilities and even the main fire could have some extra nuance in how it can be used.

Hell, nerf ults across the board but make them easier to grind so they're more like strong abilities that can be used constantly than game changing super cooldowns.

OW's issue is that every class comes down to a one trick pony, so the whole game is just about stacking the most effective comp out of those straight forward options.

>its a Sup Forums is trash at the game and never goes dive comp episode

>only tank that can directly protect teammates
Go from there

Silver shitter detected

>Dive comp
>Winston leads the charge with a jump
>dies immediately because "lol Roadhog does 400+ damage in one shot"
Anyways, this user holds truth. Dive comp is pretty nice

Exactly, just like Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike and Rainbow Six Siege.

Oh wait.

TF2 IS a fragfest, can't say much of RSS since i haven't played much of it, but it just feels like a more claustrophobic Counter Strike, so you are right with that one.

>Sentry mode is worse
>Nano Sentry can't be killed by High Noon even after the full 6 seconds it won't be enough to kill him
>Can outheal a full 76 clip
>Outheals Dragonstrike
Bastion will be a must pick on defense and you know it. Only good thing to come outta this is Sombra will be more useful

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to be fair, that was when you could have multiple of the same character on one team, having multiple winstons was OP

>all those nerfs at once
>making Reinhardt total gutter trash tier
You are massively overdoing it. The reason Blizz barely nerfs things at the same time is because they're afraid of doing some dumb ass shit like your suggestions that will effectively completely remove a character from the game.

Rein's shield is the primary problem with him. Combined with the map design having tons of chokes, his shield is a mandatory tool to push through on offense, or stand your ground in defense. Personally, I would nerf it's hp down to 1500 or 1600, and probably increase the delay before it starts regenerating a bit. This way there will be more time to capitalize on taking his shield down without making it worthless for anything but personal protection.

Firestrike is fine. It does large damage but travels extremely slowly.

His melee should slow him down while he's swinging. Rein being able to stick to people without movement options and slap them for 80 a hit is too good, especially with how bad his hitbox is.

Charge should do more damage the further you travel with your target, reaching it's full, current damage cap after 2 seconds or so. That way if he just bumps someone against a wall, they'll shrug it off. No more cheap instant kills from around a corner, but maybe he can land a firestrike afterwards to secure a kill on a weakened opponent.

As for his ult, it needs to be more consistent, and give more delay between the warning yell and the ult effect. It comes out too quickly right now to be countered by anything but another Rein ult, or a Zen/Lucio that don't get hit by it.

Can someone answer this question instead: why is him being a must have such an issue for you guys?

You can't do anything to Reinhard tuneless you massively nerf Roadhog, because he' rewarded way too fucking much for a single hook

Add 10s cooldown after he drops the shield.

They shouldn't even bother nerfing anyone.
That hardly makes the game more fun.

If right now they had not nerfed anyone so far and instead just buffed the few characters that that haven't been nerfed so far the game as a whole would be better.


I mean look at the tanks, they've nerfed hog, they nerfed zarya and they'll nerf rein soon when all they had to do was buff winston and dva.

Yeah, just like games that are fun.

Easy, I would stop playing shitty blizzard games.

This
The maps that are not KotH are fucking chokepointpaloozas

Make Sombra being able to hack through the shield and presto

That's te point of the game though, every chokepoint is just a checkpoint to try and fuck up the other team, also you only need a mosquito tracer or any flanker and half of the other team will chase them around like retards.
What the fuck man. Don't even joke about that.

Because in a game where each team chooses 6 of 20something heroes, it shouldn't turn into choose 5 of 20something -1 heroes - let alone 4 of or 3 of.