What went so fucking wrong?

what went so fucking wrong?

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I think they ran out of money making the game and had to resort to horrible schemes to try to get people to pay

Probably handled by the worst devs i have ever seen, I don't think i've ever played an mmo with such an incompetent developer in my life

They forgot that the game was an MMO and needs a stable server and code to hold a lot of people.

Somehow RO was a fluke, and ToS is the proof.
It's real depressing honestly.

QUICK
Recommend me a modern MMO with lots of farming and grinding BUT it must be rewarding.

It's in the alpha/beta phase but Project Gorgon is pretty solid. Wish I could play it more honestly.
Graphically it's old AF but gameplay and exploration is solid. Skill acquisition is p tight, and the community aint too bad at all.

FFXIV is grindy as a motherfucker if you want cool skins to wear, but they do last

i don't think any mmo is truly "rewarding" unless you meet some cool people

Maplestory

Shit's tragic, because behind the absurdly incompetent devs and Nexon rushing the game there was some cool shit like the music, artstyle (outside those bugeyed female character portraits), and setting.
>We will never get another game that uses Lithuanian mythology ever again.

WoW legion, I quit because even though I already got legendary and quite high ilvl it was simply too much of a chore. Like going home from work to another work

It's just impossible to replicate RO's magic today
It came out when MMO community was different

My friend used to shill this game (and Archage) to me daily. He said the problems were massively exaggerated and that it's an amazing game overall for old RO fans. AHAHAHA

Playing the early levels with a controller it's so fuckin good and comfy but the game becomes to repetitive and boring after that

Nothing to grind for aside from shitty arena PvP.
No side activities to break up the grind.
Harsh marketplace restrictions for bad goyim.
Buggy.
Poorly balanced.
Too little variety in grinding areas early on.
Goddess/Demon lord art makes you take fap breaks.
Combat has a lot of downtime.

This.

The feeling is washed out. A lot of people need to move on and realize that that magic is gone.

Your old guild will never come back, the drama will never happen again, you will never meet that girl and get to know her again... etc.

Be glad you experienced it, and move on. Don't bastardize its memory by trying to recreate it.

Too much grind midgame

>It came out when MMO community was different
Yeah, MMOs then weren't aimed at the single player community.

>there was some cool shit like the music
Even RO2 music is great. Somehow gooks are pretty good at this MMO BGMs business.
>>We will never get another game that uses Lithuanian mythology ever again.
I feel your pain, bro.

>Combat has a lot of downtime.
I always thought that downtime was one of the most important parts of MMOs, but that it should never be implemented into the combat or action of it all.
>those times of waiting for party members, boats and generally shit that takes a long time
keeps the ADHD kiddies out and gives you an excuse to interact with people to spend some time

ToS isnt anywhere near as good as RO. It fails in a ton of aspects that RO touched on.

Yeah, sitting in RO while chatting so people could recover their SP was the shit, that alone increase the players sociability. Magnificat best skill ever.

Somehow other games had the idea but never implemented it, like in WoW, in which a campfire granted a spirit bonus to the people resting (a whole +4 spirit!) and some food gave buffs.

Shit community and shit gameplay

I mean a fluke form the developers
As in them making something good was a fluke

Developers are lazy Jews.

They're fleecing the whales before the game goes tits up.

My friend bought me a bundle on launch. Feel bad I only played for a week. Started as Cleric and wanted to go Monk. Fucking HATED that my heal was also my damaging spell. Adding to that, both party members and enemies had to stumble onto the squares the spell occupied. Once they were on tile with the spell on it, the tile would clear. It was stupid as fuck.

>A digital haircut in this game costs more than a real haircut from a barber

Defend this

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You can play ro again user in an alive server like the old times, you only need to know is how to read the japanesebecause somehow JRO is the only official server alive

>keknewal

The same problem as pretty much every MMO

You could do it all solo.

>but world bosses!!!
You just rock up and get invited to a party then never speak again
>dungeons!!
Dungeon finders mean you don't need to know anyone
>so many levels!!!
You can solo it with the right build, hell you can solo dungeons with the right builds

Instant recipe for mediocrity for everyone on Sup Forums who wants an MMO

You either have JRO or a handful of people and merchant multiclients migrating from pserver to pserver.

/ROG/ please stay dead you already ruined hundred of Sup Forums guilds.

>Dungeons
About that...
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the devs didn't listen the core community around fgts and closed betas, and abandoned development after release.
private servers when? just let the community make this game the way it was supposed to be

The game tried to be hardcore grinding like what people said they wanted, then players complained like crazy about it being too grindy so now it's a weird hybrid sandbox/themepark game with a lot of the flaws of both but only a few of the advantages from each. Kind of like what happened to Wildstar, people said they wanted big raids like old WoW and then "wtf I don't have time to organize 30 people".

One thing that would have helped the game a lot would've been balancing the classes so that you could start with any of them and then branch out, then applying formulas to skills instead of the shitty base damage based on rank system the game currently has. A ton of people were driven away by things like needing to grind through 150 levels just to play the Monk class which is completely different from the rest of the cleric tree.

I'm surprised there wasn't a documentary-like video that talks about how shitty ToS is.

thanks for video, its a waifu orchestra.

1: Weird fucking classes with names nobody can remember
2: Servers were absolute shit
3: Music wasn't half as charming as RO
4: World in general was a worse setting
5: Not enough cute girl costumes
6: Fucking terrible payment schemes made it feel like a scam
7: Most annoying lag in the universe

The thing about ToS is actually that you CAN'T do it all solo; the game just pretends you can all the way up until end game, at which point you need a 5 man party to do the "real" content which is the Earth Tower.

So players hit max level with their class and then don't know what to do because the game doesn't really make you socialize up until that point.

lol no private server have never been good
>okay lets put up a healer and a buffer in the main town
>and a teleporter that lets you teleport to anywhere
>GOTY GOTY PRIVATE SERVERS BLESS SO GOOD
Wont fix the engine being shit and the core gameplay being shit

Music and clases were good in ToS

but.... better watch this

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>2: Servers were absolute shit
>7: Most annoying lag in the universe

I never experienced these poorfag/third world problems personally, but seriously.
>3: Music wasn't half as charming as RO

ToS had pretty good music, of all the things to bitch about.
>5: Not enough cute girl costumes

I'll agree here, they should have fan-serviced the fuck out of this game, and made at least half of it earnable without having it paywalled.

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I played jRO in 2015 and it was incredibly active. too bad it's renewal

they should have opened it like Ragnarok was, grind everywhere you like, more maps with same mobs and space to grind, high level monsters give a shiton of xp, no quest bullshit for xp. My main complain is this: let the player choose where he wants to go level.

>Warrior class is the absolute worst class for damage except for 2 ranks in it
How do you mess up a simple dps class that badly

POE

can jRO's new system even be called renewal? it literally hasn't got anything in common with it except the presence third jobs (even then which are changed beyond imagination)

he said mmo

They really fixed renewal with new formulas and crazy stuff sadly is the only server with those awesome formulas.

>these poorfag/third world problems
He's right though, there were rubberbanding problems for weeks after release during peak times. No idea if it got fixed because I didn't keep bother that long.

By making STR the worst stat next to SPR in the game.

IMC went fucking jewish as fuck.
And that they are incompetent as fuck didnt help.

Nexon would have done it waay better.

I'm pretty sure Swordsman class was the first designed, the games system falls apart later on because the only thing that really matters are multihits with transcended weapons and base damage.

Although they did fix swordsman in rank 8, Fencers and Doppels do really good DPS and Dragoons are a little behind that. Actually Fencer is best single target in the game if you get certain weapons but they're nigh unobtainable.

A digital haircut lasts you forever, while a real haircut from a barber lasts like a month before you have to pay again.

>make diablo 3 clone
>be korean, which means you're a fuckup and miss the most important parts of games
>make all the loot shit

I can't believe that game is still being updated to this day.

>what was EuphRO

>what went so fucking wrong?
Korean devs making a game for korean players. They cannot fucking resist putting in extra grind and p2w cash shop shit.

Nah ToS music is shit. Nothing fits the zone its it. They heard RO music and were like "Lets just throw techno into everything, RO kids like that stuff right?" I can identify every single RO song with a zone, and could never do that with ToS. Plus each RO class was far more distinct. It was a mistake to think that having 5 billion more was a better idea.

>nearly 30~60k? subscribers
>average of 12k people online at all times
>pay2win cashshop filled with cute hats and incredibly low chances of getting great shit
I'm pretty certain there's a reason they're keeping it updated.

>shit loot
>shit pvp
>shit framerate and servers
>shit progression
>shit formulas for dmg and stats
>shit matchmaking
>shit rewards like talt for clearing dungeons or GvG being a total joke.

Honestly this game needs a total makeover on what it needs to be. With still a lot of bugs and decision flaws like transcended weapons.

The only good thing about it is the cute art and the music.

pretty much this. penalties on exp when killing monsters below or above player level is incredibly bad design. also limits on aggro amount and pulling lol

Some of the songs were alright but it felt like a continuing playlist of song after song for a certain group of areas. These three were the only ones that stood out for me though.
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Maybe if you're a girl and are into cute shit. A guy isn't supposed to like this unless you're a fag.

>just want to grind
>most of the game is still running from one quest to another since it gives so much more exp
>every mob has like 4 useless drops each so it gets boring fast
And I know late game you had no choice but to grind since quests end eventually, but I couldn't be bothered to get that far. The game just wasn't that good.

Triste I think is super good and actually captures the RO spirit. Other two I hate horribly.

>1
Too many in general, the names compound it though. RO actually fucks this up later on its life when it gives like 2 steps too many to get to the last line of classes.

>2
Did not experience this but it could change from region to region. I know that Jap/Korean devs outsource heavily on servers in other regions (Fuck you Nexon).

>3
RO Music was pretty nice, I don't remember it being super great though, and ToS was fine for this I thought.

>4
Agree. The medieval/nordic combo was awesome, especially with a few eastern mythologies tossed in, the world felt bigger because of the mix instead of the uniform culture ToS has.

>5
Disagree. Stuff like this is tertiary at best and should never be a focus. Unless you mean not enough female classes looked cute, in which case I would agree, but wouldn't call it a big issue still.

>6
Agreed, and you'd be hard pressed to find a new age MMO that does not do this, and it sucks. It milks the stupid and alienates anyone with a value on their money.

>7
I feel like RO had the same type of lag when it happened? Do you mean the rubber banding?

>grind and quests
I never understood this developer meme
>okay so everyone is okay with grinding and people hitting the same mobs in an area over and over again gives a reason for people to party up
>lets add this back and forth shit that we call "quests"
>and lets make sure that they're shitty and small enough that if two players cross together and want to party, that their quest progress will be 100% different and that waiting for the other one to catch up would be a huge fucking waste of time and grinding by itself would also be shit

God bless that gooks are getting fucking taxed and shit on by goverments for these shitty MMOs

Main problem?
It's a quest corridor, while RO was an actual world.

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Shame SoundTemp wasn't as good as they were in RO.

soundTEMP was always shit when they were given free will to make the OST like they wanted to, every time they've made a good soundtrack is when they've gotten instructions and a clear path by the developers of the game itself.

I expected Ragnarok 2.0 and what I got was a WoW clone disguised as RO with p2w mechanics.

Metin2

please don't remind me of this game

Not him but
2 - Been there since iCBT2 and a month of OBT, the servers gets fucked in the ass far too often, it's not that hard to screw over a channel either, I remembered there being a way to crash it
7. ever since OBT I've had half a second latency, made my mage so damn unplayable I quitted in frustration. I would excuse RO because it was like 15 years ago, ToS isn't a game published in a 56k modem era.

Tibia

The most incompetent devs you have ever seen, completely carried by art style.

It'll reach sub 2k players within a couple months at this rate.

Path of exile, Not an mmo, more like diablo without making lobbies. but good grindy fun

the fucking spawn points being predetermined

easiest game to bot

Not being Ragnarok Online for starter

Seriously, at this point I'm only convinced the only good sequel to RO is Ragnarok Online HD Remastered™

RO pservers are RO's spiritual successors

you know this to be true

more like YOU can't replicate the feeling you've grown up nigger, you can try servers with 1k or more ppl daily, you'll get the adventures, a guild and the drama you had long ago but you don't feel the same way now about that kind of things.

Ragnarok Mobile is the true sequel to the original RO.

Why they refuse to make a proper sequel/remaster?
>Browser RO
>Chinese phone RO "remake"
>RO clicker game
>Smartphone sprite RO game

It hurts, if they just remake base Ragnarok online pre renewal i bet they would be bathing in money.

It's not fair.

Koreans having no idea of what the fuck they are doing
Going for the easiest rout every time
>"We can't fix it? Just remove it from the game"
Last thing they removed from the game was PvP all together because they couldn't fix few bugs
Now they are returning us PvP but without any rewards because "we realized they were unfair so it's better this way"

Like it or not, Ragnarok Online 2 exists. Or existed, it's been a while.

They killed it now, i think the US RO2 server is still alive, why do they keep it alive is beyond me, perhaps because warpportal bought it or something, but the original RO2 server died long ago, fuck that game.

RO2 was a really shitty WoW clone, even worse than ToS. I don't even know if still exists either.

The only good thing that came out from this game.

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it was ridiculously laggy for what it was and it wasn't fun enough to look past that

This. It's not even the first RO2, either. The first one died in dev due to testers complaining that the enemies were too hard and they couldn't optimize the tetris skill grid to min/max

I couldn't fucking stand the broken economy

why do they not allow to trade shit?

>implying they can
Gungho owns nearly all the stock

Because modern gamers have no patience for mmos like RO, why you think every private server has massively jacked up xp and drop rates?

Hell ToS gets criticism for being too grindy too.

I think they were so afraid of RMT and botters that they try to put it on premium only. The problem is that the whole population suffered and left.

Because it was not this.

The problem that it's isn't just too grindy. The problem was there was a few maps with shit loads of monster spawns in them. Everyone flooded Demon Prison 2 and Bees for that hellish grind. Maybe if they were way more maps and effiecny they wouldn't have this complaint as much.

the fucking lag and desync

not to mention the extreme class imbalance, especially in the complete joke known as the PvP mode

It will never be the same m8.